Character Discussion Thread

[Zap tackle]

I can understand putting Uprising content in, but JHC, there's a limit. The series has more enemies in Smash Run than even Mario.

I can agree that Bowser needed a revamp as well. When you picked Bowser in Melee, the game just laughed. I appreciate his overhaul, but is it really too much to ask to fix his voice as well?

Agreed. Additionally, having three reps when certain series such as DK and Metroid only have two reps seems extremely unfair. I probably don't have to mention this knowing that such topics have likely been done for ages, but it does seem odd nonetheless.

Also Bowser's voice really does need to reflect off the Mario series moreso than some muffled variation of Godzilla (as it sounds to me personally). I appreciate Donkey Kong's voice (as it's similar to DK's voice in the DKC games), but Bowser really needs a voice change now.

I'm truly am curious as to how Bowser Jr. will sound now in Smash knowing that Bowser still has the same voice from the previous Smash games.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Do not cut megaman and greninja. Absolutely not. Not my fav pokemon and my childhood hero. Never. Cut mario, luigi, peach, bowser, link, the rest of the original 12 and rob. Take them instead. Please understand.

Excuse me, what?

I can't tell if you guys think I'm kidding. But yeah, Ice Climbers should be in before them. Especially Greninja.

 

[Gre ninja'd]

Excuse me, what?

Disregard him, he obviously doesn't get that rosaluma is a BETTER version if the ice climbers. In all seriousness, I'll miss the ice climbers, but getting rid of so many newcomers for them is absurd, especially when they offer more than ice climbers can

 

[Xzsmmc]

Ghetsis as a pokemon trainer alt

Would love it. The villains are always my favorite Pokemon NPCs.

To be fair, the move-set is subject to change. I do believe that we are being a little hasty operating under the assumption that he has "no changes." Did we see all of his normals in the game-play footage? No. In that event, it is not objectively true as of current. Even if we did see all of his attacks return, I would defer to my first point, the game-play footage is not necessarily what we are going to get in the final build.

It's quite possible that he's been changed, especially since the game was rated a few months ago. My main worry comes from the fact that the few normals we did see from him appear to aesthetically unchanged. Doesn't bode well overall.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

How about this guys, what if you can add more stuff to the game, but you have to wait until the beginning of the next year to play the 3DS version, the Wii U version gets delayed even further, because the game gets delayed?

Would you do it?

 

[Xzsmmc]

I'm truly am curious as to how Bowser Jr. will sound now in Smash knowing that Bowser still has the same voice from the previous Smash games.

That never even crossed my mind. If he has his regular voice, yet Bowser is still going all kaiju on us, that'll be really awkward.

How about this guys, what if you can add more stuff to the game, but you have to wait until the beginning of the next year to play the 3DS version, the Wii U version gets delayed even further, because the game gets delayed?

Would you do it?

In a heartbeat. Been waiting three years, I can wait a little longer, especially if it means an overall more pleasing game.

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

Cutting Little Mac, Rosalina and Luma, Duck Hunt Dog, Bowser Jr., Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, Mega Man, Pac Man, Wii Fit Trainer, and Greninja for the Ice Climbers to return.

This isn't a compromise, it's a massacre.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I can't tell if you guys think I'm kidding. But yeah, Ice Climbers should be in before them. Especially Greninja.

Still, that kind of joking?

 

[Morbi]

Disregard him, he obviously doesn't get that rosaluma is a BETTER version if the ice climbers. In all seriousness, I'll miss the ice climbers, but getting rid of so many newcomers for them is absurd, especially when they offer more than ice climbers can

It depends. I would sacrifice every single newcomer on the roster for Dark Pit's inclusion. Sometimes you cannot deny one of your favorite characters. Ice Climbers must mean a lot to him.

 

[NeonBurrito]

Cutting Little Mac, Rosalina and Luma, Duck Hunt Dog, Bowser Jr., Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, Mega Man, Pac Man, Wii Fit Trainer, and Greninja for the Ice Climbers to return.

