Fox Mains, learn to Waffle.

[Criosphinx]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=207154

I need to bring this to attention. Fox's is fast. Like... very fast.

Walking isn't a great option with Fox, but this is nearly as fast as his run. A full array of options from this is nothing less than amazing. Not quite as great as Marth's options from it, but as a character, we can benefit immensely from this.

And yes, I'm calling it waffling. Doop walking is fun, but I love me some waffles.

 

[KheldarVII]

I shall look into it. I've done it before on accident and I was curious what I did.

 

[KheldarVII]

Basically all I can see for uses is a faster "dash" D-smash or tilts. Maybe it'll prove useful sometime in the future but for now I'm not gonna bother implementing it.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

That looks really effective with Fox. Mindgames to upsmash please. =D

 

[Tangy]

I don't see much use for it, except it being a faster version of walking as an approach. I just like to use it as a taunt after I kill my opponent =P

Also, I don't think you can rename it if you didn't find it.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

I don't know, I think it definitely has potential. We just need to find a proper application for it.

 

[Zhamy]

It's not going to replace walking for spacing.

It'll be good for trying to close in on that tilt or smash, though.

 

[Criosphinx]

Also, I don't think you can rename it if you didn't find it.

I refer you to the first post on page 3.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=207154&page=3

It has several practical applications with Fox's tilt game, and the momentum gained during a dsmash is long enough to punish spot dodging, I believe.

It can be used like a pseudo-stutter step with his Fsmash, as well. Not that the move has a ton of use...

 

[Veggi]

Chase your tail, Fox!

To post something useful, it looks effective for anything that won't be easily landed after a dash. Imagine avoiding a move and pivot grabbing someone with this. That would look so cool.

 

[M@v]

If fox could do this at running speed I could see it being a lot more useful. Ill have try experiment with it.The main problem I see it might have is that your still approaching at a walking speed.

 

[Blistering Speed]

True, but Fox has a very fast walk.

 

[Conviction]

Let me just this so it will be off my chest....
Lol we look like Beyblades!

On topic: Ok i dont see too much use for this other than a quick pivotal grab. Maybe we could find a way to apply dtilt to this so people wont find useless.

 

[M@v]

im trying it out now. Its SUPER easy to do. If you mess up, you will probably charge an fsmash. The major problem I see with this is that it puts my right hand in an akward position to do things.



maybe dance around with this and pull a suprise Fsmash is an application?

 

[SuSa]

Switch a Trigger (L or R) to Attack.

Whenever you use any attack (including blaster) hold down the formentioned trigger.

Wallah, you can Waffle from it (Pivot Walk).

1. You can dash out of this whenever you want.
2. You can stop doing this whenever you want.
3. It can be shield canceled
4. Unlike Dashing this allows you to keep ALL of your options. Tilts AND smashes.
5. It looks funny so your opponent may be laughing their ***** off then eat a usmash.
6. You can do Pivot'd tilts from this. (quickly tilt during the pivot)
7. You can break into a boost pivot grab from this
8. You can break into a pivot grab from this
9. I'm running out of uses

tl;dr

Fox's is useful.

 

[KheldarVII]

I think you mean....

Voila!

 

[M15t3R E]

I gave this a try but I don't understand the hype behind this.
You have to be a moron to be mindgamed by this.
Why don't you just dash to and away from your opponent like crazy and instantly stop+smash with a stutter step smash? That would be more reliable than "waffling" or whatever you'd like to call it.

 

[Melomaniacal]

I gave this a try but I don't understand the hype behind this.
You have to be a moron to be mindgamed by this.
Why don't you just dash to and away from your opponent like crazy and instantly stop+smash with a stutter step smash?

It's faster than walking and you can smash/tilt out of it. Pretty useful, especially when you're trying to not stale you're usmash, and fsmash could make a pretty decent approach with this.
I can see it being extremely beneficiary if you become more fluid with it. I already had my Z set to attack, so it's very easy for me the execute. I just to need to get more used to doing it, and I don't see it doing anything but helping.

