Has anyone found new ATs yet?

[Wander]

Other than all the gameplay tweaks and new combo possibilities thanks to altered physics, have there been any B+ advanced techs created yet, character-specific or otherwise? All I'm seeing here is talk about texture hacks and Melee character revivals, but hardly any talk about actually using B+ competitively outside of the Competitive Codes thread. Anything?

 

[dabridge]

I discovered something the other day: Fair, fair, and dair in the ledge with Marth -- I call it a Ken combo. xD

But seriously... I haven't really found any AT's except for the few that survived from vBrawl.

 

[Almas]

Tornado Cancelling with Metaknight is being discussed in another thread. Now, if you ledge-cancel the tornado's lag, it seems to maintain a hitbox while you float to the ground. Considering the move now also has increased lag, it seems a very useful AT.

The Crawldashes of many characters have become more useful and significant due to dash cancelling, I believe.

Certain characters have somewhat effective ledgestalls that weren't so good before. For example, Lucario can ledgehop->dair->regrab to keep the ledge guarded fairly effectively, which is a far more useful technique now.

It could be argued that Resetting is a more useful AT to use due to Jablocks being removed, but that's iffy.

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

Tornado Cancelling with Metaknight is being discussed in another thread. Now, if you ledge-cancel the tornado's lag, it seems to maintain a hitbox while you float to the ground. Considering the move now also has increased lag, it seems a very useful AT.

Tornado Canceling CAN'T be useful. It's so, oh so situational. You probably won't even think of doing it when you need it, and it's a bit hard to do/set up. I kind of explained it, but where is the thread with TC in it?

 

[Dark Sonic]

Tornado Canceling CAN'T be useful. It's so, oh so situational. You probably won't even think of doing it when you need it, and it's a bit hard to do/set up. I kind of explained it, but where is the thread with TC in it?

Well...since the vast majority of platforms have stages, it should have SOME use <_<. Sliding off the edge of a platform on a fast moving move isn't as hard to use in matches as you think.

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

Well...since the vast majority of platforms have stages, it should have SOME use <_<. Sliding off the edge of a platform on a fast moving move isn't as hard to use in matches as you think.

It's not that simple; the timing has to be PERFECT, frame wise. I did it myself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqFUGE67ZuU&fmt=18

You have to do it RIGHT on the end of the platform in the middle of the nado, at the end of the nado animation, and it's really hard to time right.

 

[cman]

hardly any talk about actually using B+ competitively outside of the Competitive Codes thread. Anything?

That's where competitive discussion should take place... so what's the problem? There are like 10k posts or something in that thread.

 

[Deleted member]

These forums aren't exclusively for Brawl+, Wander, so there's going to be a lot of talk that's not about this topic.

 

[Nybb]

Well...since the vast majority of platforms have stages, it should have SOME use <_<. Sliding off the edge of a platform on a fast moving move isn't as hard to use in matches as you think.

You might even say that every platform has a stage.

They are going to add in DJC for Ness in the next Nightly Build. Hopefully for Yoshi in the future also.

But basically, B+ isn't likely to "create" any groundbreaking techniques unless they are put in on purpose. Most of the changes have been damage / knockback / framespeed changes to individual moves, and these types of changes don't really lend themselves to creating new ATs.

Although purposefully inserting new ATs has been an idea that has been tossed around before.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know anything about vBrawl ATs but I've noticed that if I hit my c-stick and my d-stick in opposite directions almost simultaneously (the d-stick a frame or 2 first) you can move in that direction and do a smash attack the other way.

I don't know what stutter-stepping is, but maybe this is it - I just thought because of the dash-dancing in Brawl+ that this was Brawl+ exclusive.

Try it; it's equivalent to wavedashing backwards to better space your smashes. (hit the joystick to the right and the c-stick to the left and you should do a f-smash to the left, yet you just moved some)

 

[Sph34r]

I don't know what stutter-stepping is, but maybe this is it

Yeah, it's stutter stepping.

 

[Deleted member]

Shows how much I cared about Brawl ATs >_>

 

[Sph34r]

Shows how much I cared about Brawl ATs >_>

Go back to Melee son.