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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V9WSbldn7Q
Note: At this time I am unsure of this is actually a Boost Item Toss, I say this becausedepending what direction you press on the C-stick changes how far you slide! it doesn't, but some directions are easier. Does that make this an Dash Attack Cancel Item Toss? (DACIT)
This allows for (more) sliding smashes, specials and tilts!
I know there is an In Depth Glide Tossing thread, so how about Boost Item Tossing? Something that is there just like glide tossing, but possibly better? *Look at Ike's glide toss, then DACIT. Glide toss = no distance | DACIT = ALL OF FD*
~Thanks to Bobsmith006 for discovering Bombsliding by himself last night, and testing other characters thinking it was new. ~
For those who do not know what a Boost Item Toss is, you must not main Link.
Things to Know First:
Boost Item Toss:
How to Perform:
Get a hold of an item.
Perform a DAC (Timings Vary, from my testing YOU MUST USE C-STICK TO DO THIS)
DAC
Short for "Dash Attack Cancel"
(Note: Some people (Sheik mains mostly ) call this DACUS, short for DAC Up Smash)
How to Perform:
Do a dash attack
Do an up smash (almost at the same time, so immediatly after)
(Don't understand? Search youtube, search smashboards :| not that hard to find multiple videos/links)
Toss Lengths ~Where it gets In Depth
Testing is currently being done for every character, regardless if they spawn their own items. (They can always steal Diddy's!)
Lengths: Measured by rough Final Destination length estimates.
As soon as: The soonest you can DACIT starting from one side of FD (before arrows/first arrow/second arrow)
Possible Throws: What directions can you throw in?
Additional Information: Anything else we need to know?
Ike, Wolf, Fox, Link, Toon Link, Game and Watch, Luigi, Yoshi, and Meta Knight all have good/useful DACIT. Everyone else sucks
Having problems throwing Forward?
Solution:
To get the forward throw every time all you have to do is diagonal up/forward on your control stick instead of up.
Havins problems throwing Backward?
Solution:
To get the backward throw every time all you have to do is hold diagnol up/back on your control stick instead of up.
Note: All characters can do every throw, but some are much harder then others to get maximum distance, or a notable distance.
IKE Who say's Ike is Slow? (VIDEO CLICK HERE)
Lengths:
3/4th's of Final Destination
+ Counter - Entire FD
Possible Throws:
Up (so far thats all I can get)
Forward (same distance as Up + small "jump cancel" distance. (I'm doing this with Tap Jump OFF btw)
Additional Information:
Counter gives a strange boost. Forward is hard to get, but totally worth it.
DACIT > Glide Toss
MARTH
Lengths:
Barely anything, forward and back seem to negate some throw lag, allowing tipped fsmash to be easily guarenteed.
Possible Throws:
Up (laggy throw)
Forward (Similiar to Toon Link)
Back (Similiar to Toon Link)
Additional Information:
Forward throw of a Banana can lead to Tipped Fsmash because it has less lag then a dash toss.
However overall....
Glide Toss > DACIT
MARIO
Lengths:
1/16th of Final Destination (barely anything, but notable)
Possible Throws:
Up, Back
Additional Information:
Goes from Second Arrow to First Point of that Center FD Diamond Thing
No moves extend slide
Only useful for going into a Jab it seems like.
However....
DACIT > Glide Toss
LUIGI (WEEGEE)
Lengths:
To opposite "point" of that Center FD Diamond Thing (3/4th's of FD roughly)
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Up Throw is the easiest and has the best slide
Back Throw is the second hardest and has the second best slide
Down Throw is the third hardest and has the worst slide
Forward Throw is near impossible haven't done it enough to tell the slide
All attacks except for his fireball and d-smash stop him immediately. He slides slightly instead of stopping with fireballs. He slides the full slide length with the d-smash
DACIT > Glide Toss
PEACH
Lengths:
She immediately stops in place. No Distance.
Possible Throws:
Up, Down, Back (Back being hardest)
Additional Information:
None
Glide Toss > DACIT
BOWSER
Lengths:
Nothing notable at all.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible.
Glide Toss = DACIT
DONKEY KONG
Lengths:
Nothing notable at all.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible DACIT.
Glide Toss > DACIT
DIDDY KONG
Lengths:
Near the same as Glide Toss, except Up which stops you completely. (like 1 step)
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Fthrow/Bthrow/Dthrow go about the same length as his Glide Toss, with harder input.
Glide Toss > DACIT
YOSHI
Lengths:
Up Throw: From First Arrow to Opposite Point of that Diamond FD Center thing.
Forward Throw: First Arrow to Center of FD
Down Throw: No Distance
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Yoshi's Glide Toss Anyone?