 

[M15t3R E]

It's faster than walking and you can smash/tilt out of it. Pretty useful, especially when you're trying to not stale you're usmash, and fsmash could make a pretty decent approach with this.
I can see it being extremely beneficiary if you become more fluid with it. I already had my Z set to attack, so it's very easy for me the execute. I just to need to get more used to doing it, and I don't see it doing anything but helping.

Nope. To attack out of it you must let go of A and make sure you're facing the right direction THEN smash or tilt.
It is all too time consuming and will be EXTREMELY easy for even a novice player to predict and avoid your attacks that come out of it. It's not gonna help you get any attacks in at all.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Nope. To attack out of it you must let go of A and make sure you're facing the right direction THEN smash or tilt.
It is all too time consuming and will be EXTREMELY easy for even a novice player to avoid your attacking that come out of it. It's not gonna help you get any attacks in at all.

You can just tap forward and it'll forward smash. Since I use Z, it's extremely easy and fast. I don't see how it's time consuming, you can attack right out of it. It's certainly another viable approach, and the more the merrier for Fox.

 

[M15t3R E]

You can just tap forward and it'll forward smash. Since I use Z, it's extremely easy and fast. I don't see how it's time consuming, you can attack right out of it. It's certainly another viable approach, and the more the merrier for Fox.

You haven't even tried this, have you? If you tap forward (I imagine you mean on the c-stick) while you are holding the A button (you need to hold the A button to waffle) then you will automatically perform a fully charged smash attack. Holding A + c-stick forward executes a fully charged forward smash. Any noob can avoid that.

 

[Melomaniacal]

You haven't even tried this, have you? If you tap forward (I imagine you mean on the c-stick) while you are holding the A button (you need to hold the A button to waffle) then you will automatically perform a fully charged smash attack. Holding A + c-stick forward executes a fully charged forward smash. Any noob can avoid that.

Yes I have... just let go of A (or in my case, Z). It's not hard, and if it takes anything more than a millisecond... that's your own fault, haha.

 

[M15t3R E]

Seriously, if you are coming anywhere near me with this weird tech, I'll be on my guard for a smash or tilt long before you decide to press the input for one. Fox's quick dash to u-smash is more fearsome than this absurdity will ever be.

Btw, this can be defeated with simple projectile spamming. So there you go.

 

[K 2]

Possible use:

Waffle -> Fsmash, as in, fox waffles right into ike's fsmash.

But seriously, only noobs would get mindgame'd by this...

 

[Melomaniacal]

Seriously, if you are coming anywhere near me with this weird tech, I'll be on my guard for a smash or tilt long before you decide to press the input for one. Fox's quick dash to u-smash is more fearsome than this absurdity will ever be.

It's really not that much different then just dashing. It's just a tad bit slower, and you aren't limited to usmash/dash attack. Just another approach option. Let's try not to get too heated, though.

And spamming won't stop this any more than it stops anything else.

 

[M15t3R E]

Let's be real here. Brawl is about rushing in and capitalizing on the slightest bad movement or attack your opponent makes.

In order to begin the "waffle" you'll need to do a SH aerial so that you can be on the ground with the attack button pressed in without jabbing. By the time you do this, the opponent will be on their guard and never give you an opening of any kind unless they're a n00b.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Let's be real here. Brawl is about rushing in and capitalizing on the slightest bad movement or attack your opponent makes.

In order to begin the "waffle" you'll need to do a SH aerial so that you can be on the ground with the attack button pressed in without jabbing. By the time you do this, the opponent will be on their guard and never give you an opening of any kind unless they're a n00b.

Well, you could do it out of a roll, or after some SH laser spam. Both of these are pretty easy and efficient times to "activate" it.

But don't get me wrong, you could be right and this could be completely useless. I just think it's a handy little technique, could be useful to mix it up.

 

[Criosphinx]

I messed around with it in tournament play today. It's genuinely useful if you take the time and effort to utilize it correctly.

