Diddy Kong [Old] General Match-Ups

Twin_A · Feb 4, 2009

Due to the ability to gimp pits wings with bananas and DDK's fair and bair I wouldnt put this matchup above 60 in Pits favor. His camping and ledge game can be frustrating but patience can help overcome that.

chimpact · Feb 4, 2009

I know we aren't discussing D3 atm. But if you grab release him on the edge. You can try to barrel spike him since he has such bad aerial speed. However, it isnt really that effective since, d3 doesn't go that low. After a grab release, he can use one jump to get above you or to the ledge. If he uses one jump you definitely won't have enough time, but if he uses two I think you might be able to footstool him.

DFEAR · Feb 4, 2009

Twin_A said:
Due to the ability to gimp pits wings with bananas and DDK's fair and bair I wouldnt put this matchup above 60 in Pits favor. His camping and ledge game can be frustrating but patience can help overcome that.

i seriously need help with that how do i attempt to counter a pit in that situation? if the pit spams arrows what should i do (throwing a banana to hit him works but doesnt stop the spammage and the peanuts help greatly but his arrows are faster :\

any advice?

Dark Ryu · Feb 4, 2009

^Try to counterpick a stage thats smaller so it would be less distance to travel to reach the Pit player. Once you close the distance between you two, try to combo or rack up all the dmg% you can. If the pit player tries to abuse his quick smash attacks to separate you two, then just try to predict when he will smash and shield it. If you had a banana in your hand remember you can glide toss out of your shield if his smash attacks ended up pushing you to far from him.

All I can think of at the moment... sawrry.

TheEliteSmasher · Feb 5, 2009

I don't know why you all need a matchup thread when you all can just spam bananas. and have the qadvantage

Tachyon · Feb 5, 2009

TheEliteSmasher said:
I don't know why you all need a matchup thread when you all can just spam bananas. and have the qadvantage

GTFO the Diddy Boards please.

Ok my estimate of 70-30 was mostly to high but as I mentioned I was still missing some advantages that Diddy had on Pit. I don't play against Pit a lot. But I would still say that this matchup is in Pit's favor.

Twin_A · Feb 5, 2009

Smaller stage is one way I deal with Pits. Also try slowly approaching them as they camp the edge. Not easy but just hop over one at a time and get within a decent range to set something up. Easier said than done but remember, you know where his attacks are coming from and odds are he'll fall into a rhythm so predicting shouldnt be too bad. Try to set up two bananas on the edge so if he drops and grabs one then odds are he'll slip up on the other.

ADHD · Feb 6, 2009

Let's discuss pikachu. Diddy is a solid counter, pika has NO way to get into physical contact with diddy and has to strive to get grabs and land autocancel'd fair combos. Diddy is also very good at avoiding the thunder jolts, and you can just jump over them and throw a banana or shoot a peanut (and believe me you wouldn't think it but the peanuts/banana throws over the thunder jolts hit quite a bit.) If you can maintain a constant pressure on pikachu and limit his space he is pretty much doomed. I feel this is the one matchup that is almost unbeatable for pikachu if you really know how to handle it. I am not exaggerating this. Not to mention pika's trip animation is so punishable XD

chimpact · Feb 7, 2009

I can't DI the Dsmash for my life....<_<

Dark Ryu · Feb 7, 2009

yoshididdy said:
I can't DI the Dsmash for my life....<_<

Easy, just smash DI up. As for pika, I really have no experience in this matchup

ADHD · Feb 7, 2009

yoshididdy said:
I can't DI the Dsmash for my life....<_<

Hold up, and tap the c-stick up.

DFEAR · Feb 8, 2009

i still feel quite at a huge disadvantage against pit. what can a diddy possibly do to stop the ***** we call pit o-o? his ledge camp is outrageous. how do we stop it?

Twin_A · Feb 9, 2009

I played a pit this weekend and had a similar problem because all this player did was ledge camp and arrow. Fortunately it made for great practice with this. Again it's just a patience game to beat him. Smaller stages are great for this, but again just take your time and set up for a shield grab or something for whenever you get close and they attempt to drop then attack you. If you see them grabbing the edge then dont hesitate to put on the pressure and get over there. I also found that a well place peanut on the edge works nicley to take them off of it or slow them (even if its for a moment thats all you really need).

I'm not familiar with the pikachu match up but perhaps these will help. AZ is a great diddy player as we all know and Anther is one of the best pika's too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pti3l-kgHV8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rdSusBgYw8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N892LbPlDyE&feature=related

Hope it helps

ADHD · Feb 9, 2009

If you get in pits face or he sees you holding a banana near him he'll stop spamming. Just get in his face and don't spotdodge often, his grab sucks so he won't be grabbing you too much as trying to swat you away with his sword so he can recamp.

T_E_S · Feb 11, 2009

yoshididdy said:
I can't DI the Dsmash for my life....<_<

Shut up. Maining 2 gaY CHARS LIKE THAT WTF IS wrong with you?

T_E_S · Feb 11, 2009

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Tachyon · Feb 14, 2009

Whew. Ok. I re-read through all the matchups and stuff again and I was just wondering.

How did Diddy get 7th/A tier when I've been reading so many bad/even matchups?

And Are we still discussing pika or are we moving over to something else?