DACIT > Glide Toss (Yoshi can't Glide Toss)
WARIO
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
It sucks
Glide Toss > DACIT
LINK
Lengths:
First Arrow to First Point of Diamond Center FD Thingie.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
His DACIT (Bombslide) is very useful when used correctly, easy to time, but can blow him up if he uses down.
DACIT > Glide Toss
ZELDA
Lengths:
First Arrow to Second Arrow Same Side
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Useless
Glide Toss > DACIT
:shiek: SHIEK
Lengths:
Nothing notable at all.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Her DACIT sucks in every direction
Well.. this is funny.. both GT and DACIT are just as useless as eachother
Glide Toss = DACIT
GANON
Lengths:
No Notable Distance
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Completely Useless, at least Glide Toss gives some distance...
Glide Toss > DACIT
TOON LINK
Lengths:
Nothing notable, bthrow and fthrow gives some sliding.
Possible Throws:
Forward
Up
Down
Back
Additional Information:
Forward requires you to DAC and press Forward quickly. It helps more to press Forward on the C-stick.
Back requires you to DAC and press Back Quickly. It helps to press Forward on the C-stick
Down blows you up
Up has no notable distance
DACIT (forward and back) > Glide Toss
FALCON
Lengths:
1/16th with Down Throw
Nothing with Uthrow
Hard to take note of Fthrow/Bthrow
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Down Throw gives a possibly useful slide, but its hard. (Think Diddy Kong Glide Toss Length)
Forward/Back throw must use Forward/Back on the C-stick, Forward throw of a Banana can lead to Fsmash because it has less lag then a dash toss.
DACIT > Glide Toss
SAMUS
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible.
Glide Toss > DACIT
ZAMUS
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible.
Glide Toss > DACIT
PIT
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible.
Glide Toss > DACIT
ICE CLIMBERS
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
It desynchs them. ... but so does Glide Toss (Nana faces wrong way at first in the Glide Toss though)
Glide Toss > DACIT
R.O.B
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
It makes a funny looking taunt.
Glide Toss > DACIT
KIRBY
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
No lag + very slight slide for forward throw. Better then glide tossing/dash tossing it.
DACIT > Glide Toss
METAKNIGHT
Lengths:
Uthrow = Uthrow glide toss length (forward)
Forward = Somewhat useful, decent slide.
Down = Almost like a Diddy Kong Glide Toss down.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Glide toss is a bit better, and easier to do.
Glide Toss > DACIT
KING DEDEDE
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Both suck, which sucks.
Glide Toss = DACIT
OLIMAR
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Both suck but Forward is somewhat useful.
Glide Toss = DACIT
FOX
Lengths:
Up Throw - First Arrow to Center of FD
Forward Throw - First Arrow to Center of FD
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
You have to do this at like.. Sheik DACUS speed O_O
DACIT > Glide Toss
FALCO
Lengths:
Forward/UP - Diddy Kong Glide Toss Distance
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Glide toss is better, DACIT is like a super mini Glide Toss for him. (Diddy Kong Distance)
Glide Toss > DACIT
WOLF
Lengths:
Fthrow - First Arrow to Further "Point" of Diamond Center of FD Thingie
Uthrow - First Arrow to Further "Point" of Diamond Center of FD Thingie
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Spacies like DACIT a bit.
He can DACIT with Banana > Hit Diddy > Dsmash. Before Diddy grabs the edge.
He can DACIT > Fsmash, and end right in front of the banana.
Wolf is broken with a banana.
DACIT > Glide Toss
PIKACHU
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Sheik DACUS fast... for nothing : |
Glide Toss > DACIT
SQUIRTLE
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Useless
Hydro Tossing > Glide Tossing > DACIT
IVYSAUR
Lengths:
Same as her Glide Tosses, decent but not good.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Glide Toss = DACIT
CHARIZARD
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
DACIT > Glide Toss
LUCARIO
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
DACIT sucks for him T_T
Glide Toss = DACIT
JIGGLYPUFF
Lengths:
No Distance, at all
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Better then Glide tossing because it looks funny and makes a good taunt.
DACIT > Glide Tossing
NESS
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Forward is somewhat useful.
DACIT > Glide Toss
LUCAS
Lengths:
Fthrow - "Diddy Kong Glide Toss Length"
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Forward is somewhat useful, Uthrow pretty much stops you...
DACIT > Glide Toss
Game & Watch
Lengths:
Fthrow - Slides Nothing, or Slides Glide Toss Length
Uthrow - Slides Nothing, or Slides about Glide Toss Length
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
His DACIT allows you to throw the banana further, and slide the same distance as a Glide Toss. Therefore....
Glide Toss = DACIT
SNAKE
Lengths:
Barely anything, not notable.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Forward is useful, thats it.
