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This is a new forum game in which your favorite newcomers will duel each other on the battlefield of uniqueness, appeal, contribution to game balance, and fit with the style of Smash Bros.!
This is taken from Thinkaman's GDC 2008 Meeting Masahiro Sakurai thread. As far as I could tell, that is where these four criteria originated. Pay special attention to the description of "contribution to game balance." I have had to discount people's scores for balance because they are not judging the criterion according to this definition.
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1. [appeal] The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.
This is infinitely harder than you and I think, because we are so jaded by our own perspective. I would insist that Viewtiful Joe would be the best character ever, but I'm not sure people would really want the game more. Neither of us would have ever thought of ROB, and yet "ROBOT" was the CROWD FAVORITE by FAR in the GDC matches the CAs had. Everyone loved him! We as gamers are way too biased to make this decision easily.
2. [uniqueness] The character must be unique.
The character must have identifying features and abilities that would make them different from existing characters, so that they add something to the game.
3. [style] The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
The character obviously has to be able to fit into the framework of how smash works, obviously Pac-Man and L Block would not work. (My examples, not his.)
4. [balance] They must contribute to the game balance.
Everyone has to fit together. Every new character must counter some characters and be countered by others, and they must fit in one giant contiguous mesh.
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Granted, Sakurai might not stick to these criteria, but I think they are a good judge of a character's chances barring access to Sakurai's thoughts.
The Rules:
I will update the nominations list and the scores in the original post once a day at midnight. Additionally, I will provide a weekly overview of votes and discussions for the given week's characters.
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Knuckles 2
Waluigi
Skull Kid 2
Chibi-Robo 2
Wonder Red 2
Tails 2
Bandana Dee 1
Bomberman 1
Krystal 1
Tamagon 1
Plum 1
Impa 1
Doshin the Giant 1
Ruka Minanuki 1
Zael 1
Tingle 1
Captain Syrup 1
Jeff 1
King K. Rool 6
Takamaru 6
Dillon 6
Slime 5
Dr. Kawashima 5
Nintendog 5
Dixie Kong 5
Little Mac 5
Palutena 4
Isaac 4
Bowser Jr. 4
Lip 4
Tiki 3
Mewtwo 2
Paper Mario 3
Pac-Man 3
Sukapon 3
Professor Layton 2
Shulk 2
Black Shadow 2
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[collapse=Results]Ridley
Uniqueness: 8.3
Appeal: 8.6
Balance: 8.7
Style: 9.1
Total: 34.7
King K. Rool
Uniqueness: 9
Appeal: 9
Balance: 8.8
Style: 9.7
Total: 36.5
Little Mac
Uniqueness: 8
Appeal: 7.8
Balance: 8.3
Style: 7.3
Total: 32.2
Paper Mario
Uniqueness: 6
Appeal: 6.5
Balance: 8.5
Style: 9.3
Total: 30.3
Isaac
Uniqueness: 9.5
Appeal: 8.6
Balance: 10
Style: 9.3
Total: 37.4
Palutena
Uniqueness: 8
Appeal: 8.5
Balance: 9
Style: 9
Total: 34.5
Slime
Uniqueness: 10
Appeal: 7.5
Balance: 9
Style: 8.5
Total: 35
Takamaru
Uniqueness: 9
Appeal: 7.5
Balance: 8
Style: 9.6
Total: 34.1
Dr. Kawashima
Uniqueness: 10
Appeal: 0
Balance: -
Style: 0
Total: 10/30 (13.3/40)
Dillon
Uniqueness: 9.5
Appeal: 8.3
Balance: 9.5
Style: 10
Total: 37.3
Dixie Kong
Uniqueness: 5.3
Appeal: 7.3
Balance: 5.8
Style: 6
Total: 24.4
Nintendog
Uniqueness: 10
Appeal: 4
Balance: 8
Style: 1
Total: 23
Bowser Jr.
Uniqueness: 7.7
Appeal: 8.3
Balance: 6
Style: 9.7
Total: 26.3
Lip
Uniqueness: 9.3
Appeal: 5
Balance: 9.6
Style: 8.5
Total: 32.4
Pac-Man
Uniqueness: 7.7
Appeal: 9.3
Balance: 8.7
Style: 7
Total: 32.7
Sukapon
Uniqueness: 9
Appeal: 4.5
Balance: 8
Style: 8.5
Total: 30
Tiki
Uniqueness: 9
Appeal: 8
Balance: 9
Style: 8
Total: 34
Mewtwo
Uniqueness: 8.5
Appeal: 10
Balance: 7.3
Style: 8.5
Total: 34.3
Professor Layton
Uniqueness: -
Appeal: -
Balance: -
Style: -
Total: -
Shulk
Uniqueness: -
Appeal: -
Balance: -
Style: -
Total: -
Black Shadow
Uniqueness: 6
Appeal: 4.5
Balance: 5
Style: 6
Total: 21.5
Knuckles
Uniqueness: 4
Appeal: 5
Balance: 6
Style: 5
Total: 20
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This is taken from Thinkaman's GDC 2008 Meeting Masahiro Sakurai thread. As far as I could tell, that is where these four criteria originated. Pay special attention to the description of "contribution to game balance." I have had to discount people's scores for balance because they are not judging the criterion according to this definition.
[collapse=Criteria Explained]
1. [appeal] The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.
