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Yes, you can cancel it like normal, but the problem with it is that it stops you from using down tilt out of double team sometimes.Do the cancels out of it work like a normal tilt?
I agree wholeheartedly, but what about one similar to Snake's crawl tilt?It has a hitbox with weight dependent knockback which is nice, but it's so slow and punishable that it's just better to down tilt or do something else in almost every case. I'd rather have a crawl attack that does minimal damage but slides and takes you behind the opponent tbh, kinda like samus'. That would be much more useful.
Maybe a petition to improve it so it can be followed up more easily?Would anybody be interested in forming a petition to PMBR to have crawl tilt removed from lucario in 3.6's release?
Sir, you may be correct when lucario is stationary, but when you are moving you could not be further from the truth.Honestly, I think it's not hard to do dtilt/ctilt from DTC at will, just learn how to be more precise with your control stick, really. Now, into the move itself, how about the kick from vBrawl's Double Team? A sliding Ryu's Crouching Medium kick? It is one of his staple moves, afterall, and since Lucario already resembles Ryu so much, it would fit him.
I don't think PMBR would consider even a small buff to lucario considering all the nerfs they gave to him.Maybe a petition to improve it so it can be followed up more easily?
Well, you really beat me there, I didn't consider B reverses and now that you point it out it's very true. While it's still doable, it's so hard to be consistent with it that it's just not a proportional reward for all the actual practice we need to be able to pull it off all the time.Sir, you may be correct when lucario is stationary, but when you are moving you could not be further from the truth.
Take this instance for example. You are facing away from your enemy and they just messed up with say a missed grab or L-cancel. This is the perfect opportunity to down b down tilt cancel and set up a combo. However, in order to down b into your opponent you must reverse down b. This is done by having the control stick pointed about ~20 degree's toward your opponent from the vertical. However, as soon as you down b reversed while having your control stick in the proper place for it to be reversed, you are now forced into performing a crawl tilt because the control stick is in the position for a crawl tilt.
I mean, yeah, you could technically quickly change the control stick down, and i have tried doing this, and i could not do this even in 2/3 speed. But this is definitely hard and simply adds frustration to playing lucario. You know what you want to do, and even tried to execute it; but because you were a few degree's off on your analog stick, you wiff into a crawl tilt and get punished or miss your combo.
Maybe not but, we could have a situation like lucas where they nerfed him but then realized something was unnecessarily bad. A lucario main can hope right?I don't think PMBR would consider even a small buff to lucario considering all the nerfs they gave to him.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Lucario has indeed been prone to constant nerfing ever since his inception. He's also gotten his fair share of buffs. However after these huge, though warranted nerfs to his recovery, aura cancels, and aura gain, they finally might go about touching up his kit little by little. I personally think they will at this point because Lucario's tools are less toxic, and his recovery requires more creativity now.I don't think PMBR would consider even a small buff to lucario considering all the nerfs they gave to him.
I agree that I "Got too ahead of myself" but i honestly don't foresee any significant buffs to lucario in the near future. It is entirely possible that they may "touch up his kit". However, I disagree with your point that his recovery requires more creativity.Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Lucario has indeed been prone to constant nerfing ever since his inception. He's also gotten his fair share of buffs. However after these huge, though warranted nerfs to his recovery, aura cancels, and aura gain, they finally might go about touching up his kit little by little. I personally think they will at this point because Lucario's tools are less toxic, and his recovery requires more creativity now.
Fair point about the recovery. I agree with your take on it. In regards to the part about any significant buffs, I do agree with that as well. I honestly can't see many more significant changes to him as a whole.I agree that I "Got too ahead of myself" but i honestly don't foresee any significant buffs to lucario in the near future. It is entirely possible that they may "touch up his kit". However, I disagree with your point that his recovery requires more creativity.
Having more options lets you be more creative with your recovery. Yes, air-dodge out of up B was extremely powerful, but it wasn't free. 1 aura charge is a significant cost. Essentially, lucario's recovery is less creative at this point because you have the exact same options in 3.5 baring the air dodge option. Note that this is different with lucas's case because in that case, air dodge into grab was almost always the superior option. In lucario's case, it was never ideal to use an air dodge out of up b, because recovering so would limit your aggressive options back on stage. I always used it as a last resort.
As for the current topic on hand, something that I would like to see with crawl tilt (Other then having it removed, which I would prefer) is to have lucario keep his forward momentum so that you can slide forward like a canceled down tilt with crawl tilt. This will give it the range it needs to act as a viable punish option; (even though it is pretty slow).