Character Discussion Thread

[Spinosaurus]

[Words of agreement from every competitive Melee player sound in the distance]

Admittedly, Fox and Falco are probably my favorite top tiers in any fighting game. They're fun to use and watch (for the most part) lol.

Meta Knight is just boring.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

If he is changed to be more like Fox, he should at least keep his kicked Reflector.

 

[Morbi]

If he is changed to be more like Fox, he should at least keep his kicking Reflector.

Everyone hates the kicking reflector though. I doubt Sakurai would reclone Falco just because competitive Melee players like him. I mean, I suppose it could happen.

 

[Spinosaurus]

If he is changed to be more like Fox, he should at least keep his kicking Reflector.

That's actually my biggest beef with Brawl Falco lol. I loved his shine in Melee, such a good move for set ups. His shine is in Brawl is just a poking tool.

 

[Bauske]

Again, Meta Knight may have been overpowered in Brawl, but he is an important and popular Nintendo character. He's worth the time and effort of nerfing. Also, referring to Brawl's priority list, he was the most prioritized newcomer next to Wario. Cutting him is unlikely since he is likely a high priority character again. Also important to mention...
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An image Sakurai drew during very early development of Smash 4.
I would think all of the characters included were being worked on at the time, or at the very least planned to be in the game. A character like Meta Knight has no way of being cut from the get go, and being high priority I doubt time constraints would hurt him at all. Factor Halberd's return into that and you have a character with virtually no chance of being cut.

Looking at that artwork, I absolutely love Sakurai's style. It's adorable and extremely well done. Also, looking at it here, but it made me realize it's incredibly similar to the artwork of the character in the original Smash Bros. 64's instruction booklet. Did Sakurai draw all those character portraits back then? If so, that's pretty nifty!

 

[Morbi]

Looking at that artwork, I absolutely love Sakurai's style. It's adorable and extremely well done. Also, looking at it here, but it made me realize it's incredibly similar to the artwork of the character in the original Smash Bros. 64's instruction booklet. Did Sakurai draw all those character portraits back then? If so, that's pretty nifty!

I doubt it, those art styles are completely different in my opinion.

 

[Pacack]

Looking at that artwork, I absolutely love Sakurai's style. It's adorable and extremely well done. Also, looking at it here, but it made me realize it's incredibly similar to the artwork of the character in the original Smash Bros. 64's instruction booklet. Did Sakurai draw all those character portraits back then? If so, that's pretty nifty!

Wasn't Sakurai who drew it, actually. I don't know if it was the same artist or not, though.

 

[MargnetMan23]

My opinion on Meta Knight's alleged omission doesn't fit well in the context of Meta Knight's omission? Wat?

Well, looking at the definition, perturbed describes a slightly more agitated, anxious type of disturbance, which I'm not sure applies.

EDIT: eh, on second thought I guess it does make sense... forget I said anything xD

 

[Bauske]

I doubt it, those art styles are completely different in my opinion.

Maybe. A person's art style does develop over time, but the simplistic arms, legs, and faces seem similar to me, especially Luigi. Wish I knew of a way to find out.

 

[BluePikmin11]

How would you guys react if this was the Assist Trophy line-up?

Spoiler

If he is changed to be more like Fox, he should at least keep his kicked Reflector.

As long as they keep the D-Air for Falco back, I'll be happy.

 

[Will]

So,by looking at our hypothesis(es?),I can try to guess for what we want.

Meta Knight should probably be in between middle and light weight. He should be less fragile for his nerf. And his attack style wouldn't do much damage in one hit,however. Meta Knight is known from the last game as a swift,fast character who could land multiple hits. From how I saw it,he was more in control of his power in the air. So,he's basically the Anti-Little Mac? I think we found his rival. Well,Doc did say in the trailer the punch is mighter than the sword. Does Meta-Knight have a sword? Of course he does.

Any questions? No? Ridicules and negative judgements? Yeah,I can expect a lot of those.

 

[Autumn ♫]

How would you guys react if this was the Assist Trophy line-up?

Spoiler

As long as they keep the D-Air for Falco back, I'll be happy.

I'd be completely fine with it, with the addition of Raiden. Heck, it even leaves room for Vaati to be playable.

 

[Phaazoid]

did you guys forget knuckle joe

he was the best assist trophy

ever


edit : I am blind

 

[Spinosaurus]

How would you guys react if this was the Assist Trophy line-up?

Spoiler

As long as they keep the D-Air for Falco back, I'll be happy.

I'd say Bowser Jr. would be a boss with his mechs more than an assist trophy, otherwise this is good...except for Andy. He deserves better!

Loving the Muddy Mole and Nabbit recognition though.

 

[MargnetMan23]

How would you guys react if this was the Assist Trophy line-up?

Spoiler

As long as they keep the D-Air for Falco back, I'll be happy.

Well, other than the fact that I think a decent number of those still have legitimate chances to become playable... looks good.

EDIT: but it would make more sense to just keep generic advance wars troops instead of Andy in my opinion.

 

[Pacack]

How would you guys react if this was the Assist Trophy line-up?

Spoiler

I'd change a couple of things, personally.

Isaac to Matthew
Prince Richard to Prince Sable
No Paper Mario. Maybe Kamek instead?
I'd be sad about Bandana Dee, but he makes sense.
I'd cut Alph altogether. How about the Plasm Wraith instead?
Doshin would be weird, but I'd like it.
I think Dark Pit will probably be a recolor...
What would Ayumi even do?
Maybe give us Tails instead of Shadow for our Sonic Assist this time?
Tiki over Tharja, please.

Pretty good, but I'd honestly be a little disappointed if this was the final AT roster.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

How would you guys react if this was the Assist Trophy line-up?

