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Grimmz

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Nov 23, 2011
Messages
462
black shadow probably wishes he can do that to falcon
 

enCouRaging Bear

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Dec 29, 2010
Messages
303
Location
asheville/chapel hill
yo screw P:M

we should just balance melee like this (well not quite like this but you get what i mean)

looks like a lot of fun

i would consider maining this character
 

odinNJ

Smash Lord
Joined
Mar 5, 2012
Messages
1,175
Location
NJ
jesus my eyes were not ready for this ,...
there should be a disclaimer in the title.
 

Jeyfar

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Feb 25, 2012
Messages
134
Location
Puerto Rico
Ganon still has the same weight so it's still a 80-20 match-up with Sheik ): lol chaingrabs
 

SypherPhoenix

Smash Lord
Joined
Feb 12, 2007
Messages
1,563
Location
Fairfax, VA
@SypherPhoenix: Did you already upload your hacks somewhere? I couldn't find them.
No, and I'm not going to upload Ganon. You can find the Debug Menu cosmetic mod here, along with my modified Rainbow Shine:

http://www.mediafire.com/sypherphoenix#qy9xlqj6z5j1v

The Rainbow Shine was simply updated to change the look of the first few frames of the shine as well.

Ganon still has the same weight so it's still a 80-20 match-up with Sheik ): lol chaingrabs
Oh man, you wish.
 

Willy OD

Smash Rookie
Joined
Apr 20, 2012
Messages
7
What's the list of changes ?
I see Falco's jump, more hitlag (not sure for knockback), Falcon's dashing speed and L-cancel lags, no lag on down B.
Anything wrong/else ?
 

SypherPhoenix

Smash Lord
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Feb 12, 2007
Messages
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Fairfax, VA
He's incomplete. Maybe after some cleanup I'll release him with my other characters.

(σ ̄ ³ ̄)σ

What's the list of changes ?
I see Falco's jump, more hitlag (not sure for knockback), Falcon's dashing speed and L-cancel lags, no lag on down B.
Anything wrong/else ?
Honestly, I don't really know exactly what was changed, as I didn't document it. His run speed is greater than Falcon's and while his DJ height wasn't copied from Falco, it does seem to be somewhere around there.

All of his attack hitboxes (afaik) have either lightning or darkness effects attached to them, which was done to give the moves more hitlag and a greater feeling of power. I gave him something close to Falcon's nair, though it's a bit more powerful iirc. Some hitboxes were also altered to give guaranteed knockback in a certain direction, such as his usmash.

His kyick is lagless when it hits the ground an there's also significantly less vunerability when you start it on the ground. Also I think I made the spike angle as close as possible to straight down without it being meteor-cancellable.

There are a boatload of other changes that I can't remember individually, a lot of messy attributes and hitbox editing. There's also some crazy stuff with his neutral+B that I don't think was shown in these videos.
 

joeplicate

Smash Master
Joined
Nov 30, 2008
Messages
4,842
Location
alameda, ca
if i wanted to start messing around with melee hacks, what do i need? (a wii, i'm guessing)

can anybody point me in the right direction plz?
 

VGmasta

Smash Lord
Joined
Apr 6, 2008
Messages
1,252
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West Palm Beach, FL + the Doc Boards!!
The Ganon vs Sheik matchup would become Ganon's favor.
If Ganon's up-airs alone were to cause as much hit stun as Falcon's knee, that would already make the match up a ton easier for Ganon. So many "gauranteed" combos from up-airs that come out instantly and cover so much space.
 

Mahone

Smash Champion
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Apr 19, 2010
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Blacksburg, VA
In sypher's perfect balanced melee, sheik can't cg ganon

man, i love that balanced melee... even though rest is weaker :(
 

SypherPhoenix

Smash Lord
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Fairfax, VA
In sypher's perfect balanced melee, sheik can't cg ganon

man, i love that balanced melee... even though rest is weaker :(
noooooooooo don't tell them

the last thing i want is people on my butthole about it

i think sheik can still cg ganon in 1.4, it just either starts at mid percents or doesn't work for as long, i forget

also the weaker rest was from one of my first builds, i realized pretty quickly that it was a scrubby change that didn't affect her fundamentally

i also came to understand that jiggs doesn't need any changes, i was just stupid and scrubby
 

SonuvaBeach

Smash Lord
Joined
Sep 7, 2008
Messages
1,141
Location
Howell, MI
This looks and sounds like the best thing ever.

I'll all for no one bugging Sypher in the hopes that we may too someday be able to play this "perfect" melee
 

SypherPhoenix

Smash Lord
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Feb 12, 2007
Messages
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Fairfax, VA
Eikelmann, that is ****ing fantastic. Please tell me you have a psd file or something that can be put into the game.

(aka, PM me and we will make amazing things happen)
 
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