does this have to be done automatically as you land or is it a ballpark stroke that can be done pretty close to when you land.... I don't think I'm quite getting it, what should I be noticing that feels different?
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Forward teaches Falco
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Shouldn't be so sarcastic.You're so helpful forward.
ummm on topic....peach's jab can cancel out any of falcos approaching shffld aerials haha, whata *****
so avoid that n stuff
Black Hayate
Smash Lord
the main problem i have, marth's utilt, other can do like 5 times to me and i can't DI out, how do you DI that.
btw i often saw someone do a shine the jc asap, i can jc asap, but the attack won't come out, am i doing anything wrong?
btw i often saw someone do a shine the jc asap, i can jc asap, but the attack won't come out, am i doing anything wrong?
mathos
Smash Champion
DI towards Marth for the utilt. Are you sure the shine isn't hitting b/c its hits on its first frame.
Black Hayate
Smash Lord
i mean the shine hit, then i jc, but the aerial attack won't come out that fast so it dosen't hit
Xx GuNz xX
Smash Journeyman
Maybe you're trying to get the attack out so fast that you attack before you JC.
mathos
Smash Champion
That would be the only reason for it. You're probably just hitting the dair before you actually jump. Unless you just aren't pressing the button.
videokilledtheradiostar
Smash Journeyman
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whats better RSHL or shl, WD,shl,WD?
Truedge930
Smash Apprentice
Forward, how do you mix up going for spikes as part of edgeguarding? Empty double jump fake outs, shoot some lasers to force them into a part of the area? Say when fighting someone with annoying recovery like Samus, Link or Peach?
Bass.
Smash Journeyman
Forward, who wins the majority of you and Taj? Do you know Tim (Eggm) aswell?
forward
Smash Champion
It's situational really. I use RSHL when I need to escape danger. WD shl is more for baiting out an attack. So, I suppose WD is better because you are more likely to follow up with a hit, but they are both good.
Each of those character have tricks about ledgeguarding them. Against Samus you will have to shoot lasers above the stage to make her fall while bombing. You want her low, that way you can go for a ledge guard, where you can possibly land a spike, among other things. There's no way to keep Peach from coming from above the stage, so your best bet is to just ledge guard with B air. If she stays out of range and goes for the ledge, that is your chance to spike. Against Link, the best way to land a spike is a full jump spike, you can even fall off the stage with it.
Taj and I go back and forth, and it depends on who we play. Somenights I win the majority of the matches, other nights he does, we are 50/50. I always seem to beat him in tournaments, but I think it's because he always uses Fox against me in tourney.
I don't know Eggm, but I do know Demised, who is also named Tim... so unless he changed his name...
Bass.
Smash Journeyman
So you're admitting that falco is better than fox? Lol, me and my brother have this argument all the time. It seems the majority think falco is better, but maybe it's just the way he plays, but his fox seems more punishing. The **** shines!
Is the Tim you're thinking of a Yoshi player? He goes to school out there in AZ but lives in NJ. He's always coming home and preaching about Taj being the god of all smash players.
Since you're answering questions. I'll add on one myself. How exactly do you get the double laser spam from jumping off of the edge? What's the usefulness of it aswell?
Is the Tim you're thinking of a Yoshi player? He goes to school out there in AZ but lives in NJ. He's always coming home and preaching about Taj being the god of all smash players.
Since you're answering questions. I'll add on one myself. How exactly do you get the double laser spam from jumping off of the edge? What's the usefulness of it aswell?
JFox
Smash Hero
Can you tell me percents at which you shine combo Fox/Falco, and what is the best way of doing it.
I know zang likes Shine>WD>Shine at low percents, but than others don't do that. And at what percent can Fox escape that, and what are you supposed to do from there?
I know BS uses the double shine to Dair. What do you like to do?
After the lower percents, do you like to uses Uairs to combo? What percents do you start and stop those?
I am mainly concerned about the first 70%.
If you are to reply, much appreciated, and thanks in advance.
I know zang likes Shine>WD>Shine at low percents, but than others don't do that. And at what percent can Fox escape that, and what are you supposed to do from there?
I know BS uses the double shine to Dair. What do you like to do?
After the lower percents, do you like to uses Uairs to combo? What percents do you start and stop those?
I am mainly concerned about the first 70%.
If you are to reply, much appreciated, and thanks in advance.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Idk, what people mean but can u maybe help Forward. I was watchin myself play some matches and most say, I'm good, and above average when it comes to my Falco game, only cuz my technical skill is very good, but they say me mindgames are ****!n horrible or that I have none. What exactly are mindgames? And what are good mindgames to use in matches vs people?
