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Speeding Bike can nab hilarious kills near the ledge. Rose-Scented Waft is huge and still kills, and charges faster than normal Waft to boot.
Any of the "easier to use but less effective" customs. Fiery Jump Punch is one such move, but Marth/Lucina also have Effortless Blade and Easy Counter while Villager has Pocket Plus.
Spinphony.
Pocket Plus has uses in matchups where Villager wants to hold onto an item (banana peel, gyro, etc) but not throw it as it then has no drawbacks. I think the move still has invincibility, right?
Yea, while other customs may have niche and weak uses, spinphony is downright punishing you for using it unless you used it absolutely perfectly to avoid punish... and even then, it only gains you like 1% and maybe some positioning or troll points.
Speedy Bike has its disadvantages, but high BKB lets it score really early edgeguard KOs (like 20%), and, well, it's speedy.
I believe Olimar's custom neutralB pikmin do this? I haven't looked into it myself though, don't quote me on that. Something about the pikmin not running forward to grab iirc
High Jump for Yoshi. A better recovery, but no Eggs. I'd rather have the Eggs since most of the time I'll make it back on stage. Granted, it's not terrible, but the default is better (HJ could also be used in a matchup where Eggs aren't completely useful, but still I'd rather have a projectile).
Double post, sorry. Banish this to the Shadow Realm, please.
Does HCP have anything over the default (minus the ease of control), such as increased distance? If so, would the slower speed make the distance increase negligible?
The second spurt has more distance, slower speed makes it negligible most of the time but on occasion it can let you go deeper to edgeguard. I should probably rephrase "offers no benefits" to "offers the worst, most situational benefit of any custom". Potato potahto, really.
I'd beg to differ since the reverse (a custom that may not offer literally no downside but instead a situational one that makes it generally always worth using, like Power Vision) is something I tend to harp on whenever people talk about customs being straight upgrades. Although I will agree that situational-bordering-on-useless upsides can make a custom basically worthless.
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At least bouncing has a bit more range and decent for gimps. Otherwise it sucks. No real reason to use it over normal or iceball.
Yeah and that's why Mewtwo is so... underwhelming. If he were mid weight it would be different but when you're so light and so large it basically means even characters like Sheik have no problem KOing.@NachoOfCheese What can I say? I actually changed and got more serious (now that I started playing Link and Mac).
Truth be told, however, Mewtwo is held back with its low weight and floaty nature, which would be good if some opponents just didn't have those absurd KO moves (Ganondorf, Bowser, Dedede and Mac are examples). It's a severe hindrance to it, and if heavies have rage on them, Mewtwo players would need to get that KO quick or they will be KO'd quick.
@Ikes Ganondorf vs Jigglypuff isn't much of a low tier MU, but a mid-tier. However, I say Ganondorf wins, because Jigglypuff hates Rage. Once Ganondorf hits Rage, you need to KO him early, or he can literally KO you at 0% with a total of 3 attacks by then (Warlock Punch, Flame Choke Suicide and U-Tilt Shield Break). Plus, Ganondorf has more range and disjoint on his attacks than Jigglypuff, and trying to use U-Air below Ganondorf means you want to be KO'd quickly.
Heavy Dancing Blade actually is quite useful in FFAs, probably in teams as well. Completely useless in singles though, no argument there.
Guard Breaker is amazingly good. Armor starting like what, frame 9 up to the hitbox duration. You literally cannot gimp Mac out of this unless you have a command grab or a windbox. He is otherwise completely guaranteed to reach the ledge when he uses this move.
burying bike is so much better IMHO
if he does it out of hitstun or while going the other way, it has literally no horizontal distance and he just plummets downwards. you have to wait for hitstun to end or your momentum to change to even perform this, which will often be too late.
Dizzy Whistle hits the opponent two times: the first does 0 damage and causes little hitstun, and the second does 1% w/ no hitstun, spins the opponent around, and applies a windbox that generally draws the opponent to Olimar.
So? I don't care about using it stupidly. As long as you are careful about avoiding the dumb momentum glitch, Guard Breaker guarantees you grab the ledge as long as you didn't DI poorly, in which situation you would be dead against any good player frankly regardless of which specials you were running.
this isnt DI, this is literally if you're not moving forward at a significant speed. If you're just out of hitstun, not moving, or moving backwards, your gaurd breaker will plummet you to your death. THIS ISNT A BUG, IT'S AN INTENDED FEATURE OF THE MOVE.
DI correctly, Jump, airdodge, then SideB. Problem solved. You will reach the ledge because you have 9001 frames of armor unless your opponent has a windbox or a command grab. IT'S REALLY SIMPLE. Don't use it stupidly. Guard Breaker is an amazing move for Mac's recovery as it lets him actually recover against lingering hitboxes without risking getting baited from using Counter and still dying.
Because I'm sure StylesX2 was doing none of these, right?
Who cares if you get hit out of your jump and your name is Little Mac? You are DEAD in that situation no matter what you run. Why are you bringing up stuff that is completely irrelevant?
Why are you so angry?
Caveat to my input being that I don't really use Peach, but Heavy Veggie gives me Weighted Header vibes (a custom I thought was bad until I played against it). Weighted Header is likely better in most circumstances since it doesn't require you to sacrifice general use of your aerials and is faster to prepare (and said preparation doesn't require a ground commitment). That said, Heavy Veggie gives the user slightly more flexibility in timing since item tosses are quick, and you can control the trajectory. Peach is also in a unique position to hold an item and still freely use aerials thanks to her float, which could create some very deadly traps when combined with Heavy Veggie.
That seems strange, do you know why that is?
Because we're literally talking Smash Bros Brawl Dojo 101 basics here. Stuff that people have known for four generations. And here we have a player that literally is demonstrating they don't know how a basic recovery works in spite of it being extremely publicly available knowledge.
There is never a time where getting angry on a forum isn't embarrassing, my friend.
jesus christ someone's salty about something
dunno why you have to be aggressive, I know how to recover in this game. But guard breaker is straight up worse simply by its mechanics. It's still gimpable (ESPECIALLY if your opponent has a horizontal windboxed move) goes a shorter distance, forces you low at the end, and will force you to die if you use it when moving the wrong direction or out of hit stun. this is actually bad and you're actually wrong
Yes, let's extinguish flames with gasoline shall we?
Little Mac doesn't really need distance when recovering as long as he DIed correctly. He mostly needs mixups and safety, that's why everything you're mentioning is STRAIGHT UP IRRELEVANT. Like, seriously. Do you even play the game? Have you watched anyone play Mac? Mac's recovery sucks largely for being predictable and easily beaten by hitboxes. Let's get a few things straight.
Yes I do play the game. this move is actually bad. stop using ad hominem arguments to make yourself feel good.
it still has the problem that you cant activate the attack early so it's still a bit less varied and provides fewer actual options, it just makes shielding users more afraid of the attack, but they can still jump over or, or in some cases, crouch under it. I mean I'm not arguing that it's a worse move, but I cant see it as "better" either since it has somewhat fewer applications but with the benefit of being able to counter shields.
Pre-patch, Ike had these issues with Pikachu:
NachoOfCheese
Even if he was a middleweight, his floaty nature would just negate that. Samus can be KO'd relatively early off the top despite being a heavyweight, and it's all due to her floaty nature. (I KO'd a Samus at 50% on FG with Rage as Ganondorf with D-Spec. Hooray for trying to combo Ganondorf.)
Random person: what's competitive Smash 4 all about?