Explaining to a friend that Lucas is not a clone.

[Finferno00]

One of my friends is kind of an idiot and doesn't like that Lucas is coming back instead of snake. Obviously, every one of his statements says: "Lucas is just a clone" I've tried time and time again to explain to him his moveset but he's very stubborn and bias at times. He says he'd even rather have wolf in the game, saying that the weight differences is the diffence between fox and wolf.

What are some major differences to explain Ness and Lucas's relationship?

 

[Aunt Jemima]

This should probably be asked in the social thread. While we don't have (or need) a dedicated thread for questions right now, this kind of question would do well over there. It'd probably get a bit of discussion going.

@Spirst?

 

[Schnee117]

Sounds like a guy that judges based on Specials.
Lucas' Smash Attacks are different to Ness' (sans the Branch/Baseball Bat), he has the Rope Snake for his grabs (and a tether recovery like Samus and Link) and has different attacks overall.

Snake has little chance of coming back due to issues with Kojima (the reason Snake's even in Brawl) and Konami.

Also welcome to Smashboards. Enjoy your stay.

 

[XCounter]

Don't even bother. I had the exact same discussion with someone yesterday to no avail. Some people just refuse to look past his special moves (which still have pretty big differences) and are quick to label him a clone, so just let them.

 

[Khao]

Leave him be.

It's not your fault if he only attacks using the B button and nothing else.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Is my internet 2slow, or is Reserved 2fast? Anyway like he said this is a question better asked in the social, rathe than in its own thread. I'll go ahead and C+P my comment on the subject tho

Yeah, semi clone is probably the best term. What I mean is that Wolf and Fox were only clones in terms of their specials, and even then the similarities were mostly superficial. The same thing is going on with Ness and Lucas. They both have a PSI Magnet which absorbs energy, but Lucas's has a damaging hitbox at the end. They both have a PK Fire, which sends out a little thunderbolt and burns people, but Lucas's is more of a disrupter rather than a setup like Ness's. They both have PK Thunder, but Lucas isn't ****ed if somebody intentionally goes out and gets hit by PKT1. They both have an exploding, chargeable PK attack, but Lucas's is faster, weaker, and I mean just has a totally different hitbox.

Then we move into standard attacks, and aside from FSmash they're totally different.