JFox
Smash Hero
You can't really teach mindgames. Its just something you get from experience, especially with upper level players.
Mindgames is thinking about what your opponent is going to do before he does it, essentially. So if you notice your opponent usually rolls behind you, you punish by knowing where he is going and counterattacking.
Mindgames is making sure your game is varied so that your opponent cannot foresee your next move. You may even have good enough mindgames to make him think you will do one thing, he will react, but than you do what he didn't expect and than exploit his wrong anticipation.
For example- You are Marth and you grab Fox, and start CG'ing. He likes to stop DI'ing at 23-29% to try and interrupt your chaingrab with a shine. So you are kneeing him, giving him time to realize he is about to get up thrown. He lets go of the direction and gets ready to mash the down and A asap. Rather than throw and hope he simply misses the shine, you throw in a curve ball. You Fthrow rather than u-throw, he misses the tech because he is not expecting the fthrow, and you get a free smash, or you can simply DD and grab him when he tries to get up.
This is a mindgame. You are constantly watching your opponent to try to pick up habits, and than thinking ahead and see his habit coming, and than counterattacking. This sort of mindgame is more of a mindgame trick, something that works on a bunch of people. Other mindgames can just be something you do on the spot after picking up on someones game.
If you have no mindgames, you usually play like you are on cruise control. You just let your fingers play, but you don't do much thinking. These are the sorts of players than don't do so well against smart players. They are too easy to punish for bad habits. Try to vary your game more, don't be repetitive.
I hope this helped.
Mindgames is thinking about what your opponent is going to do before he does it, essentially. So if you notice your opponent usually rolls behind you, you punish by knowing where he is going and counterattacking.
Mindgames is making sure your game is varied so that your opponent cannot foresee your next move. You may even have good enough mindgames to make him think you will do one thing, he will react, but than you do what he didn't expect and than exploit his wrong anticipation.
For example- You are Marth and you grab Fox, and start CG'ing. He likes to stop DI'ing at 23-29% to try and interrupt your chaingrab with a shine. So you are kneeing him, giving him time to realize he is about to get up thrown. He lets go of the direction and gets ready to mash the down and A asap. Rather than throw and hope he simply misses the shine, you throw in a curve ball. You Fthrow rather than u-throw, he misses the tech because he is not expecting the fthrow, and you get a free smash, or you can simply DD and grab him when he tries to get up.
This is a mindgame. You are constantly watching your opponent to try to pick up habits, and than thinking ahead and see his habit coming, and than counterattacking. This sort of mindgame is more of a mindgame trick, something that works on a bunch of people. Other mindgames can just be something you do on the spot after picking up on someones game.
If you have no mindgames, you usually play like you are on cruise control. You just let your fingers play, but you don't do much thinking. These are the sorts of players than don't do so well against smart players. They are too easy to punish for bad habits. Try to vary your game more, don't be repetitive.
I hope this helped.
NadaisaGod
Smash Apprentice
For number 3, you forgot Link. Powershielding is one of the only methods Link has of getting around it, and he's reliant on projectiles. My Link is, anyways. Lasers contain Link a little too nicely for my comfort level.
FalseFalco
Smash Master
How do you beat samus' upb? It's too good for words.
forward
Smash Champion
Samus up b, my sworn enemy, and an enemy to all falco players lol.
Basically, up b is a defensive move for Samus, so when she lands it on you, you're aggressing at the wrong time. However, if you stop yourself from attacking when they are prepared to up b, you will gain the upperhand.
Keep Samus on the ropes, keep her afraid of your attacks, keep her on defense. Just when they think they know that you aren't attacking, go for the attack. Shuffle spike into up throw. With good timing you can beat out samus's sex kick with an up tilt when falls towards you.
Basically, up b is a defensive move for Samus, so when she lands it on you, you're aggressing at the wrong time. However, if you stop yourself from attacking when they are prepared to up b, you will gain the upperhand.
Keep Samus on the ropes, keep her afraid of your attacks, keep her on defense. Just when they think they know that you aren't attacking, go for the attack. Shuffle spike into up throw. With good timing you can beat out samus's sex kick with an up tilt when falls towards you.
Shwn
Smash Journeyman
Don't read that Carl.
vietgamer1021
Smash Journeyman
yep my falco need work
when i try to "condensed pillar" (SH-dair to shine repetitively possibly keep fox/falco in that small area or break shields) i cant pull off the fast fall for some reason i sh dair, then i press down/hold it but i dont FF fast enough to shine w/out being shieldgrabbed. is there a specific timing on the FF or the dair, or am i not l cancelling properly?
when i try to "condensed pillar" (SH-dair to shine repetitively possibly keep fox/falco in that small area or break shields) i cant pull off the fast fall for some reason i sh dair, then i press down/hold it but i dont FF fast enough to shine w/out being shieldgrabbed. is there a specific timing on the FF or the dair, or am i not l cancelling properly?
forward
Smash Champion
You should stop trying to pillar. WD behind them after a shine. After that you can do another shine, which can lead to other things, you can up tilt, turn around an grab, shl. More and better options then going for a pillar.
