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General ICs Q&A Thread
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chewyy
Smash Ace
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
bowser. he's big and very forgiving if your timing isn't perfect.
Kazz@
Smash Apprentice
hobblehobblehobble
Your point is dead.
You can hobble bowser easily, just substitute ice block for jab
Easy.
(n?)
Your point is dead.
You can hobble bowser easily, just substitute ice block for jab
Easy.
(n?)
Denzi
Smash Master
So then what's the best desynch to use and how exactly do I do it? Because if pivot's that good I think I'm doing it wrong >_<idk, I use pivot desynch.Does anyone actually use the SND?
chewyy
Smash Ace
Here are the ones I use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqDnr-_YZ_I
I'm pretty sure the key of pivot desynch is the timing of hitting B after the second dash, but I do the dashes as fast as I can.
edit: I rarely use the landing lag one though. It's really easy to do though.
I'm pretty sure the key of pivot desynch is the timing of hitting B after the second dash, but I do the dashes as fast as I can.
edit: I rarely use the landing lag one though. It's really easy to do though.
J4pu
Smash Champion
denzi for the pivot being done the right way you don't actually move much at all, when your timing is off you can still desync with the same input but you have to wait until your initial dash animation ends after pivoting before inputting the B move or w/e.
EX.
correct way: dash left, immediately dash right, immediately iceblock. your final standing point should be slightly to the left of where you started.
wrong way: dash left, immediately dash right, failed iceblock timing (nothing happens), wait until initial dash animation ends, use special move. You are standing fairly far to the right of where you started.
it's kinda nice tho if you aren't in close range with your opponent cuz even if you mess up the correct way of doing it (which actually has some strict timing) you can still desync without losing much time.
EX.
correct way: dash left, immediately dash right, immediately iceblock. your final standing point should be slightly to the left of where you started.
wrong way: dash left, immediately dash right, failed iceblock timing (nothing happens), wait until initial dash animation ends, use special move. You are standing fairly far to the right of where you started.
it's kinda nice tho if you aren't in close range with your opponent cuz even if you mess up the correct way of doing it (which actually has some strict timing) you can still desync without losing much time.
Lol, Bowser can't be hobbled. He has weird size proportions and can't be done. Uthrow hobble, I'm not sure if that works or not though.
PANTSMAGEE
Smash Apprentice
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... I SND all the time, even within other moves. its very useful for defense I believe, as pivot is for mind games/offense.idk, I use pivot desynch.
Cel
Smash Cadet
Denzi
Smash Master
All the info on it is in this thread:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=253500
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Does nana pummel the opponent too?
J4pu
Smash Champion
nana can only pummel if she's holding someone, otherwise she will use w/e move you input for her while popo pummels.
Epic Kovumon
Smash Journeyman
I recently picked up Ice Climbers about a week ago, and I was wondering, are their any recommended control settings to use for ICs?
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
no, she jabs.
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Ah, okay. She will pummel if she has the opponent grabbed. Thanks.
Jobes
Smash Apprentice
I've been learning the IC chaingrabs recently and i can do most of them, but i can't seem to do the alternaTing grabs one. Usually when i fthrow, nana dashes so i can't really do it right. I have done it a time or 2 on 1/2 speed, but then when i try to do the 2nd throw I fail. Advice please 
Jupz
Smash Master
Just get Nana to walk forwards slowly. Tilt the control stick, don't tap it.
Jobes
Smash Apprentice
ok thanks! One last thing do youhave to be desynced?
sauc3
Smash Lord
once you land a grab, they are desynched, but no, going into it you dont have to be.
Smasher89 was right, walk a bit, tilt forward till the grab registers, regrab, ???, profit!
Soulgem199
Smash Rookie
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i got a few things i want to ask(btw my english sucks balls)
I want to try playing IC butt then comes the biggest quastion....
Where do i start with?
i know the moveset, i know how to use down chaingrabs and walking chaingrab. and what i have to learn then?
I want to try playing IC butt then comes the biggest quastion....
Where do i start with?
i know the moveset, i know how to use down chaingrabs and walking chaingrab. and what i have to learn then?
I was thinking and does anyone know if boost grabs can increase the % we dthrow cg characters?
I can't test this right now. Anyone? It could be helpful. Imagine if we could get mk to like 90% instead of 65 with just dthrows.
I can't test this right now. Anyone? It could be helpful. Imagine if we could get mk to like 90% instead of 65 with just dthrows.
ch33s3
Smash Lord
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I haven't tested it much, but I know you can boost pivot grab behind fast fallers like sheik and falco, at least at moderate percents. I'm not sure if they can jump out at higher percents or not, but it's how I get the fast fallers to obnoxious percent when it's just SoPo. Their boost pivot grab is pretty good, so I can imagine it working with a regular boost grab.
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Not neccesarily, the slide you get from a bpg is not related to that of a boost grab. For example Falco has a great bpg, but his boost grab gives no boost at all. But if the IC's boost grab is good, then I can see it working.
J4pu
Smash Champion
boost grabbing never gives an actual slide right? It just extends the grab range for some characters (more than others?) I thought.
also, IC's have a bpg? I never knew *goes to try it out
also keep in mind that while bpg may extend your grab range, it also extends the amount of time it takes for your grab to come out, it's basically a dash grab(or is it normal? idk) + a few frames of the DA.
also, IC's have a bpg? I never knew *goes to try it out
also keep in mind that while bpg may extend your grab range, it also extends the amount of time it takes for your grab to come out, it's basically a dash grab(or is it normal? idk) + a few frames of the DA.
ch33s3
Smash Lord
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So, I've been getting wrecked by dair camping MKs lately. They just dair in that sweetspot where even if you blizzard it just trades, and then tornado on me just long enough that I can't get to them when they auto cancel it after retreating. Halp!
J4pu
Smash Champion
count the number of DJ's if they always finish with tornado then run away > pivot grab when you see it coming
Prawn
Smash Master
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actually, this is interesting.
I really need to start finding patterns in peoples playstyles
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
you could, but its not the best option in the least.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
damage output and the ease with which they can escape if you mess up even slightly make it a less desirable option. it will take you at least 4 times as long to hobble a person to kill percents than if you just CG them. thats 4x the time that you can mess up and they can escape. its easier and more efficient to just learn the CGs so you can kill them quicker with less fuss.
But the thing is I don't care for grabs or how "fast" I can kill someone. I understand that it is much more time consuming but I very rarely mess up my hobbles and i often mess up my CG's, I'm not horrible at CG'ing but my forte is hobbling and if I can perfect that I think I can reach the same goal of beating my opponent with it. To me its just preference... even if you guys don't see it that way. I'm just glad that its not banned in tournaments because then I'd be screwed xD
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
hobbling won't work as well against good players. i'm fairly sure you can SDI it, and if not, then its noticeably harder to get perfect when you get them over 100%. it would be more to your advantage to just learn the CGs. if they aren't your forte then you should work doubly hard on them. thats really how you should approach gameplay in general.
I find that hobbling is underestimated. You can smash hobble...
hobble>smash>grab immediately after smash. If you do it in conjuction with fthrow and fsmash, it can do a ton of damage. 39/40% (Does one IB still do 4%?)
Then there's another that GimR invented.
b/f/dthrow>footstool>fair>buffered grab. That's 25-30%.
They CAN SDI, but not far enough to get away from our IB in time. We can still running shield grab.
Overall, I need to do some frame/damage work and compare it to buffered b-throws (most efficient chaingrab we have).
Edit: Smash hobbling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3KbgcmEak
Other Hobble:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvM-oOnCsPg