Firestormzero0
Smash Ace
can someone list all the characters that IC's are Suppose to approach because they can be outcamped? Rob, Snake, Spacies, Pit? amirite so far? and who else?
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General ICs Q&A Thread
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ch33s3
Smash Lord
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*Briefly unlurks*
Rob can outcamp you. You can outcamp snake, just be perfect with your ice block placements, and his grenades will blow up in his face or harmlessly. Fox and Falco you outcamp too. Wolf has some camp tricksies that can force you try and get in. If the Pit is an arrow master, you have to approach, but other than that, you can cancel his arrows with iceblock, and ice blocks are faster, remember to powershield, not regular shield, his arrows.
Rob can outcamp you. You can outcamp snake, just be perfect with your ice block placements, and his grenades will blow up in his face or harmlessly. Fox and Falco you outcamp too. Wolf has some camp tricksies that can force you try and get in. If the Pit is an arrow master, you have to approach, but other than that, you can cancel his arrows with iceblock, and ice blocks are faster, remember to powershield, not regular shield, his arrows.
r3d d09
Smash Master
you power shield the arrows, advance a little. PS, advance... till you get to him.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
never use that word. it makes you sound like a ****** and discredits anything else you say.
I just noticed something with the ice climbers the other day when I was messing around and I just wondered so I figured I'd ask.
I was brawlin with some cpus and one of them was the ice climbers. Well I noticed that on two occasions in one match, when one of the ice climbers was KO'd, the remaining one started tripping repeatedly. The first time it happened I was just kind of amused. The second time it happened a couple minutes later, I counted 5 consecutive trips that immediately followed the KO of its partner. There were no items, so no bananas or anything to cause it and we were on the Luigi's Mansion stage. I'd never seen it happen before and I haven't seen it happen since then so I duno just a glitch?
I was brawlin with some cpus and one of them was the ice climbers. Well I noticed that on two occasions in one match, when one of the ice climbers was KO'd, the remaining one started tripping repeatedly. The first time it happened I was just kind of amused. The second time it happened a couple minutes later, I counted 5 consecutive trips that immediately followed the KO of its partner. There were no items, so no bananas or anything to cause it and we were on the Luigi's Mansion stage. I'd never seen it happen before and I haven't seen it happen since then so I duno just a glitch?
r3d d09
Smash Master
probably, my nana is pretty legit and will Fsmash as i'm flying into the background... i've won a match like that before. haha.
Haha wow nice.
r3d d09
Smash Master
i wish i would have recorded that. haha.
tekkie
Smash Master
IxxI
Smash Fence
That question is so overused, I swear.
Can someone please make an FAQ in the OP much like the Snake boards?
Can someone please make an FAQ in the OP much like the Snake boards?
r3d d09
Smash Master
meh, itkeeps the boards active. no worries.
CaliburChamp
Smash Master
If there was only 1 Ice Climber. Popo, and no Nana. Where do you think a single IC will be placed on the tier list? I put single IC below Ganondorf, although I'm not sure if Popo belongs to be the lowest of the low.
Firestormzero0
Smash Ace
i personally dont think he belongs below ganon or captain falcon. I think he belongs right after yoshi.
CaliburChamp
Smash Master
So your saying solo IC is not bottom tier? Yoshi is pretty good for a low tier. I can't really agree on that too much, unless you have an explanation.
Firestormzero0
Smash Ace
Never underestimate SoPo. He still gots Uair and blizzard. He still can still do DThrow CG to ridiculous percentages. Smashes are still pretty powerful. and so is his Bair.
CaliburChamp
Smash Master
Ok, I'll take your word for it. I'd like to hear at least 2 more opinions about Solo Popo, before I make up my mind.
IxxI
Smash Fence
He's right. Just be sure to space like your life depended on it, and try to not get hit off stage. It's really hard to recovery with out getting punished.
SoPo really does have nice assets. UAir, BAir (can approach sometimes), ice block can still camp some, blizzard should only be used when close because it can be punished since you can't have nana use blizzard. And yeah, d-throw can chaingrab to SOOOO long. It's like over 100% on D3 if you're frame perfect.
And often when I'm SoPo and I'm recovering, they don't really realize how far Squall can go horizontally so they try to hit you in air and miss. But I'm not sure what pros would do.
That's just my opinion.
And often when I'm SoPo and I'm recovering, they don't really realize how far Squall can go horizontally so they try to hit you in air and miss. But I'm not sure what pros would do.
That's just my opinion.
KirbyIRL
Smash Journeyman
I may be late, but is it even possible for SoPo's f-air to meteor someone? Because I can't get it to.
