Ganon's Bread and Butter?

[kamikaze falco]

I have a question. What is the bread and butter of ganon's game? grab based combo's? I'm not too much of a Ganon player but was picking him up lately and was just curious.

 

[linkmastersword]

Air game
1. well spaced shffl fairs -> jab
2. shffl uairs when the opponent is above you.
3. double bairs, i.e. jump->bair ->jump -> bair (l-canceled of course.) can be donewith dair as well, much harder though.
4. shffl dair -> grab/usmash/fair

Ground game
1. use your down b wisely, and your overb sparingly.
2. reverse waveland to fsmash or down b.

Grabs
1. most characters, med - light weight, Dthrow - appropriate aerial based on DI, usually uair or bair

heavy characters cf, falco, fox.
1. u throw to downb(if they have poor teching skills) below 62+ read the DI as well as their tech.
2. uthrow ->aerial at 140+ dmg
3. dthrow -> bair @ 150+ dmg

 

[mood4food77]

dthrow to dsmash kills fox and falco at around 120% and there is no way they can jump out of it (also, it's impossible to CC from the air) so it works

 

[McCloud]

That's high % for Fox/Falco...

Dthrow DownB works decently sometimes, use sparingly. Jabs are fun to throw people off.

 

[Tom]

Air game
1. well spaced shffl fairs -> jab
2. shffl uairs when the opponent is above you.
3. double bairs, i.e. jump->bair ->jump -> bair (l-canceled of course.) can be donewith dair as well, much harder though.
4. shffl dair -> grab/usmash/fair

Ground game
1. use your down b wisely, and your overb sparingly.
2. reverse waveland to fsmash or down b.

Grabs
1. most characters, med - light weight, Dthrow - appropriate aerial based on DI, usually uair or bair

heavy characters cf, falco, fox.
1. u throw to downb(if they have poor teching skills)
2. uthrow -> uair at 75+ dmg*
3. dthrow -> bair @ 90+ dmg*

*this is an approximation, I don't know exact dmg #s

qft. Pay attention to the air game section, as Ganon is major shffling. Also keep your opponent guessing with some good mindgames-- down-b, dash dancing (read: to actually confuse them, dont just throw it around when youre far away like far too many people do), empty short hops, and full jumped/double jumped aerials.

 

[_clinton]

Ganon likes bread with Butter.

I always have like his up smash, for edge guarding thou. barly anything tops a special move.

 

[PurpleEqualsDoom]

This is good stuff for me- I'm going to my first tournament in march and I'm using Ganon. Any more advice from experienced Ganon users?

 

[falco_4_life]

his backflip and F-air

 

[McCloud]

Jeezum crow, upsmash is horrible man... use uair for edgeguarding. Watch some Tipman vids for the execution but basically you want to catch people coming back onto the stage with repeated backward uairs to kill them. Very easy edgeguard, very effective kill.

 

[MikulOnIce85]

Don't forget the forward tilt and jabs for his ground game, they stop shuffling, and grabs. As we all know, gannon doesn't like being grabbed. Also, if a >b is shielded, it's too far for gannon to be grabbed, but the forward tilt is in range.

 

[Joe 4'Sho]

i didn't read much of the thread so i'm not sure if im doing any repeating, but....L-canceling any aerial move to a neutral jab is Ganon's bread and jam. for sure

 

[linkmastersword]

hahaha, tipman matches are fun to watch, but I wouldn't recommend playing like him, he's got a rediculous style mixed in with amazing techskill. I tried doing his stuff in some friendlies and I SDed a couple times, as well as got owned because I'm not tipman. if you want to be flashy, watch Renth's ganon, he manuveurs well, spaces well, and keeps it smart and simple. He's a good model to learn from, but he's not as good as the other amazing Ganon's. no offense renth, I think you are very good.

 

[McCloud]

Oh, and just a tip. If you're coming back onto the stage (falling from high) and you spot a Falco or whoever coming for a spike... fair their *** and up B back onto the stage. :D

 

[kamikaze falco]

thats impossible; can't do that because you will fall down to far and you won't make the recovery guaranteed. You just can't ledge hop a fair. But the reverse u air is a a a mazing!! I love chain grabbing and fair or stomping them out of it.

 

[Tom]

If you're coming back onto the stage (falling from high) and you spot a Falco or whoever coming for a spike... fair their ***

You just can't ledge hop a fair.

ummm, <3 reading whole posts?

 

[wuthefwasthat]

well you can ledgehop a fair and up-b back to the ledge without dying

does anyone else find it extremely difficult to ledgehop uairs and grab onto the stage? and REAAAALLY hard to ledgehop uair and land on the stage?

 

[Tom]

does anyone else find it extremely difficult to ledgehop uairs and grab onto the stage? and REAAAALLY hard to ledgehop uair and land on the stage?

not if you are on the ledge, tap the c-stick backwards to let go, tap the control stick up and forwards to jump onto the ledge, and then tap the c-stick up for the upair.

 

[shadenexus18]

Not many people know it, but Ganon's aerial game isn't hard to master. If you time his air lag with peeps who just have a good ground game then you've got it made in the shade bro!

Ganon's bread & butter (yum...bread & butter) is timing your Smash attacks for people who like to evade & in 4 player matches, you usual own everybody.

 

[linkmastersword]

also, I found that to do the uair on to the level, you need to wait a little bit until your body is 90% over the ground or else you won't make it up. same goes with the ledgehop waveland grab. I still have dificutly getting it consistent though.

 

[Opus_IX]

I agree that well spaced aerials to jabs are awesome, but I feel that doing 2 (or 3, if you read the tech-roll/roll correctly) shffl'd D-airs are REALLY awesome at getting the percentage high very quickly. Have you seen 1233's Letal Dorf? (Or is Lethal Dorf? I'm pretty sure it's Letal...anyway...) He performs multiple shffl'd D-airs against characters like Fox, Falco, and Sheik (also Pikachu), But this multiple D-air is amazing. 0-60% in three moves?!?!? Not even shffl'd F-airs can keep up with that It knocks them away too far for you to catch, and it does less damage (although with Ganondorf, everything does massive damage it seems, so I think that's a moot point). Also, if you get that last third D-air in (after their techroll/roll/get-up attack), it sets up your opponent for a F-air or B-air, which leads to edgeguard/edgehog. Or you can continue the D-air fun, but I think that's a waste of an opportunity for a kill. Try to do multi-aired d-airs (full jump the first d-air, then before you land, second jump and d-air again) for mindgames. They may want to do a shield grab because they think you'll land after the d-air, but you'll have used your double jump just to d-air them while they're open. But of course, mix your tactics up. If you use one approach too much, they'll predict you and just wait, or b-up, or u-tilt, or w/e it is they do. Or if you're only going to do a single jump try to land behind them. Even with an L-cancelled d-air, you'll probably have too much lag to jab them before they grab you.

Good luck!

 

[linkmastersword]

very very good advice. more of an advanced strategy. it works very well too.