Does anybody use aerial force palm? And Force Palm L-Cancel

[CaliburChamp]

I was using it a bit in training mode. Usually, I start off with a string of f-airs during a full hop, then I double jump, and do a reverse aerial force palm, it does anywhere from 7-10 percent damage. Force Palm does 3 different types of damage
1. Force Palm Grab
2. Force Palm on the ground, counts as a projectile.
3. Aerial Force Palm, does more damage than the grounded one.

Would you guys think it would be worth looking into?

 

[Fizzle]

Aerial force palm is bad... very bad. Luc always has a better option than using aerial FP. In your example, a nair or dair following the fair string is safer and could actually finish your opponent off.

Although, on very rare occasions I'll run off platforms and FP flame. Try it on Lylat. Right when the match starts, run off your platform and FP flame. Sometimes it's just so random that it'll catch your opponent off guard.

And, yes, I know I stole that from Milln. xD

 

[Raiken]

I use it every now and then and it's not bad for mixing stuff up, but i don't think it's really worth looking into much.

 

[Rebonack]

Sadly it's just too slow to be useful in most circumstances, Lucario has better options in the air, as has already been pointed out.

Throwing it out as a short-hopped approach can catch people off-guard now and again, but it really isn't much in the way of a staple.

Lots of start-up. The hit-box doesn't really linger at all. And an uncomfortable amount of cool-down at the end. Pretty much always better off with Bair if you want an air attack with reach.

Sad but true.

 

[Ilucamy]

The only way it can be utilized is though B-sticking / Wavebouncing and that's just for the momentum change, otherwise, due to lag it's pretty much useless in the air. On the ground is a different story (yes, the flame part)

 

[phi1ny3]

I only use it at high %'s on occasion due to the trajectory and for being moar unpredictable, but it's not recommended for use, as it's pretty crappy and laggy.

 

[Samuelson]

The only time i use FP in the air is if i do it on accident which does happen at times.

 

[dguy6789]

I do it on occasion, yes. It serves only as a mixup though.

 

[Kitamerby]

The only time i use FP in the air is if i do it on accident which does happen at times.

This.

I've never liked Float Palm.

I've gotta try that platform-walk-off float palm, though. It sounds fun. :D

 

[Timbers]

Retreating fair to forcepalm flame is seriously the only remote use I've found for it, and even then it's nothing amazing.

 

[Saki Zatoichi]

I managed to kill someone with an AFP before. They were trying to get back on the stage and I meant to AS, but accidentally hit > B.

 

[Silvran]

I was about to say, I think I've seen someone (Milln?) Edge guard with it fairly well. Other than edge guarding, I don't see much use for it though... someone please prove me wrong and find a use.

 

[M@v]

main thing I use force palm for is to combo with a-a-forcepalm. If they are a heavy guy, you can get off the a-a-forcepalm chain. I use fair any time you could use aerial forcepalm.

 

[CaliburChamp]

I managed to kill someone with an AFP before. They were trying to get back on the stage and I meant to AS, but accidentally hit > B.

What percentage was Lucario and your opponent at?

Also grounded FP, it may me a good edgeguarding move, on certain stages like Lylat if the ship tilts at the right angle and if your opponents edgehog isn't too low.

Regarding FP, I came up with a good starting combo for it. Attack with a string of f-air, land behind your opponent while they shield, press side b FP grab, the instant you use it as soon as you touch the ground, it cancels your landing lag. I did this a few days ago and tested it out some. It seems like right when you use side b as you touch the ground it registers it as a aerial force palm, then the frames you touch down on the ground cancels the lag because it overides the landing lag changing the move into a grab rather than a aerial FP. Its like L Canceling, but you hit side b instead of L or R.

 

[TK Wolf]

Doesn't fair end before you land anyway? I don't think that counts as lag canceling.
I'll test it out when I get the chance though.

 

[Tyrael64]

L-cancel? What madness do you speak of?

 

[Samuelson]

I use Aerial FP as a mixup when i'm on the ledge on FD and FD only. I might use it on BF at the very start of a match...run off the platform and use FP, there's a chance you might hit your opponent with it. Other then those 2 very situational things i don't ever use FP in the air unless it's on accident.

 

[TK Wolf]

Anything specific about FD that makes you want to use FP there?

 

[Samuelson]

Yeah because you can jump off the wall and then use FP as you jump off of it. It catches lots of people off guard.

 

[TK Wolf]

Yeah because you can jump off the wall and then use FP as you jump off of it. It catches lots of people off guard.

Oh I see. Do you use that instead of bair because of extra range?

 

[Samuelson]

I wouldn't say i use it instead of Bair i just use it as a mixup. It's also safer since the FP spaces you backwards.

 

[Timbers]

this title...

 

[Raiken]

I'm not going to try and pretend like i know much about technical stuffs, but even i'm wondering what the deal is with the L-Cancel part of it.... > _>

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Hmmm... can you ISJ with Force Palm? Like with Sonic and Bowsers side-bs.

 

[TK Wolf]

Hmmm... can you ISJ with Force Palm? Like with Sonic and Bowsers side-bs.

I know it was tested, and I think the answer was 'no'. Actually, it must be, because if the answer was yes, we'd be using it at least on occasion. ^^;

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Aww... That'd be neat.