Nah man, Duck Hunt Dog, Mega Man, and Little Mac are pretty cool.
everyone else can go though /s

 

[Gre ninja'd]

How about this guys, what if you can add more stuff to the game, but you have to wait until the beginning of the next year to play the 3DS version, the Wii U version gets delayed even further, because the game gets delayed?

Would you do it?

I would add Freddy, slender man, shrek, groose, notch, red robin, light pit, deep pit, shallow pit, med student mario, n, Reyn, master chief as all new unique characters, then Ridley as a charizard clone

 

[The Light Music Club]

Disregard him, he obviously doesn't get that rosaluma is a BETTER version if the ice climbers. In all seriousness, I'll miss the ice climbers, but getting rid of so many newcomers for them is absurd, especially when they offer more than ice climbers can

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Are you really saying that Mario deserves to get seven characters while Ice Climber loses ALL representation? I think its really dumb that a classic character from Nintendo who has been in the Smash series since 2001 should be considered worse than a character who is younger than the Gamecube.

Ice Climbers are more deserving than all the characters I mentioned except for maybe Duck Hunt and Little Mac.

 

[Gre ninja'd]

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Are you really saying that Mario deserves to get seven characters while Ice Climber loses ALL representation? I think its really dumb that a classic character from Nintendo who has been in the Smash series since 2001 should be considered worse than a character who is younger than the Gamecube.

Loses all representation. They have the polar bear in smash run

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

Honestly, the only one of those I would cut is Dark Pit. To hell with that guy.

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Are you really saying that Mario deserves to get seven characters while Ice Climber loses ALL representation? I think its really dumb that a classic character from Nintendo who has been in the Smash series since 2001 should be considered worse than a character who is younger than the Gamecube.

Ice Climbers are more deserving than all the characters I mentioned except for maybe Duck Hunt and Little Mac.

You have to remember, they're only being cut due to technical limitations. But yes, a cat turd is more deserving than Dark Pit. Wolf and Lucas are ESPECIALLY more deserving than Dark Pit.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Loses all representation. They have the polar bear in smash run

Playable representation. Who gives a darn about a stupid Polar Bear in a mode people will stop playing in two years?

 

[Oracle_Summon]

It depends. I would sacrifice every single newcomer on the roster for Dark Pit's inclusion. Sometimes you cannot deny one of your favorite characters. Ice Climbers must mean a lot to him.

I could. As badly as I want Ridley, Isaac, and King K. Rool, I cannot and will not cut other characters for their inclusion especially if it is these newcomers:

 

[Gre ninja'd]

Honestly, the only one of those I would cut is Dark Pit. To hell with that guy.

If he's a clone, put him back in that mirror. If not, then I would be happy with his inclusion. And I get your unhappy that the ice climbers may be gone and mario gets 7 reps, but we should look at the underprivileged metroid and kd fans now and hope for the best for all of them, including ice climbers. But rosalina is better imo. Rosalina=waifu

 

[Zap tackle]

Ah, the potential axing of the Ice Climbers...

I really hope it's not true. I truly don't want to believe it. I've used the Ice Climbers as my primary characters since Melee and I absolutely adored their game as a kid. It truly would be a great loss to me if they're cut.

I sure hope they're added as DLC if this proves to be the case...

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I would add Freddy, slender man, shrek, groose, notch, red robin, light pit, deep pit, shallow pit, med student mario, n, Reyn, master chief as all new unique characters, then Ridley as a charizard clone

You forgot someone:

Spoiler

 

[The Light Music Club]

It depends. I would sacrifice every single newcomer on the roster for Dark Pit's inclusion. Sometimes you cannot deny one of your favorite characters. Ice Climbers must mean a lot to him.

It's not that I even play them that much, or even love there game. It's just that it's not Smash without the Climbers. Had they not been in Brawl, I'd probably be okay with them gone (honestly I thought it was crazy they were in Brawl). But once you've been in at least two Smash games (Melee and Brawl mean around 13 years of Smash) you mean something to the franchise, and should stay for good.