This is infinitely harder than you and I think, because we are so jaded by our own perspective. I would insist that Viewtiful Joe would be the best character ever, but I'm not sure people would really want the game more. Neither of us would have ever thought of ROB, and yet "ROBOT" was the CROWD FAVORITE by FAR in the GDC matches the CAs had. Everyone loved him! We as gamers are way too biased to make this decision easily.
2. [uniqueness] The character must be unique.
The character must have identifying features and abilities that would make them different from existing characters, so that they add something to the game.
3. [style] The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
The character obviously has to be able to fit into the framework of how smash works, obviously Pac-Man and L Block would not work. (My examples, not his.)
4. [balance] They must contribute to the game balance.
Everyone has to fit together. Every new character must counter some characters and be countered by others, and they must fit in one giant contiguous mesh.
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Granted, Sakurai might not stick to these criteria, but I think they are a good judge of a character's chances barring access to Sakurai's thoughts.
The Rules:
- Each day will consist of two parts.
- Posters will discuss how the next day's character succeeds or fails in each of the four criteria
- Day 0 will consist solely of this part.
- The point is to hear everyone's views before assigning a rating.
- Posters will assign the current day's character a rating of 1 - 10 in each category, giving a total of 4 - 40. Some people have used scores of x.5. I did not originally intend that to be an option, but there seems to be demand for it, so you may use them. However, only x.5, not x.7, x.8, etc.
- Posters will discuss how the next day's character succeeds or fails in each of the four criteria
- Each poster will also be given the opportunity of nominating two characters (or one character twice) for voting.
- Notes:
- Confirmed characters are inelligible for voting.
- As I understand it, "contribution to game balance" refers to a characters role in balancing out the roster, not in how balanced their moveset will be in terms of tiers.
- I suspect that each of the four criteria are not weighted equally in Sakurai's mind, but I do not have any way of finding out if or how they are weighted. Therefore, characters will be ranked by their total scores. However, there will also be rankings of characters in each criterion.
- I reserve the right to discount any score that is not based on the definition of the relevant criterion.
I will update the nominations list and the scores in the original post once a day at midnight. Additionally, I will provide a weekly overview of votes and discussions for the given week's characters.
[collapse=Nominations]
Knuckles 2
Waluigi
Skull Kid 2
Chibi-Robo 2
Wonder Red 2
Tails 2
Bandana Dee 1
Bomberman 1
Krystal 1
Tamagon 1
Plum 1
Impa 1
Doshin the Giant 1
Ruka Minanuki 1
Zael 1
Tingle 1
Captain Syrup 1
Jeff 1
Professor Layton 2
Shulk 2
Black Shadow 2
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[collapse=Results]Ridley
Uniqueness: 8.3
Appeal: 8.6
Balance: 8.7
Style: 9.1
Total: 34.7
King K. Rool
Uniqueness: 9
Appeal: 9
Balance: 8.8
Style: 9.7
Total: 36.5
Little Mac
Uniqueness: 8
Appeal: 7.8
Balance: 8.3
Style: 7.3
Total: 32.2
Paper Mario
Uniqueness: 6
Appeal: 6.5
Balance: 8.5
Style: 9.3
Total: 30.3
Isaac
Uniqueness: 9.5
Appeal: 8.6
Balance: 10
Style: 9.3
Total: 37.4
Palutena
Uniqueness: 8
Appeal: 8.5
Balance: 9
Style: 9
Total: 34.5
Slime
Uniqueness: 10
Appeal: 7.5
Balance: 9
Style: 8.5
Total: 35
Takamaru
Uniqueness: 9
Appeal: 7.5
Balance: 8
Style: 9.6
Total: 34.1
Dr. Kawashima
Uniqueness: 10
Appeal: 0
Balance: -
Style: 0
Total: 10/30 (13.3/40)
Dillon
Uniqueness: 9.5
Appeal: 8.3
Balance: 9.5
Style: 10
Total: 37.3
Dixie Kong
Uniqueness: 5.3
Appeal: 7.3
Balance: 5.8
Style: 6
Total: 24.4
Nintendog
Uniqueness: 10
Appeal: 4
Balance: 8
Style: 1
Total: 23
Bowser Jr.
Uniqueness: 7.7
Appeal: 8.3
Balance: 6
Style: 9.7
Total: 26.3
Lip
Uniqueness: 9.3
Appeal: 5
Balance: 9.6
Style: 8.5
Total: 32.4
Pac-Man
Uniqueness: 7.7
Appeal: 9.3
Balance: 8.7
Style: 7
Total: 32.7
Sukapon
Uniqueness: 9
Appeal: 4.5
Balance: 8
Style: 8.5
Total: 30
Tiki
Uniqueness: 9
Appeal: 8
Balance: 9
Style: 8
Total: 34
Mewtwo
Uniqueness: 8.5
Appeal: 10
Balance: 7.3
Style: 8.5
Total: 34.3
Professor Layton
Uniqueness: -
Appeal: -
Balance: -
Style: -
Total: -
Shulk
Uniqueness: -
Appeal: -
Balance: -
Style: -
Total: -
Black Shadow
Uniqueness: 6
Appeal: 4.5
Balance: 5
Style: 6
Total: 21.5
Knuckles
Uniqueness: 4
Appeal: 5
Balance: 6
Style: 5
Total: 20
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