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
lol umm...im kinda new but may i ask....whats ff and uaring? and pillaring and all that mumbo-jumbo?
mathos
Smash Champion
ff = fastfalling
uairing = using an up air
pillaring = the shield pressure techique, specifically performing a short hop fast falled dair l-cancelled into a shine in repetition.
uairing = using an up air
pillaring = the shield pressure techique, specifically performing a short hop fast falled dair l-cancelled into a shine in repetition.
Black Hayate
Smash Lord
do you WD in the spot after then utilt? or some aerial attack then utilt
yo foward, you said earlier in the thread that all falco's aerials are good, so do you have any good use for the fair?
[GMC]C2
Smash Journeyman
how do you do a ledgehopped bair and grab the ledge again ?
i use to be able to, but i fergot
i use to be able to, but i fergot
forward
Smash Champion
Black Hayate: WD behind them and then up tilt with ur back turned to them.
Macman: You can use shuffle f airs similar to shuffle n airs but they have less knock back, so they can set up for an f smash better. Sometimes I'll use them in a full jump, and land about 3 hits. It's sets you up underneath them for an up tilt which is pretty nifty.
C2: Really fast
Macman: You can use shuffle f airs similar to shuffle n airs but they have less knock back, so they can set up for an f smash better. Sometimes I'll use them in a full jump, and land about 3 hits. It's sets you up underneath them for an up tilt which is pretty nifty.
C2: Really fast
Link226
Smash Ace
yo forward.....i have a pretty good falco....i can do most things a pro falco user probably does...but i have 1 problem...i cannot ****ing shl correct. I mean i can do it...but i cant do it low....i have read the threads here about shl but it doesnt help me out...info coming from u might tho 
o and by the way i have been trying to pillar but it seems almost impossible...i kno u dont seem to like it but can u tell me how to do it, cuz im pretty sure u kno how? i kno u need to jc shine....but it that all? cuz i do jump and shine but i can only do 2 because im in the air by the time i do the second shine.
o and by the way i have been trying to pillar but it seems almost impossible...i kno u dont seem to like it but can u tell me how to do it, cuz im pretty sure u kno how? i kno u need to jc shine....but it that all? cuz i do jump and shine but i can only do 2 because im in the air by the time i do the second shine.
Wuss
Smash Champion
yea [GMC], you just have to jump at the exact second that you get off of the ledge and do the back air at the same time...
[GMC]C2
Smash Journeyman
Ohhh, I guess it just doesn't work with the C-stick, it works just fine with the analog stick though, I was doing it the same with the C-stick and I would just fall down, even when it was supposed to grab on
forward
Smash Champion
lol r u serious?yo forward.....i have a pretty good falco....i can do most things a pro falco user probably does...but i have 1 problem...i cannot ****ing shl correct. I mean i can do it...but i cant do it low....i have read the threads here about shl but it doesnt help me out...info coming from u might tho
o and by the way i have been trying to pillar but it seems almost impossible...i kno u dont seem to like it but can u tell me how to do it, cuz im pretty sure u kno how? i kno u need to jc shine....but it that all? cuz i do jump and shine but i can only do 2 because im in the air by the time i do the second shine.
practice shl
don't pillar
Zander805
Smash Ace
Hey Forward How Do I Become Pwn With Teh Lazer?
forward
Smash Champion
Replace certain attacks such as shuffles with lasers and you will own
Zander805
Smash Ace
Thank You ^____^
mathos
Smash Champion
Wait a minute, Forward I thought you didn't like lasers? Wasn't that the point "Drephen's ZOMG Mathos' laser are amazing" thread?
Zander805
Smash Ace
Forward Has Taught Me Teh Ways Of Uber Laser Pwn
forward
Smash Champion
No, I just like to argue sometimes that's all.
Zeus-oz
Smash Rookie
My only advice : Don't get hit
( and don't give me crap because it says I'm a "smash n00b" . I've been playing/training in smash for 6 or so years. I simply never had an interest in smash boards untill Triforce from Empire Arcadia recomended this site )
( and don't give me crap because it says I'm a "smash n00b" . I've been playing/training in smash for 6 or so years. I simply never had an interest in smash boards untill Triforce from Empire Arcadia recomended this site )
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