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I had been talking about this too. But what stops a player from changing his custom sets right before and after a match? You could institute a rule that says that TO's and officials can check your equipment at anytime that payers must agree to.
Yeah, I think the ideal way to do it is for the Wii U version, the TOs should just precreate common character setups, then name them with the generic naming convention (ie, 1112, 1312, etc). I highly doubt most characters will have more than 10 sets they want to use, most characters probably only have 1 or 2.
Well, if you let someone get their hands on your console, they can put it in their pocket and leave the tournament and sell it on ebay, which is a much surer way to make cash in a douchebag way than beating whoever is second best after you're DQed. But this sort of thing is why I don't propose blacklisting as a penalty, only DQ.
No it isn't, something like this would still be grey.
While I see what you are saying about the not leaving your console unattended (which is obvious and tbh not a major concern of mine anyway) them stealing the console is significantly riskier than them creating a custom set lol.
You're right. Well, you can still sell all items with more - than plus. Or is it sufficient to sell all defense AND agility with more - than plus?
That all sounds fine. I don't really understand the hype for release day tourneys personally, I prefer to practice a game then compete in it in that order, lol.
The simplest answer would just be sell all equipment, period. Granted, I don't think it's that much of an issue on Wii U, where you can't create your character in secret long before the match starts.
You can have a balanced equipment set that has effects on them and it will show grey circle.
Players who want to use unusual custom sets might use DS upload though. And so there theoretically you might want to sell all equips to prevent douchebaggery.
We can't just tell everyone who brings in a console to sell their equipment. What if they enjoy messing around with it or has family members who enjoy it? It's terrible to tell people that want to help a tournament that they have to give up a part of the game completely.
That line referred to Wii U tournaments, though I didn't do a great job about making that clear.
Sakurai said that because he lumped equipment and Custom Moves in the same screen, so it's hard to run "Competitive Style" (FG) when suddenly Ganon is outpacing Sonic.
After getting this "pulse", what ruleset are you planning to run? I'm curious about how the discussion in this thread are influencing rulesets.Yes, this is why I came here initially - I host tournaments and want a better pulse on the competitive scene. Watched
Not really. Dark Fists gives you about as much distance as Dark Dive, if not a bit more, and the armor on it can save you from a potential gimp. The distance isn't spectacular, but it's decent and it's dangerous to challenge it directly, and when combined with Wizard's Dropkick you can make it back no problem most of the time. It's still perfectly fair because Ganon has nothing really safe in neutral and relies on hard reads to get in on people, so he needs the ability to kill early and die late to have a chance against the rest of the cast. It would be really stupid and broken on someone like Sheik, but given Ganon's weaknesses the move is perfectly fine.
Ask someone to transfer custom sets onto the Wii U from their 3DS. Any 3DS will do. Yes, you can't edit them but there are a lot of slots available for combinations if people prefer one set over the other (and in this early meta, many people are going to latch onto popular sets). And this is an issue that will only really exist for the first few months (I give it three). Eventually, a majority of people are going to have all customs unlocked.
And he has a custom Wiz Kick that recovers better, anyway. What's the point of attempting to balance his raw power with bad recovery if you give him a dive kick that almost goes straight horizontal?
It's a 45-degree angle, hardly horizontal. It's also 3% weaker, and can't be used for spike gimps.
Not really? If a setup for some reason doesn't have everything unlocked, *and* someone wants to use a locked move, *and* they or no one has ever transferred a set to it before, you just take a minute to transfer it via a 3DS. That's a lot of ifs, with a quick and easy solution that solves the problem permanently and doesn't require a TO.
It's actually not "permanent", since it doesn't unlock the moves, it just transfers that specific setup. If someone else wants a different setup using a move that's not unlocked they would also have to transfer it.
Right, it's only permanent for that set. Fortunately, many competitive players will seek the same set(s) on a given character.
That's assuming everyone has the 3DS version, which isn't always gonna hold true. I have friends that don't, and one that's just borrowing a Japanese 3DS and version of the game until he gets the Wii U one.
Not everyone needs a 3DS. All it takes is any 3DS and it will transfer to the Wii U version.
It would probably involve planning the custom combos in advance using popular player lists, but it's not impossible.
Yes, but you'd have to constantly go to that 3DS and edit the moves if you don't have them the way you want them. Time is of the essence, and if I have to go to another tourney that eats up nearly 12 hours of day time, I'm probably just not gonna go to them anymore. Smash can have up to hundreds of players as we've seen before, and we're already pushing it with this 3 stock/8 min + bo3 rule set (which I still argue against). This type of stuff just makes things take longer than they should.
There really doesn't have to be just one 3DS with all customs you know. There can be multiple 3DS, and besides not all customs are created equal, and a lot of them really aren't immediately useful in this early meta without proper experimentation, and it's obvious that certain combos will become popular choices. It shouldn't be too hard to narrow something down.
We do really need a liberal stage list to start out. The 3DS version showed that starting small and adding doesn't work. There definitely needs to be stage bans at the beginning though. We can't have stages like Palutena's Temple legal because it's obviously banned, and will just encourage people to complain.
I agree with cutting out the obviously bad stages like Palutena's Temple but it would still be good to formalize the reasoning, if only to help draw a clear line between "ban from the start" and "give it a few test runs." Do we want to ban Pyrosphere off the bat? Gamer? Jungle Hijinxs?
Sakurai lumps custom moves and equipment under the same bucket, so you can't deduce custom moves are unbalanced from that statement. Either way it's not like he's a good judge of 1v1 balance, what with the only stage being Final Destination. In practice custom specials aren't broken.
