Lucas or Ness?

[paper otavio]

I have mained Ness since the dawn of Brawl's life time....

I fear, if I keep playing him as much as I do now(I play him too much), I fear my skill isn't going to change any time soon......(I just don't have any new tricks)

I use Lucas as a somewhat secondary and feel I can play him about 2/3 as good as I can play Ness and I can get his Bair and Dair to spike regularly..

And so, I would like to hear some opinions on what people suggest on my choices.

My first would be to learn new tricks to fight other Ness mains and try learning their best tricks to add a little variety to my game, and using guides to learn advance techniques.

My second would be learning to use the better Mother character(tier wise) and trying to do the same as the above while keeping Ness as a secondary character option.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

oh no...
another one.

well it depends. you like aerials and strong throws. stay ness. you like... whatever lucas has then pick lucas. it's really all up to who you feel more comfortable with. for the record, you don't stop getting better, you just get better slowly. it starts to take long and longer to get better after while.

oh and uhm lucas has a bad matchup against ness lol.

just stick with ness. lucas may be higher tier wise now, but i think he's going to drop and ness will rise.

 

[xoxokev]

lucas may be higher tier wise now, but i think he's going to drop and ness will rise.

This makes me happy but you never know... only the future will tell

EDIT: Both Ness and Lucas are high tier in my book

 

[paper otavio]

Thanks for the opinions.

 

[prOAPC]

lucas may be higher tier wise now, but i think he's going to drop and ness will rise.

i totally disagree

 

[GotenOnNimbus]

I like to fuse them together in a beautiful combination I call Nucas. Or Less. I can't decide.

Both are similar, but quite different in playstyle...You don't see many Lucases baiting for their PKT2 all the time like Ness does, but on the flip side of that (oh GOD I used a 90's-ism) Lucas's got a very spammable projectile, a more useful fsmash, and many, many recovery options. Comes down to what you like to play as more.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

i totally disagree

i don't feel like debating this lol.
i'll start with short stuff.
nobody plays lucas, we discover almost nothing, and we come close to winning 0 tournies. we're pretty much last on ankoku's list.

 

[jayboi221]

ness has a better moveset than lucas even though some of there stuff is the same

 

[Neon Ness]

Lord. Not another one. paper otavio, I thought you knew better.

 

[paper otavio]

I know, I just feel like I can't proceed anymore....

 

[Tyr_03]

Play Metaknight.

/thread

 

[lil cj]

Ness is better than Lucas by a small %
But Lucas is more fun to play,has more AT's, and has more potential IMO
Nothin against Ness mains...Ness rocks!
So if u want a fun character then play Lucas
Or play a top tier...MK, Snake, G&W, and Dedede are good choices if u wanna win tournies.

 

[ZMan]

Play Metaknight.

/thread

WINNAR!

Lucas nor Ness are going up unless the SBR gets smarter memebrs or either gets higher rankings in big tournies.

 

[Ref]

Ninten.... In all truthfulness this topics don't go much of anywhere. They are also repeated a lot...

 

[Dxt XXII]

Do Lucas and Ness even have representatives in the SBR?

 

[ZMan]

Hell naw. Hell, I don't even think most people in the Broom have even played a decent Lucas or Ness. When the time comes I shall apply for a broom admission though.

 

[Tyr_03]

You don't have the rep to get into the back room.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

isn't NL in the Broom?
he's dabbled with lucas.
idk and idrc.
what is this thresd even about?

 

[Turbo Ether]

What the hell? If you MUST play one, stick with Ness. Lucas is just flat-out worse, bottom-tierish tbqh.

 

[GanonFreak]

Ness has better combos if you start with a Psi fire.Afterwards everythings up to you.

 

[Levitas]

What the hell? If you MUST play one, stick with Ness. Lucas is just flat-out worse, bottom-tierish tbqh.

interesting. Despite superior spacing tools and a better recovery, he's the garbage one.

Ness is pretty bad, too.

Ness has better combos if you start with a Psi fire.Afterwards everythings up to you.

Any combo that starts with pk fire ends with the opponent SDIing out of the flame and doing bad stuff to you. Especially if you're playing against a marth.