Diddyknight · Feb 14, 2009

its now ike...
space him wit banana xD

TreK · Feb 14, 2009

how do you fight a Lucas ? I seriously have no clues, and i know france's 2 bests lucas... i NEED to know

How do you avoid those uairs/utilts at low % ? How do you consistently avoid pk fayahs and wands ? How do you edgeguard them ? PLZ HELP T_T

Tachyon · Feb 14, 2009

Spot dodge or space the pk fires. You don't have to worry about his Psi magnet since your projectiles can't be absorbed. Be wary of his Usmash since it's powerful but it has a slow start up and has a decent set of ending lag. Watch out for the pk thunders he could use to edge guard. keep him on the ground since yours is better and the only real aerials you need to be wary of his is Bair and Nair. he fair is crap in my opinion and his dair does have some decent priority over things like utilts and usmash. Basically comes down to spam bananas, shield and punish. Shouldn't be TOO difficult.

You're going to have a hard time gimping Lucas, at least compared to ness, because of pk wave jump thing and the pk wave bounce (i think that's what it's called.), and the fact that just jumping into his pk thunder ball won't stop it. So your best bet to gimp Lucas is side B.

Vyse · Feb 14, 2009

I'll carry discussion over to a new character soon.
What do you guys want to discuss?

Lucas? Pit?

CrAzYdRuNk · Feb 14, 2009

Pit would be nice.

Player-1 · Feb 14, 2009

I think Ice Climbers would be an interesting discussion, my 2nd option would be Pit

Tachyon · Feb 14, 2009

We did already have a mini discussion on pit a few pages so I guess we could continue it. Or we could move to ice climbers but I wouldn't have any knowledge to add in on that topic.

ADHD · Feb 14, 2009

pit's easy

DFEAR · Feb 14, 2009

chrome can u seriously help me with pit. cuase i can never have breathing room and try to reverse the momentum of the match to my favor :\ i tried to backwards banana gimp him/stage spiking all to vain O_< thank god there might be a rule down in florida cuz of danny that you can only hold the edge ever so amount of times

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and i say discuss pit some more for a page then ice climbers.

ADHD · Feb 15, 2009

Just DI his fsmashes. Be careful about throwing it at his reflector, that angel ring is slow so you can just jump over it and throw a banana from behind him. Spam is annoying, but it's not like it's unavoidable. Pit has trouble against diddy midrange if he has bananas, he just wants to swat you away so he can recamp so don't let him do that.

DFEAR · Feb 15, 2009

ChromePirate said:
Just DI his fsmashes. Be careful about throwing it at his reflector, that angel ring is slow so you can just jump over it and throw a banana from behind him. Spam is annoying, but it's not like it's unavoidable. Pit has trouble against diddy midrange if he has bananas, he just wants to swat you away so he can recamp so don't let him do that.

ah im understanding it now. thanks chrome that actually helped a ****load

Emo^Wolf · Feb 19, 2009

psike said:
Snakes mortar slide doesnt work if you have bananas on the stage which makes him much slower. Diddy also can spike him 3 different ways- I think it is at least even.

im barely starting to pick up diddy but alot of my crew lays snake so im wondering hpw are the 3 ways to spikke snake??? and i also heard about the forward B when snake is recovering or something? can someone help me out and comment me on my pagee cuz i might loose track of thisss lol thnksss

Kaptain Kong · Feb 19, 2009

theres rocket barrels, dair, and diddy hump release or jump

Emo^Wolf · Feb 20, 2009

Kaptain Kong said:
theres rocket barrels, dair, and diddy hump release or jump

so the down part of the barrels spike him right??? and the Dair and can you do the forward B (the hump) to snake when hes recovering with his Up B???

Kaptain Kong · Feb 20, 2009

yeah, but most good snakes recover away from the stage and high, so you cant usually land it

DFEAR · Feb 20, 2009

and why would u side b if you can just cypher grab him and then spike if he survives that xD. much easier

and who are we talking about now o-o im so lost lol

Kaptain Kong · Feb 20, 2009

ummm, i think its pit or lucas
im not really sure

fsdfsdgsgdf · Feb 20, 2009

DFEAR said:
and why would u side b if you can just cypher grab him and then spike if he survives that xD. much easier

and who are we talking about now o-o im so lost lol

Um how is that easier?

side b will spike him and if he does not die it should send him down far enough to where they have to c4 themselves any ways.

if you cypher grab them, they will c4 them selves and DI to where u cant spike them unless you jump way off stage and that is not safe

Diddyknight · Feb 20, 2009

soundslike snake now....banana all nades as much as you can xD will help with the nade campers

DFEAR · Feb 20, 2009

Suspect said:
Um how is that easier?

side b will spike him and if he does not die it should send him down far enough to where they have to c4 themselves any ways.

if you cypher grab them, they will c4 them selves and DI to where u cant spike them unless you jump way off stage and that is not safe

daredevils kills ftw >=D besides they have hitstun from c4. pull off a Nanerz and just ff spike them

Kaptain Kong · Feb 20, 2009

you mean from the c4 right?
and yeah, i love risky kills too
if they do recover low, i would just grab them and let them go lol

DFEAR · Feb 24, 2009

can we continue on to the next character o-o?

Kaptain Kong · Feb 24, 2009

we need Vyse to come tell us who to discuss

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