Uses I've found (assuming Fox, Z set to attack)

Sh B-air slightly outside of punish range > Hold Z > Single Waffle towards > F-Tilt.
Pressures shield, and the approach on the F-tilt is much faster than walking in, or Dash shielding.

Sh D-air to back of opponent, holding Z. If Shielded, Single waffle away, Ftilt in the opposite direction. Replace Ftilt with Dsmash/utilt if they dash toward you. If not shielded, combo as normal.

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If you think of the move not as a replacement for walking, but as a quick boost in one direction, with a full range of moves out of it, the practicality really shows. It's quite similar to WD'ing in usefulness. People who seek to approach with it 100% of the time are going to get punished extremely easy. It's in the sublety of it how people are going to be able to capitalize.

 

[K 2]

The only use of "waffle" is for the IC's to quickly desync. Other than that, any practical applications is nonexistant.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

it looks like fun though lol. random mindgame.

 

[M@v]

Im going to throw this into my game for the next tournament I go to and see how it works. Im only going to use it to throw them off and go "wtf is that?"

 

[SuSa]

I messed around with it in tournament play today. It's genuinely useful if you take the time and effort to utilize it correctly.

Uses I've found (assuming Fox, Z set to attack)

Sh B-air slightly outside of punish range > Hold Z > Single Waffle towards > F-Tilt.
Pressures shield, and the approach on the F-tilt is much faster than walking in, or Dash shielding.

Sh D-air to back of opponent, holding Z. If Shielded, Single waffle away, Ftilt in the opposite direction. Replace Ftilt with Dsmash/utilt if they dash toward you. If not shielded, combo as normal.

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If you think of the move not as a replacement for walking, but as a quick boost in one direction, with a full range of moves out of it, the practicality really shows. It's quite similar to WD'ing in usefulness. People who seek to approach with it 100% of the time are going to get punished extremely easy. It's in the sublety of it how people are going to be able to capitalize.

QFT

10truths

 

[Doopliss_Swe]

The only use of "waffle" is for the IC's to quickly desync. Other than that, any practical applications is nonexistant.

Stop making that kind of assumptions, you have no idea what kind of uses this technique might provide. No one is even close to mastering it, and this is probably best used as tech chasing or something, not approaching (unless you're playing as Kirby or someone else with a low crouch when facing a laser spamming Falco noob, ofc). I will mostly use this to confuse noobs anyways, as none of my mains has any use for it, sadly.

 

[goldemblem]

This stuff looks useful, the only think i find hard it's doing it, you have to be pressing to many buttons XD

 

[Melomaniacal]

I messed around with it in tournament play today. It's genuinely useful if you take the time and effort to utilize it correctly.

Uses I've found (assuming Fox, Z set to attack)

Sh B-air slightly outside of punish range > Hold Z > Single Waffle towards > F-Tilt.
Pressures shield, and the approach on the F-tilt is much faster than walking in, or Dash shielding.

Sh D-air to back of opponent, holding Z. If Shielded, Single waffle away, Ftilt in the opposite direction. Replace Ftilt with Dsmash/utilt if they dash toward you. If not shielded, combo as normal.

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If you think of the move not as a replacement for walking, but as a quick boost in one direction, with a full range of moves out of it, the practicality really shows. It's quite similar to WD'ing in usefulness. People who seek to approach with it 100% of the time are going to get punished extremely easy. It's in the sublety of it how people are going to be able to capitalize.

Exactly. To dismiss this as useless is, well... wrong. It opens up many things, and I can't see it doing anything but help when used efficiently.

 

[SuSa]

This stuff looks useful, the only think i find hard it's doing it, you have to be pressing to many buttons XD

Go play Melee Fox. That's to many **** buttons

 

[Minwu]

I thought Melee fox only needed 3?

 

[Mith_]

I opened this thread expecting delicious breakfast. =[

 

[M@v]

ehhhh...I havent found any practical uses for this. The ones I have found are very situational. Back to the drawing board....

 

[shadyf0o]

This technique is useless and impractical. At least as it stands now.

I'm fooling with it now to see what I can come up with.