 

[Trophyhunter]

I feel Lucas while Low Tier, is much stronger then Ness. Because compared to Melee's Ness, Brawl's Ness is highly nerfed. But, meh I prefer Lucas becuase he's more agile and has better range attacks.

 

[The_Prince]

OR you could keep playing with both... its not like you can only main one character.

 

[Neon Ness]

Because compared to Melee's Ness, Brawl's Ness is highly nerfed.

Who what where when why!?

I feel, like... the complete opposite... I must be doing it rawng.

In Brawl, PKT2 kills earlier, Ness can double jump while using down air so he doesn't have to kill himself using it, PK Fire does a better job of trapping opponents initially, the Yo-Yo is no longer garbage and is just all around better (besides the lack of dropped hitbox shenanigans...), Fair spaces more effectively...

Sorry, but I think Brawl Ness actually got betta. Though I admit that his Melee dash attack was better in its strange trajectory.

 

[PKNintendo]

I feel Lucas while Low Tier, is much stronger then Ness. Because compared to Melee's Ness, Brawl's Ness is highly nerfed. But, meh I prefer Lucas becuase he's more agile and has better range attacks.

AHAHAHAHA!!!

LOL!

Sorry but Melee Ness sucked. Badly.

 

[ParanoidDrone]

On Ness vs. Lucas, I think it comes down to Ness = offense, grabs, Lucas = defense, recovery. Or is that oversimplifying it?

 

[Neon Ness]

On Ness vs. Lucas, I think it comes down to Ness = offense, grabs, Lucas = defense, recovery. Or is that oversimplifying it?

...Probably. But I can't say that's completely wrong, either...

 

[Levitas]

AHAHAHAHA!!!

LOL!

Sorry but Melee Ness sucked. Badly.

At least he had 0-deaths on both space animals. That's always nice.

 

[PKNintendo]

At least he had 0-deaths on both space animals. That's always nice.

Those were sexy.

What was the matchup vs them anywho?

 

[Zeallyx]

this thread is brought wrong..

topic title should be:
Omelets or fried chicken?

 

[Levitas]

Those were sexy.

What was the matchup vs them anywho?

The matchups were the following:

Simna: wins for some reason. Places well at EVO

Mofa: wins and does it in a really sexy manner.

Mow: ***** everything. fact.

....

Angry lobster: has a pretty good chance of winning.

Ademisk: *****es about the shine gimp

Thesage: loses to some scrubby jiggs for some reason, so I'm guessing not great.

Me: Apparently I don't care what the matchup is. I get 9th at pretty much every melee tournament I go to regardless of who I use, who the opponents use, how many entrants there are, it's really weird.


That's the Fox/Falco vs Ness matchup in melee.

 

[PKNintendo]

The matchups were the following:

Simna: wins for some reason. Places well at EVO

Mofa: wins and does it in a really sexy manner.

Mow: ***** everything. fact.

....

Angry lobster: has a pretty good chance of winning.

Ademisk: *****es about the shine gimp

Thesage: loses to some scrubby jiggs for some reason, so I'm guessing not great.

Me: Apparently I don't care what the matchup is. I get 9th at pretty much every melee tournament I go to regardless of who I use, who the opponents use, how many entrants there are, it's really weird.


That's the Fox/Falco vs Ness matchup in melee.

So it's a 45-56, but can swing to 4-6 for the spacies depending on level? Thanks.

 

[Levitas]

Honestly, I think it's a 50-50 if they don't know the matchup, and a 65-35 for them if they do.

I've beaten a falco that's better than me on DL64 simply because he didn't know what to do about my DJC spacing mixups.

 

[Clausking52]

like its been said before, it all depends on how you play. personally i play them both because Lucas is a lot more agile than Ness but Ness is obviously more powerful. But if you had to pick one i would go with Lucas just because of better defensive game and recovery. Also he's fun to play as. Oh lawd this is going to start a war i know it. Just imagine what would happen if they put Ninten in Brawl.

 

[arfer]

Ninten in brawl? Ninten and Ness look too similar, in my mind Ness essentially IS Ninten.

Lucas is fun to play as, but really Ness better suits my playing style.

 

[Neon Ness]

Someone pleeeaaase make Levi a moderator so he can destroy threads like these.

Sigh.