IxxI
Smash Fence
IC's fastfall speed isn't that great. We need to come up with a thread on how to get down. A few ideas I have would beto talk about mixing up fast falling, utilizing/timing your second jump, b-reversing blizzards, b-reversing ice block, squalling, and NAir'ing.
CaliburChamp
Smash Master
I played around with Solo Popo for a while in training mode, then switched off to Ganon, Link, C. Falcon, Jigglypuff, the bottom tiers. And I have to say, I still find Solo Popo to be the worst, worse than Ganon even...
Bad aerial mobility, low damage output, hard grabs. Even Solo Popo chain grab is weak, does very little damage per hit. I had more options when I used the other bottom tier characters, than when I used Solo Popo.
Bad aerial mobility, low damage output, hard grabs. Even Solo Popo chain grab is weak, does very little damage per hit. I had more options when I used the other bottom tier characters, than when I used Solo Popo.
Firestormzero0
Smash Ace
Solo Popo CG may be weak, but very effective cuz he can keep them in a CG all the way until there at a high percent. Up Air still has so much priority and it does a fair amount of damage, especially cause it can combo into itself. Blizzard still has a fair amount of range and as far as getting grabs in. thats what us IC's master in lol. But i think there way up there just cuz up air. nothing gets through it lol.
CaliburChamp
Smash Master
Ganon actually has an easier time gimping and edge guarding. Ice Climber down + b doesn't, last long, or do much damage. Solo Popo Up-air is probably one of the best moves, along with side b, and his chaingrab. But as solo popo brings the opponent to the end of the stage, the chain grab ends. Ganon's better edge guarding and gimping along with his side b, f-smash, up-air, and D-air, make him the better character, by a little bit. I figured I test them both out in training mode to see which one of them has more important aspects pertaining to brawl.
Firestormzero0
Smash Ace
except ganon is SLOW. Sopo can CG characters many times cuz he doesnt have to dash grab Dthrow. He can Walk and do Dthrow. And sometimes at low enough percents if i am at the edge of the stage and i Dthrow them it leads to a Fsmash to wrack up even more percent. Ganon still has low priority compared to other characters. Sopo still has priority. All of ganons move are pretty predictable cuz he is slow. Sopo not as easy. Ganon Does have better edge guarding and gimping abilities your right. idk i wish more people would talk on here to help on this issue. 
r3d d09
Smash Master
it's funny because a lot of my state players say they fear my SoPo more than when i'm with my nana. haha
PoweredVolt
Smash Cadet
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I've been using Ice Climbers pretty frequently and have come across a problem lately.
Now when I grab someone, within the second I grab hold of them, they get out. I don't even have time to recooperate or even input the commands quick enough. Is there anything that can be done with this besides the usual SWF answer (throw faster)?
Now when I grab someone, within the second I grab hold of them, they get out. I don't even have time to recooperate or even input the commands quick enough. Is there anything that can be done with this besides the usual SWF answer (throw faster)?
DUB
Smash Lord
Just wanted to clarify something about Hylians desynch. I've gotten comfortable with grounded B-reversals now, however I'm not sure how I'm really doing them. I can perform aerial b reversals 400% of the time. Double check behind me real quick if ya dont mind:
I initiate a dash
I then start another dash but as soon as i input the dash I hit B and the opposite direction.
Problem is, they never desynch, just both b-reverse ice blocks.
How do you perform this in detail? Haven't been playing IC long at all and it's somewhat heard to understand what the IC's are doing when I attempt this.
Also, KRD would just dash and desynch taunt with the IC's. How is all this done? ty in advance
I initiate a dash
I then start another dash but as soon as i input the dash I hit B and the opposite direction.
Problem is, they never desynch, just both b-reverse ice blocks.
How do you perform this in detail? Haven't been playing IC long at all and it's somewhat heard to understand what the IC's are doing when I attempt this.
Also, KRD would just dash and desynch taunt with the IC's. How is all this done? ty in advance
Funen1
Smash Journeyman
You have to hit in the opposite direction a split second before inputting the special move. The timing is such that Nana will receive the input but Popo will not, as they are in different phases of the "end of dash" animation. This should help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMSfwHiCjmI
nightmar3
Smash Rookie
how can i buffer the cg?
Prawn
Smash Master
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DUB
Smash Lord
Are there any recent videos (tourny/MM/friendlies) that showcase hylians desynch somewhat well?
theunabletable
Smash Lord
Generally for CGs I just do Fthrow-Fthrow-Bthrow-Fthrow-Bthrow-Fthrow etc
Although sometimes I'll do the running D-throw chain to get some damage so that they can't struggle out instantly.
Prawn
Smash Master
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bthrow to fthrow is what I use.
But isnt the CG a 'must learn' for the IC?