Guaranteed (??) KO setup at 110% and up

[LanceStern]

So I'll be brief

Starting at around 110% you can short hop Fair and toss a bell.

The stun from the fair is REALLY hard to avoid. Almost guaranteed you hit the bell. Then you can fsmash them or up smash them however you want.

Shiek and other characters land on the ground. If they don't tech, the bell will stun them on the floor. Kinda hard to time it but you can running pivot upsmash them for the low % KO if a fsmash is not viable

I've been using it on for glory and at tournament friendlies. It is legit.

About the only downside is you have to be a little unsafe with spacing (i.e. next to the opponent when they are at 110% or above).

Here are some low quality video references: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmXVMwKKzlQ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygrgy0nLtKc

Try it out, get easier KOs

 

[Nu~]

Kinda late dude lol
http://youtu.be/_OUh_IwA0bc

But nice find regardless! I swear we think of the same things sometimes lol

Edit: Your video did come before mine tho

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Tested this one out and it's not bad... But why not replace the Bell with the Key?

You'd have less gambling for a kill using somewhat laggy smashes when you could throw a key for a KO instead.

 

[Nu~]

Tested this one out and it's not bad. However, why not replace the Bell with a Key? Less gambling for a kill with using the smashes since you can just fling a hard-hitting key to victory.

The smashes hit harder and they are guaranteed. The stun last long enough for every smash attack to land.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

The smashes hit harder and they are guaranteed. The stun last long enough for every smash attack to land.

Hoo, I see.

Possibly we could keep the Key-method for higher percents where trying to land next to the opponent via SH-Fair gets hard due knockback growth? I wanna still fiddle with that method if there's nice way to make it compliment use of the Bell in this kill setup.

EDIT: The SH-Fair -> Bell works until 145%. If you replace Bell with the Key at this point, it's quaranteed KO for next percents. Key has to be throw less "instantly" from 150% onwards. (Or you could just go for other ways to kill)

EDIT 2: Is Key good for catching tech rolls?

 

[Nu~]

The key is excellent for catching tech rolls actually

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

The key is excellent for catching tech rolls actually

Ah, nice! I guess this could make this set-up with the Key kinda difficult to avoid, right?

 

[Splebel]

Kinda late dude lol
http://youtu.be/_OUh_IwA0bc

But nice find regardless! I swear we think of the same things sometimes lol

Edit: Your video did come before mine tho

Man Pac-man's Up taunt on the Wii U version has some weird sprites in it.

 

[Nu~]

Btw, I'm glad that there are still Pac-Man mains labbing for more reliable KO options (Adding more to the many that we have) instead of sitting back and whining about how we have none.

Semi rant

 

[BSP]

The smashes hit harder and they are guaranteed. The stun last long enough for every smash attack to land.

Not only this, but Keys don't get rage boosts.

 

[dragontamer]

Stutter-step FSmash people. Its important tech that PacMan definitely benefits in almost every situation with the Bell.

USmash is inconsistent. Stutter Step FSmash on the other hand is very consistent. Takes a bit of practice though.

 

[Splebel]

Not only this, but Keys don't get rage boosts.

Could you imagine if it was Rage boosted? Although too be fair, it doesn't suffer from stale moves either.

 

[BSP]

Could you imagine if it was Rage boosted? Although too be fair, it doesn't suffer from stale moves either.

It would help our KO power a good bit. Other than that, I don't think too much would change other than optimal galaxian combo %'s changing slightly. In the end I'd rather the KO power, but w/e devs.

 

[PEPESPAIN]

What's Stutter-step FSmash?

 

[Nu~]

What's Stutter-step FSmash?

http://youtu.be/j5PPYTjTQro

 

[PEPESPAIN]

http://youtu.be/j5PPYTjTQro

Ok, I didn't know the name but I know the AT thanks @ Nu~

 

[dragontamer]

Ok, I didn't know the name but I know the AT thanks @ Nu~

You can also perform a Stutter-Step FSmash off of a foxtrot.

The typical bell distance is Foxtrot -> FSmash btw. You can foxtrot all the way to the edge and then "choose" to do a FSmash or Dash Attack... as long as you are fox trotting, you have (one) more option.

Its probably best to practice foxtrots into our various options (USmash, Trampoline, Dash Attack, Grab, FSmash, Fruit, and Hydrant)

 

[QUBiX]

Not only this, but Keys don't get rage boosts.

Is they key the only one, or all bonus fruit don't get rage boosts?

 

[PEPESPAIN]

Bonus fruits don't get rage boosts, all of them

 

[QUBiX]

Has anyone gone through and tested the KO%'s of 'Bonus Fruit' for the different weight classes? I'm out of town and away from my copy of sm4sh or else I'd go and do it myself. It would be nice to test the top/bottom character of each weight class so we can have a nice range of kill percentages for 'Bonus Fruit.' Unless someone has the time/patience to test every individual character

http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Weight

 

[LanceStern]

Qubix, we should

 

[PEPESPAIN]

I went to the Lab with this. Lightweight characters around 108% and heavyweight characters 135%. I only tested when fair lauch the enemy on a position to true combo with a key. I will recommend to try the fair to key combo around 113% on lightweight and 140% on heavyweight because @ the exact % is really hard to pull off

 

[QUBiX]

Awesome. Thanks PEPESPAIN ! I'm still out of town.. could you post the kill percents for middleweight please?

 

[PEPESPAIN]

Awesome. Thanks PEPESPAIN ! I'm still out of town.. could you post the kill percents for middleweight please?

117% Mario , I hope that helps