DACIT > Glide Toss
SONIC
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Glide toss ***** DACIT
Glide Toss > DACIT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V9WSbldn7Q
Note: At this time I am unsure of this is actually a Boost Item Toss, I say this because
This allows for (more) sliding smashes, specials and tilts!
I know there is an In Depth Glide Tossing thread, so how about Boost Item Tossing? Something that is there just like glide tossing, but possibly better? *Look at Ike's glide toss, then DACIT. Glide toss = no distance | DACIT = ALL OF FD*
~Thanks to Bobsmith006 for discovering Bombsliding by himself last night, and testing other characters thinking it was new. ~
For those who do not know what a Boost Item Toss is, you must not main Link.
Things to Know First:
Boost Item Toss:
How to Perform:
Get a hold of an item.
Perform a DAC (Timings Vary, from my testing YOU MUST USE C-STICK TO DO THIS)
DAC
Short for "Dash Attack Cancel"
(Note: Some people (Sheik mains mostly ) call this DACUS, short for DAC Up Smash)
How to Perform:
Do a dash attack
Do an up smash (almost at the same time, so immediatly after)
(Don't understand? Search youtube, search smashboards :| not that hard to find multiple videos/links)
Toss Lengths ~Where it gets In Depth
Testing is currently being done for every character, regardless if they spawn their own items. (They can always steal Diddy's!)
Lengths: Measured by rough Final Destination length estimates.
As soon as: The soonest you can DACIT starting from one side of FD (before arrows/first arrow/second arrow)
Possible Throws: What directions can you throw in?
Additional Information: Anything else we need to know?
Ike, Wolf, Fox, Link, Toon Link, Game and Watch, Luigi, Yoshi, and Meta Knight all have good/useful DACIT. Everyone else sucks
Having problems throwing Forward?
Solution:
To get the forward throw every time all you have to do is diagonal up/forward on your control stick instead of up.
Havins problems throwing Backward?
Solution:
To get the backward throw every time all you have to do is hold diagnol up/back on your control stick instead of up.
Note: All characters can do every throw, but some are much harder then others to get maximum distance, or a notable distance.
IKE Who say's Ike is Slow? (VIDEO CLICK HERE)
Lengths:
3/4th's of Final Destination
+ Counter - Entire FD
Possible Throws:
Up (so far thats all I can get)
Forward (same distance as Up + small "jump cancel" distance. (I'm doing this with Tap Jump OFF btw)
Additional Information:
Counter gives a strange boost. Forward is hard to get, but totally worth it.
DACIT > Glide Toss
MARTH
Lengths:
Barely anything, forward and back seem to negate some throw lag, allowing tipped fsmash to be easily guarenteed.
Possible Throws:
Up (laggy throw)
Forward (Similiar to Toon Link)
Back (Similiar to Toon Link)
Additional Information:
Forward throw of a Banana can lead to Tipped Fsmash because it has less lag then a dash toss.
However overall....
Glide Toss > DACIT
MARIO
Lengths:
1/16th of Final Destination (barely anything, but notable)
Possible Throws:
Up, Back
Additional Information:
Goes from Second Arrow to First Point of that Center FD Diamond Thing
No moves extend slide
Only useful for going into a Jab it seems like.
However....
DACIT > Glide Toss
LUIGI (WEEGEE)
Lengths:
To opposite "point" of that Center FD Diamond Thing (3/4th's of FD roughly)
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Up Throw is the easiest and has the best slide
Back Throw is the second hardest and has the second best slide
Down Throw is the third hardest and has the worst slide
Forward Throw is near impossible haven't done it enough to tell the slide
All attacks except for his fireball and d-smash stop him immediately. He slides slightly instead of stopping with fireballs. He slides the full slide length with the d-smash
DACIT > Glide Toss
PEACH
Lengths:
She immediately stops in place. No Distance.
Possible Throws:
Up, Down, Back (Back being hardest)
Additional Information:
None
Glide Toss > DACIT
BOWSER
Lengths:
Nothing notable at all.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible.
Glide Toss = DACIT
DONKEY KONG
Lengths:
Nothing notable at all.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible DACIT.
Glide Toss > DACIT
DIDDY KONG
Lengths:
Near the same as Glide Toss, except Up which stops you completely. (like 1 step)
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Fthrow/Bthrow/Dthrow go about the same length as his Glide Toss, with harder input.
Glide Toss > DACIT
YOSHI
Lengths:
Up Throw: From First Arrow to Opposite Point of that Diamond FD Center thing.
Forward Throw: First Arrow to Center of FD
Down Throw: No Distance
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Yoshi's Glide Toss Anyone?
DACIT > Glide Toss (Yoshi can't Glide Toss)
WARIO
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
It sucks
Glide Toss > DACIT
LINK
Lengths:
First Arrow to First Point of Diamond Center FD Thingie.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
His DACIT (Bombslide) is very useful when used correctly, easy to time, but can blow him up if he uses down.
