hungrybox
Smash Legend
come here falco
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Data Falco Matchup Thread
- Thread starter FalcoMatchups
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Doomblaze
Smash Journeyman
I dont see you Bairbox, but i am definitely here.
can we get some peach match up advice in here
As soon as I learn the Peach matchup/play it more, then sure.
Mogwai probably knows it lol.
Mogwai probably knows it lol.
CrypTik
Smash Journeyman
Looking forward to that. Peach is like my worst matchup.
What about Luigi? He's such a odd character that I don't know what to do....
X1-12
Smash Champion
Lazor...
It'll take him 10 times longer to approach than other chars cause of his crap air speed and run speed - h has to WD which gets interrupted by lazors
fuuuuuuuuuuuu, Peach and Luigi are two matchups I know pretty well...........
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
soooooooooooon
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
soooooooooooon
CrypTik
Smash Journeyman
Well, I actually never played Luigi with my Falco but I see how that could work. But still I'm looking for more detailed advice. Maybe a whole matchup section for them on the first page whenever you guys have time. I for one would really appreciate it.
The match-up I really want some help with is Peach. I usually start off real strong. Keep them away with some lasers. But if I even mess up once against her I usually lose a stock. It's just really annoying.
Kawasari Mimoto
Smash Cadet
Waiting for a matchup info/guide on Falco VS Ice Climbers that likes to play gay and wobble constantly. >_>
lol fsmash and beware approaching with aerials
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
I don't care what people say, Falco beats the Icies handily if he's not stupid.
Doomblaze
Smash Journeyman
"Let’s say you’re below the platform when Falcon techs onto it. Stand directly under the center of it(if you get there quickly enough). If Falcon/anyone techs in place or rolls toward the edge facing the blast zones, then you can just FH Bair him. If he misses the tech you can punish him too, my bad. If he goes toward the middle of the stage then you can Nair him if you think it will send him offstage or try to DJ Dair him and punish based on DI if you react quickly enough. A shine WL onto the platform is also an acceptable option at lower percents. Be wary of shining an opponent who missed a tech though, because they sometimes get into that really floaty state where you can’t combo them. It’s all hit-or-miss there in my experience. There’s probably a certain timing for when to shine them but I couldn’t tell you what it is."
can you update the floaty part with the whole character missing a tech when hit by a move that does less than 8% damage when its stale concept? People were talking about it on page 68 on PP's advice thread and now we know why it is so.
can you update the floaty part with the whole character missing a tech when hit by a move that does less than 8% damage when its stale concept? People were talking about it on page 68 on PP's advice thread and now we know why it is so.
Oh yeah, thanks for that man. I'll update that within a day.
DaAnimeKidTooch
Smash Cadet
great thread,really helped with the fox match-up
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Mogwai KOs Peaches off the roof at 180% with U-tilt like it's his job.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
***CONTROVERSIAL DISCUSSION POINT***
Falco 55:45s Marth, Puff AND Sheik.
He's 50:50 with Fox though.
Falco 55:45s Marth, Puff AND Sheik.
He's 50:50 with Fox though.
numbers are dumb. I think I'm gonna ban you for that post 
. Also, the Fox even with Falco thing is SO a year ago, get with the times, Falco wins again.
. Also, the Fox even with Falco thing is SO a year ago, get with the times, Falco wins again.
otg
Smash Master
I personally never thought Falco ever lost his advantage, such a stupid one sided matchup/character.numbers are dumb. I think I'm gonna ban you for that post
X1-12
Smash Champion
What do you think about CC D-tiling agianst someone's get-up attack? mainly against characters that you will gain nothing from grabbing?.. it also means if they roll you can chase better
just cc fsmash
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Fiiiine.numbers are dumb. I think I'm gonna ban you for that post
***CONTROVERSIAL DISCUSSION POINT***
Falco has a slight advantage on Marth, Puff AND Sheik.
He's even with Fox though.
I think in a tournament setting, Falco's will win on the most part just because it's so much harder to be consistent in the matchup but I think its even if both are on their game fully, not like Super Theory Bros. good, but feasibly good and it can be equal.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
i think falco is even with fox and marth
and has the advantage on sheik and puff. Puff is mad overrated in the matchup imo.
