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I found out according to that survival rankings thread that zss has better overall survival capabilities when hit to kill than sheik even though sheik is heavier.
His jab is fine with the exception of the rapid jab 3 hitbox size. It's the lack of recovery frames on certain moves or actions that should be unsafe that make his jab so good. Have you ever tried to punish Falcon for doing a forward roll, or a whiffed up smash or down smash?
Oh this is interestingChange of pace since we praise our own characters a lot: who has the worst grab and throw games? And the worst of these:
Neutral?
Advantage?
Disadvantage?
Jab?
Tilts?
Smashes?
Aerials?
Default Specials?
Customs Specials?
Overall Specials?
Edgeguarding?
Recovery?
Defensive play?
Offensive play?
Kill options?
Rage?
I feel negative today.
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Optional: Rant of the day below.
Captain Falcon dittos are fun.
I thought you could store needles by pressing shield after you get max capacity needles? I'm pretty sure you can.Optional: Rant of the day below.
What about Luigi's Fireball? Or how if Falco's default Blaster functioned similarly to Rosalina's Shooting Star Bit or functioned at all besides making Triple D's Gordos look bad which isn't saying much, we'd actually have a decent, but not annoying projectile spammer like in Brawl or Melee. Hell, let's let him auto-cancel Blaster like in Melee, do you think he can pull the same **** like in Melee or freaking Brawl? Hell no. It would at least let him cover his approach or cover himself in general. You could let Fox auto-cancel his default Blaster too and it wouldn't mean much cause his Blaster since 64 doesn't stun, travel the entire length of Final Destination, and was able to shoot twice in the air. The fact it doesn't stun already made his Blaster not a freaking load of BS like in Brawl and even in 64, it still wasn't a BS projectile like Falco's in Brawl or Sheik's in SSB4 and I would even say Luigi's, but that's because it's pathetic when your projectile can barely say it's better than Gordos and here's the thing: Gordo's are more versatile and they can be treated as a projectile and a trap, so Falco's Blaster is already worst than Triple D's Gordos in terms of function, versatility, and how it flows with his kit.
There's a difference between functional and useful. Falco's Blaster is functional, but it's not useful when compared to Sheik, Rosalina, Luigi, Link, Duck Hint, or any character with a projectile. Dr. Mario's Pills are functional and useful as it helps his game without noticeable drawbacks like really stupid end lag and little reward and huge risk. Luigi can fire 2-3 Fireballs and weave in and out; Falco so much as shoots and someone with decent mobility is already there to shove their fist through his head or if you're Ganondorf, you can just tank them and laugh at who's below you now.
Captain Falcon dittos are fun.
Anyway, I don't remember Brawl, but what was Sheik's Needles like in Brawl? I know you couldn't store them in Melee (and PM), but you could in Brawl. Were they just as annoying or was there something like shorter range, more end lag, etc. that made them less annoying?
Exactly, customs haven't been fully explored yet, and the people that have explored them don't get a more important vote then people who haven't. So its pretty much a speculation list
Because there's pretty much zero people playing MK sadly, so people just sleep on him. Though there seems to be more MK's popping up recently. I'm pretty sure Peach and Shulk have an even skill cap, since they both have some interesting Advanced techs to them
It's been a while since a played Melee and I didn't mess with PM Sheik enough. Still, how does her Needles compare to past games or is this just something that was always like this, but people have less options against them now? I mean, Melee Ganondorf could move somewhat quicker and probably would not have much of a problem compared to current Ganondorf's dash speed.
Nah that's Jigglypuff, its hard to distinguish the 3 puff balls.
Ouch, can't even get away with C+ tierI don't think it's a terrible tier list considering it's community voted.
My main gripes with this list:
- Mii Brawler being where they are without access to Uppercut, Feint Jump and Heli Kick (probably just people not understanding what "no customs" mean...)
- Bit too low:
- Bit too high:
Sad that the puffs aren't played that much in this game.
neutral-Change of pace since we praise our own characters a lot: who has the worst grab and throw games? And the worst of these:
Neutral?
Advantage?
Disadvantage?
Jab?
Tilts?
Smashes?
Aerials?
Default Specials?
Customs Specials?
Overall Specials?
Edgeguarding?
Recovery?
Defensive play?
Offensive play?
Kill options?
Rage?
I feel negative today.
,,,,, (lol), (no one mentioned this?),,, i guess...,,,,, (bad grab, not throws), ,,,
People, you need to remember there are plenty of advocates that say even with customs off Miis should be able to use their moves since THEY STILL WORK WHEN YOU TURN CUSTOMS OFF. So there's a good enough chance that people still thought they'd have their moves on this list.
They did know it was customs off, it's just that everyone thinks Mii Fighters can use any moveset, even with customs off, which they should IMO, but for this tier list, they all use 1111 so they're all **** tier imo
Lol I was agreeing with the list. In fact, I was bored last night and even voted for it lel
lost some presence without his Bthrow easy kills. Now it reminds more like Brawl Sonic.). Curse you public opinion different from mine!.
What good are combos if you can't kill? No offense, but KOing your opponent in this game is kind of the most important thing, and if you can't do that, what good are you?
It can combo around 10% to 25% damage, with rage off. Timing isn't strict unless the opponent air dodges. Your opponent needs to respect Ganondorf whenever U-Smash comes up. You'll never know what may happen.
You are the first to get this right.grabs-
Too bad BThrow throws the opponent more up than back.
and (also and being in separate tiers ), and then the rest are probably actually not too far off where they could possibly be based on a viable human perception.
You can play "lame" and safe with Falcon as he has a good neutral for that, but it's not usually very effective. Falcon has to stretch his advantages as far as he can by conditioning, making reads and taking risks because his tools are designed to put the opponent into a bad situation and then finish them off when they select the wrong defensive option. His disadvantage is also probably the worst in the game so any decent character can wreck him the same way in return. The combination makes matches between Falcon and any other speedy or CQC character more fast paced than other MUs in the game on average, and it's the reason why so many people enjoy Falcon dittos and have him as a pocket character.
Link doesn't necessarily try to keep people out, he uses his projectiles to goad them into coming closer
I might sound dumb or lazy to check it out but, what does IASA mean ?
Interruptible as soon as frames.
Bair was one of Shiek's only good kill moves. Although it may seem minor, the nerf really hits hard because finishing is even harder than before.
Ah okay! I'm definitely gonna try and incorporate this!
That's definitely impressive. Is there another character that shares that kind of mecanic ?
Pac-Man's Fair
And his Dash Attack.
I don't know about you, but I saw a lot of fair in those matches