DACIT > Glide Toss
ZELDA
Lengths:
First Arrow to Second Arrow Same Side
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Useless
Glide Toss > DACIT
:shiek: SHIEK
Lengths:
Nothing notable at all.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Her DACIT sucks in every direction
Well.. this is funny.. both GT and DACIT are just as useless as eachother
Glide Toss = DACIT
GANON
Lengths:
No Notable Distance
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Completely Useless, at least Glide Toss gives some distance...
Glide Toss > DACIT
TOON LINK
Lengths:
Nothing notable, bthrow and fthrow gives some sliding.
Possible Throws:
Forward
Up
Down
Back
Additional Information:
Forward requires you to DAC and press Forward quickly. It helps more to press Forward on the C-stick.
Back requires you to DAC and press Back Quickly. It helps to press Forward on the C-stick
Down blows you up
Up has no notable distance
DACIT (forward and back) > Glide Toss
FALCON
Lengths:
1/16th with Down Throw
Nothing with Uthrow
Hard to take note of Fthrow/Bthrow
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Down Throw gives a possibly useful slide, but its hard. (Think Diddy Kong Glide Toss Length)
Forward/Back throw must use Forward/Back on the C-stick, Forward throw of a Banana can lead to Fsmash because it has less lag then a dash toss.
DACIT > Glide Toss
SAMUS
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible.
Glide Toss > DACIT
ZAMUS
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible.
Glide Toss > DACIT
PIT
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Horrible.
Glide Toss > DACIT
ICE CLIMBERS
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
It desynchs them. ... but so does Glide Toss (Nana faces wrong way at first in the Glide Toss though)
Glide Toss > DACIT
R.O.B
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
It makes a funny looking taunt.
Glide Toss > DACIT
KIRBY
Lengths:
Nothing notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
No lag + very slight slide for forward throw. Better then glide tossing/dash tossing it.
DACIT > Glide Toss
METAKNIGHT
Lengths:
Uthrow = Uthrow glide toss length (forward)
Forward = Somewhat useful, decent slide.
Down = Almost like a Diddy Kong Glide Toss down.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Glide toss is a bit better, and easier to do.
Glide Toss > DACIT
KING DEDEDE
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Both suck, which sucks.
Glide Toss = DACIT
OLIMAR
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Both suck but Forward is somewhat useful.
Glide Toss = DACIT
FOX
Lengths:
Up Throw - First Arrow to Center of FD
Forward Throw - First Arrow to Center of FD
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
You have to do this at like.. Sheik DACUS speed O_O
DACIT > Glide Toss
FALCO
Lengths:
Forward/UP - Diddy Kong Glide Toss Distance
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Glide toss is better, DACIT is like a super mini Glide Toss for him. (Diddy Kong Distance)
Glide Toss > DACIT
WOLF
Lengths:
Fthrow - First Arrow to Further "Point" of Diamond Center of FD Thingie
Uthrow - First Arrow to Further "Point" of Diamond Center of FD Thingie
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Spacies like DACIT a bit.
He can DACIT with Banana > Hit Diddy > Dsmash. Before Diddy grabs the edge.
He can DACIT > Fsmash, and end right in front of the banana.
Wolf is broken with a banana.
DACIT > Glide Toss
PIKACHU
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Sheik DACUS fast... for nothing : |
Glide Toss > DACIT
SQUIRTLE
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Useless
Hydro Tossing > Glide Tossing > DACIT
IVYSAUR
Lengths:
Same as her Glide Tosses, decent but not good.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Glide Toss = DACIT
CHARIZARD
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
DACIT > Glide Toss
LUCARIO
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
DACIT sucks for him T_T
Glide Toss = DACIT
JIGGLYPUFF
Lengths:
No Distance, at all
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Better then Glide tossing because it looks funny and makes a good taunt.
DACIT > Glide Tossing
NESS
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Forward is somewhat useful.
DACIT > Glide Toss
LUCAS
Lengths:
Fthrow - "Diddy Kong Glide Toss Length"
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Forward is somewhat useful, Uthrow pretty much stops you...
DACIT > Glide Toss
Game & Watch
Lengths:
Fthrow - Slides Nothing, or Slides Glide Toss Length
Uthrow - Slides Nothing, or Slides about Glide Toss Length
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
His DACIT allows you to throw the banana further, and slide the same distance as a Glide Toss. Therefore....
Glide Toss = DACIT
SNAKE
Lengths:
Barely anything, not notable.
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Forward is useful, thats it.
DACIT > Glide Toss
SONIC
Lengths:
Nothing Notable
Possible Throws:
All
Additional Information:
Glide toss ***** DACIT
Glide Toss > DACIT