Falcos have been switching to fox for years to fight jiggs so the falco vs jiggs metagame is so underdevelopped imo and while i think fox is BETTER at the matchup, i still think falco also has an advantage.
I refuse to believe falco vs marth is anything BUT even. when the marth knows how to deal with lasers well it gets like a billion times harder. A powershielding marth is by far the scariest opponent ever because his fair and grab out of powersheild is just ****. And with marths now fairing out of laser la gin the air its even tougher. Obviously falco has some good things in this matchup but the common idea over the last 2 years is that falco wins the matchup but imo its dead even.
and has the advantage on sheik and puff. Puff is mad overrated in the matchup imo.
Falcos have been switching to fox for years to fight jiggs so the falco vs jiggs metagame is so underdevelopped imo and while i think fox is BETTER at the matchup, i still think falco also has an advantage.
I refuse to believe falco vs marth is anything BUT even. when the marth knows how to deal with lasers well it gets like a billion times harder. A powershielding marth is by far the scariest opponent ever because his fair and grab out of powersheild is just ****. And with marths now fairing out of laser la gin the air its even tougher. Obviously falco has some good things in this matchup but the common idea over the last 2 years is that falco wins the matchup but imo its dead even.
I kind of want to post about dittos, but I want to learn a little more about them first....maybe I'll write about them after CEO(if I go).
I guess I know enough about ICs(I've played Chu enough anyway lol) to write about them, but that seems sort of silly when I have lots of higher tiered characters I should write about.
I guess I know enough about ICs(I've played Chu enough anyway lol) to write about them, but that seems sort of silly when I have lots of higher tiered characters I should write about.
DAftFlip
Smash Journeyman
<3 PP and Mow for such a **** thread. I've learned alot already.
mow got banned
really? for what
talking back to the man
not a joke
not a joke
what the ****? Mow isn't related to this thread, I am ****it!
unknown522
Some guy
if you're playing well, this matchup is really easy.
Peach just cherrypicks off mistakes/technical fail, like jiggs and ICs/low tiers.
wait, people though falco wins vs marth? I thought that people thought it was the other way around?
Sion
Island of Horizon
i think falco/marth is even. i've played it enough to know how it usually goes.
is there any advice on falco vs sheik? maybe it's just me that has problems with sheik, but sheik's shield is soooooo scary aka nair out of shield
is there any advice on falco vs sheik? maybe it's just me that has problems with sheik, but sheik's shield is soooooo scary aka nair out of shield
mix in double shine more if shes gettin yu with nair oos and fade back instant aerials as well. and don't be obvious with your approaches
Sion
Island of Horizon
i think i got nair'd out of a shine grab. is that even possible?
on topic: yeah, i figured i'd have to be a lot smarter on shield against sheik, but i don't think that's the main reason i have a sheik complex. i have so much trouble getting things started against sheik because her weight is so weird, and just getting that shine in is hard, not to mention i don't even know what stage is good vs sheik. i think i'm just scared of the matchup because i've never played sheik that often.
on topic: yeah, i figured i'd have to be a lot smarter on shield against sheik, but i don't think that's the main reason i have a sheik complex. i have so much trouble getting things started against sheik because her weight is so weird, and just getting that shine in is hard, not to mention i don't even know what stage is good vs sheik. i think i'm just scared of the matchup because i've never played sheik that often.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
FD is good vs Sheik I think. And Pokemon Stadium.
unknown522
Some guy
don't worry, it's not just you.
I hate that you have to predict good sheiks + play perfect like all the time.
Anyways, do you have any specific problems? Because I don't feel like typing a whole breakdown of the matchup atm (not at home right now).
Ben-Teezee
Smash Apprentice
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**** thread. im loving it. u guys make me want to come back to competitive smash.
Sion
Island of Horizon
i get dthrow'd, what kinds of choices do i have? it seems like sheik covers basically all of my options after a dthrow. that, and i have a problem with positioning myself against sheik. i don't know how to explain it very well, but i always get pressured by spaced nairs/fairs/ftilts and that usually leads to my death. i find myself an utter mess against sheik.