Spoiler

As long as they keep the D-Air for Falco back, I'll be happy.

Well first off I'd be dissapointed that Issac and Anna weren't playable
And Second off I'd point out how C.TV Ga-PONG, really could use a different background.

But other than that I am fine with that Assist Roster.

 

[Will]

Prince Richard to Prince Sable

I think you just took it too far with BluePikmin.

 

[Starcutter]

Admittedly, Fox and Falco are probably my favorite top tiers in any fighting game. They're fun to use and watch (for the most part) lol.

Meta Knight is just boring.

Best avatar, only second to mine!

How would you guys react if this was the Assist Trophy line-up?

Spoiler

As long as they keep the D-Air for Falco back, I'll be happy.

Needs someone from Yoshi. If Kamek is a smash run enemy, maybe Raphael Raven?

 

[Spinosaurus]

Best avatar, only second to mine!

DK Gumshoe is seriously the best idea ever.

Lost it when I saw him in the Ace Attorney BITF comic.

 

[Morbi]

How would you guys react if this was the Assist Trophy line-up?

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As long as they keep the D-Air for Falco back, I'll be happy.

Ghirahim and Tingle as assist trophies? I believe that I am going to go into cardiac arrest.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Best avatar, only second to mine!

Needs someone from Yoshi. If Kamek is a smash run enemy, maybe Raphael Raven?

That's very unlikely to happen IMO. The closest I could think of that could happen to at least an AT is Baby Mario with his overalls.

 

[Pacack]

Ghirahim and Tingle as assist trophies? I believe that I am going to go into cardiac arrest.

Don't worry. Ganon's playable in their place

 

[Starcutter]

That's very unlikely to happen IMO. The closest I could think of that could happen to at least an AT is Baby Mario with his overalls.

Why not? He had a trophy in Melee. That's why I picked him!

 

[Pacack]

That's very unlikely to happen IMO. The closest I could think of that could happen to at least an AT is Baby Mario with his overalls.

How about Stork?

 

[Morbi]

Don't worry. Ganon's playable in their place

Okay, I feel much better. False alarm, it was just heart burn. Actually Ghirahim and Tingle as assist trophies would make me very happy. I feel as though Legend of Zelda should more thoroughly saturate everything in Smash.

 

[AustarusIV]

How would you guys react if this was the Assist Trophy line-up?

Spoiler

As long as they keep the D-Air for Falco back, I'll be happy.

I'm completely fine with that. There's never been a particular AT that I really wanted to see in a Smash game, but you have some interesting choices.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Why not? He had a trophy in Melee. That's why I picked him!

He did?
What about Pak E. Derm?

How about Stork?

As much as I would love to see Stork in some form, I don't think he's happening as an AT.

 

[Pacack]

He did?
What about Pak E. Derm?

As much as I would love to see Stork in some form, I don't think he's happening as an AT.

Pak E. Derm would be awesome. Just trolling everyone by getting in their way.

 

[Starcutter]

He did?
What about Pak E. Derm?

As much as I would love to see Stork in some form, I don't think he's happening as an AT.

Pak E Derm should return as a background character in the Yoshi's Story stage. Since we know Melee stages are back, anyways.


Stork would be cool too but I have no idea what he would do as an assist.

 

[Will]

Pak E. Derm would be awesome. Just trolling everyone by getting in their way.

So,place him where-ever,and he won't let anybody under or above him pass?

Yes. Yes. 10/10 would use again.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So,place him where-ever,and he won't let anybody under or above him pass?

Yes. Yes. 10/10 would use again.

He would be the ultimate edge-guarder if you ask me.

 

[Pacack]

So,place him where-ever,and he won't let anybody under or above him pass?

Yes. Yes. 10/10 would use again.

Exactly. It's perfect.

 

[Will]

For a Yoshi AT,why not the final form of Baby Bowser from the SNES version? It would be similar to Andross,except for two feats :

1.He targets,then throws his big fireball

2. All go individually based on how many characters there are (2 opponents? 2 fireballs for each of them)

 

[Rockaphin]

As long as:

Get nerfs then I'm ok. Although I'd rather see some characters buffed before that.
I really really really want to use:

but alas they aren't the best. No where near it either. It's always my favorites!

 

[Joe D.]

You know what i've always wondered? Why did Sakurai pick Elec-man out if all the robot masters for assist trophy status? I mean, he looks great for where he is, but I wonder why he picked him specifically.

 

[Andinus]

Meta Knight felt so great in Brawl, it'd be a shame if he was nerfed with lag or shortened duration of attack. Maybe removing that transcendent priority for some of his attacks would do the trick?

My guess is he is being changed A LOT, moves getting nerfed is for sure, not to mention no more gliding.

 

[MargnetMan23]

As long as:

Get nerfs then I'm ok. Although I'd rather see some characters buffed before that.
I really really really want to use:

but alas they aren't the best. No where near it either. It's always my favorites!

Well PT is disconfirmed basically, I mean, Ivysaur and Squirtle could come back but whatever.

EDIT: on the subject of Elecman, he's probably just Sakurai's favorite or something.

 

[Pacack]

You know what i've always wondered? Why did Sakurai pick Elec-man out if all the robot masters for assist trophy status? I mean, he looks great for where he is, but I wonder why he picked him specifically.

Maybe hopefully there are multiple Assists for third party franchises.

 

[Morbi]

As long as:

Get nerfs then I'm ok. Although I'd rather see some characters buffed before that.
I really really really want to use:

but alas they aren't the best. No where near it either. It's always my favorites!

I main the entire F-Tier. So yeah, I wouldn't mind some buffs.