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Yh I guess they would be less exciting each time. But if they are unique they shouldn't be counted as boring. Cloud is much less exciting than Ryu for me, despite the leak, due to him taking some moves from Ike/Robin/Link/Shulk...
As long as the third party in question is a big name I don't really think it matters about the relationships. Again Ryu is from an upcoming PS4 title but yet he got in the game. Snake is the first third party in Smash and people still want him back even with the Konami/Kojima debacle. Cloud, Final Fantasy like MegaMan the first few games were all on Nintendo systems. Square always had association with Nintendo whether big or small they were always there. The whole relationship rule is really starting to get invalid by the second, I don't think Nintendo really care about who they are close to or not close to. Sakurai has stated as long as a third party character has a legacy/history they can be represented into Smash Bros. And Final Fantasy, especially 7 does have a history and a legacy behind it.
I think your spot on but if I can ask you a direct question, what do you think about Pac Man being in the game? For me playing melee for the first time it was characters like Ness, Falcon and IC's that helped me find the heart of the series and knowing it all came from the same company was even better. It makes you want to find out about those series instead of seeing characters you already know look somewhat out of place from other companies. Obviously the game needs Mario, Link, Pikachu and Villager but once you get past those obvious characters you start to learn about the history of the company.
Ryu was fighting way before Mario tho.
Ryu just had to have all of his iconic moves otherwise him in Smash wouldn't have done him justice imo.
Don't you think it's weird that they pay respect to companies that have left them. This is why people weren't shocked at Snake being dropped. The game still needs to have an identity. If people want cross overs featuring other characters look at PS All Stars or Marvel v Capcom.
You're assuming this is about Nintendo all stars. War has changed. It's about GAMING all stars.
Still mostly Ninty, but I adore the change.
Criticisms are just as valid as praise. Otherwise this thread would be titled "General DLC Praise".
Well not really it happens in fighting games all the time. When is the last time you saw Link in a Soul Calibur game for example. Never! Guest characters will tend to get dropped no matter how close to the company they are, especially if they don't make that offer again, which is probably why Sonic may have stayed because they could had that as a part of the three-game contract. This could've been the reason as to why Snake may have got dropped. Its all about who can negotiate and who can't if you are on board then more than likely you are in if not you are out.
I think I am right. Looks like Cloud is voluntarily charging his limit bar to me.
To be honest i'll probably end up either buying and at least be happy with the stage or not waste my money on a character I won't use. I doesn't bother me playing against Ryu who I feel similar towards just gives me extra incentive to win but I don't tend to use him and almost wish i hadn't got him so he wouldn't be there on random. But the discussion is still fun especially for something unexpected. When WFT was announced I was on the positive side and it was fun and now i'm on the negative side but it's still interesting to discuss.
But it's more special when it's 1 or 2 guests, having 5 starts to take away from the identity of the series.
I think Cloud charges his limit bar with Down B. This enhances the next special that is used.
I see where you are coming from, and who is to say that these characters would even stick around the franchise. I wouldn't worry about it too much. 2 of the guest fighters are really just DLC meaning optional while the other three made it into the base game. Sonic, MegaMan, and maybe even PacMan (+ a requested third party) I can see sticking with the franchise because of how important they are to Nintendo and the gaming industry. I think Ryu and Cloud are just something a little extra for Smash 4, who may not end up coming back in future installments.
And a funny tidbit...Cloud in his trailer does say "I never thought I see the day."
I basically covered this
We got it all covered up to Gen 6 since Gen 1 lacked any character that could be playable (please don't pitch Pong).
You're right about the DLC thing. To be honest all the DLC so far has been questionable, Lucas and Roy are clones and arguably not needed, M2 has a somewhat awkward play style that isn't one the most unique and 2 3rd party, pure fan service. But there is still untapped potential in Nintendo's own history with characters like Saki or Isaac or Inkling that should have priority. I've said it's not like I will be mad at having to play other people who are using the character. I still feel Duck Hunt is only character that truly shouldn't be there but that's a different discussion.
Yeah, they had SSBB's Final Destination playing during that message. I don't want to start reading too much into it, but that would just be too awesome if it signaled
's return.We have the many Nintendo all-stars with a few well known icons from other developers included in Smash. What could possibly be better than that?
There is a Smash Bros live stream coming out in December. Probably the same deal as Roy/Lucas/Ryu shenanigans.
We got a Square rep, there needs to be a Konami rep! lol
He's been in Kingdom Hearts games, like Chain of Memories for the Game Boy Advance.
The fact we could have Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Ryu, Cloud, Snake, and Pikachu in the same game on the same stage at the same time is freaking amazing.