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

If he's a clone, put him back in that mirror. If not, then I would be happy with his inclusion

If he's NOT a clone, I will strangle a child.

 

[Morbi]

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Are you really saying that Mario deserves to get seven characters while Ice Climber loses ALL representation? I think its really dumb that a classic character from Nintendo who has been in the Smash series since 2001 should be considered worse than a character who is younger than the Gamecube.

Ice Climbers are more deserving than all the characters I mentioned except for maybe Duck Hunt and Little Mac.

Ice Cilmbers are more deserving than Dark Pit? Talk about a paradox.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Ice Cilmbers are more deserving than Dark Pit? Talk about a paradox.

Considering that the Ice Climbers are the only playable characters representing their series, then yes I would think so. If Dark Pit is gone, then Pit and Palutena will carry on to showcase the Kid Icarus Uprising series.

 

[Gre ninja'd]

Ice Cilmbers are more deserving than Dark Pit? Talk about a paradox.

I think that dark pit probably shouldn't be playable, and ice climbers are much more deserving, dark
Pit is definitely an interesting choice, especially if he was initially planned.
Ice climbers will be missed, even if I didn't really like how they played, it just won't be the same without them.

 

[Morbi]

I think that dark pit probably shouldn't be playable, and ice climbers are much more deserving, dark
Pit is definitely an interesting choice, especially if he was initially planned.

Dark Pit is an interesting choice, even more interesting than the Ice Climbers, I would wager.

Considering that the Ice Climbers are the only playable characters representing their series, then yes I would think so. If Dark Pit is gone, then Pit and Palutena will carry on to showcase the Kid Icarus Uprising series.

It is not about representing the series though, it is about that characters inclusion. As someone else stated, there will still be Ice Climbers content. You do not "need" a character to represent a series. Dark Pit is not just another Kid Icarus character, he is Dark Pit.

 

[CJ Falcon]

Dark Pit is an interesting choice, even more interesting than the Ice Climbers, I would wager.


It is not about representing the series though, it is about that characters inclusion. As someone else stated, there will still be Ice Climbers content. You do not "need" a character to represent a series. Dark Pit is not just another Kid Icarus character, he is Dark Pit.

He's just another Pit. That's even worse.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Ice Cilmbers are more deserving than Dark Pit? Talk about a paradox.

Ice Climbers have been in the Smash Franchise for 13 years, and have been in two of the games. They are the main characters from a classic NES game. They also added a very original play style to the series.

Dark Pit, has never been in a smash game before (except as a palate swap BEFORE he was even a character), will most likely be a clone, isn't the main character from his game, isn't from the classic entry from his series, and will more likely than not never be seen in another game unless a new developer picks up the franchise. He won't be remembered 20 years after Uprising.


Bottom Line is that Dark Pit brings practically nothing with him. Not even history. He's a lazy choice, and doesn't deserve to be playable.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

It is not about representing the series though, it is about that characters inclusion. As someone else stated, there will still be Ice Climbers content. You do not "need" a character to represent a series. Dark Pit is not just another Kid Icarus character, he is Dark Pit.

Still, a playable character is the best inclusion a series can get in Smash. Taking them out, but leaving their content would be insulting, it would be like taking out Captain Falcon.

 

[Gre ninja'd]

Dark Pit is an interesting choice, even more interesting than the Ice Climbers, I would wager.


It is not about representing the series though, it is about that characters inclusion. As someone else stated, there will still be Ice Climbers content. You do not "need" a character to represent a series. Dark Pit is not just another Kid Icarus character, he is Dark Pit.

I agree with that you don't need a character to represent a series, such as animal crossing in brawl. I do expect ice climbers to be some sort of dlc though, and other cut characters to be along with them. If you could add any character that has 0 chance of being playable in, who would it be?

 

[Morbi]

Ice Climbers have been in the Smash Franchise for 13 years, and have been in two of the games. They are the main characters from a classic NES game. They also added a very original play style to the series.

Dark Pit, has never been in a smash game before (except as a palate swap BEFORE he was even a character), will most likely be a clone, isn't the main character from his game, isn't from the classic entry from his series, and will more likely than not never be seen in another game unless a new developer picks up the franchise. He won't be remembered 20 years after Uprising.


Bottom Line is that Dark Pit brings practically nothing with him. Not even history. He's a lazy choice, and doesn't deserve to be playable.

That is not true, I will remember Dark Pit twenty years after Uprising.

Still, a playable character is the best inclusion a series can get in Smash. Taking them out, but leaving their content would be insulting, it would be like taking out Captain Falcon.

True. However, we must remember, if Ice Climbers are indeed cut, it is for a good reason. Sakurai did not maliciously remove them.

He's just another Pit. That's even worse.

Not necessarily, "worse," but I suppose the notion is subjective.

 

[The Light Music Club]

That is not true, I will remember Dark Pit twenty years after Uprising.


True. However, we must remember, if Ice Climbers are indeed cut, it is for a good reason. Sakurai did not maliciously remove them.


Not necessarily, "worse," but I suppose the notion is subjective.

No it's not for a good reason. They'd be removed since the 3DS can't handle them, and Sakurai doesn't have the guts to make them Wii U exclusives. He was too much of a wimp to not reveal Dark Pit since he knew how many people would rage over it.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

True. However, we must remember, if Ice Climbers are indeed cut, it is for a good reason. Sakurai did not maliciously remove them.

Though I still don't understand the notion that Ice Climbers being more deserving than Dark Pit is paradox.

 

[Morbi]

Though I still don't understand the notion that Ice Climbers being more deserving than Dark Pit is paradox.

It is a paradox because I do not agree.

I agree with that you don't need a character to represent a series, such as animal crossing in brawl. I do expect ice climbers to be some sort of dlc though, and other cut characters to be along with them. If you could add any character that has 0 chance of being playable in, who would it be?

Isabelle from Animal Crossing. I fell in love with her character quite recently and it saddens me that she is relegated to assist trophy status.

 

[Gre ninja'd]

Let's get off the dark pit discussion and discuss something else, I remember how heated the arguments could be, so why not shift over to maybe a second possible retro, such as Mach rider, or maybe a really obscure character be in the last few characters remaining. @ Morbi Isabelle is my choice also, I would rather have her than Killager.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

It is a paradox because I do not agree.

Well ain't that the comment of the hour.

Let's get off the dark pit discussion and discuss something else, I remember how heated the arguments could be, so why not shift over to maybe a second possible retro, such as Mach rider, or maybe a really obscure character be in the last few characters remaining.

How obscure are we talking here?

 

[The Light Music Club]

Let's get off the dark pit discussion and discuss something else, I remember how heated the arguments could be, so why not shift over to maybe a second possible retro, such as Mach rider, or maybe a really obscure character be in the last few characters remaining

It's Ridley/King K, Mewtwo, Wolf, and Ice Climbers. If it isn't those four then I'm done with Nintendo.

 

[Gre ninja'd]

Well ain't that the comment of the hour.

Don't argue, you won't win, he'd sacrifice anything for dark pit to be in the game
@ Oracle_Summon just any unlikely character, or a character no one expects, like mewtwo or Ridley

 

[EmceeEspio]

I agree with that you don't need a character to represent a series, such as animal crossing in brawl. I do expect ice climbers to be some sort of dlc though, and other cut characters to be along with them. If you could add any character that has 0 chance of being playable in, who would it be?

It would be my wishful thinking to have Geno in the game.

 

[The Light Music Club]

I agree with that you don't need a character to represent a series, such as animal crossing in brawl. I do expect ice climbers to be some sort of dlc though, and other cut characters to be along with them. If you could add any character that has 0 chance of being playable in, who would it be?

Viridi or Ashley would be the best. Lyn would be kind of cool but I'd prefer the 1% chance Micaiah and .1% Astrid, Elincia, Mia, Illyana, Jill, and Sanaki.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

It would be my wishful thinking to have Geno in the game.

I agree. Square Enix is not doing anything with Geno. They might as well give him up to Nintendo.