Campy Fox Vs. Luigi (Also Any Falco Tips?)

[RockinRudy]

I main Falco but I picked up Luigi as a secondary, I need some tips. I feel Luigi is better then Doc and Mario in many areas. I'm uploading some friendlies to youtube to help you guys visualize what's going on.


Every Fox I have played used a campy strat. Meaning they run short hop double laser and run. Is there anyway to counter this?

Also any Falco tips is nice. The match up is near impossible.

 

[BluEG]

Every Fox I have played used a campy strat. Meaning they run short hop double laser and run. Is there anyway to counter this?

Also any Falco tips is nice. The match up is near impossible.

Fox: Downsmash him and make him wish he never left the ground. Tech chasing is really important in this one. Luigi is faster if not the same speed as fox, master the perfect wavedash and he should be running from you.

I'm in the same boat with you on Falco. That matchup ****ing sucks.

 

[RockinRudy]

Fox: Downsmash him and make him wish he never left the ground. Tech chasing is really important in this one. Luigi is faster if not the same speed as fox, master the perfect wavedash and he should be running from you.

I'm in the same boat with you on Falco. That matchup ****ing sucks.

I have mastered the wavedash. In the Match-up he gets really defensive ugh...

 

[BluEG]

I have mastered the wavedash. In the Match-up he gets really defensive ugh...

Unfortunately for Fox, if Luigi gets in, the Fox loses a stock (hopefully) - the character is just too easy for luigi to combo / techchase. Fox also can't go for normal follow ups because of luigi's nair. Because the nature of our character, many players choose to play defensive against us...

However Luigi has an interesting property. His presence on stage is huge in that he can be anywhere at the blink of an eye. He applies some form of pressure almost anywhere on the stage because of this. Get close to fox and he will no doubt try to move/jump out of the way, try to predict where he will land or go and downsmash/grab to lead into a 50% or death combo.

 

[RockinRudy]

Unfortunately for Fox, if Luigi gets in, the Fox loses a stock (hopefully) - the character is just too easy for luigi to combo / techchase. Fox also can't go for normal follow ups because of luigi's nair. Because the nature of our character, many players choose to play defensive against us...

However Luigi has an interesting property. His presence on stage is huge in that he can be anywhere at the blink of an eye. He applies some form of pressure almost anywhere on the stage because of this. Get close to fox and he will no doubt try to move/jump out of the way, try to predict where he will land or go and downsmash/grab to lead into a 50% or death combo.

Downsmash > upthrow > Combo the DI's? > Up-B when your feeling it?

Downsmash>jab reset (if missed tech)> Up-B punish or throw?

 

[Vist]

Basically, this just comes down to playing smart and effective. Keep your cool and handle the passive-aggressive playstyle gracefully.

General tips:

• You need to emphasize getting combos in and making the most of them. Go for as much percentage as possible and go for what kills and what is guaranteed.
• Downsmash is a good combo starter, but don't forget about grabs. Uthrow can combo into all sorts of stuff.
• IMO, I would avoid up-b punishes. The only time it is good in this match-up is if the fox is at a very high percentage and you are able to pull an up-b out of shield or following a jab reset.
• Don't forget WD -> Ftilt is great for approaching and keeping up the pressure.

Falco is pretty much the same deal, but definitely get down power shielding and WDing out of shield to avoid getting locked down with lasers etc.

 

[Seartu]

sour-spot nair--->up-b combos are also real if you catch them not di'ing. also, don't get shined. probably not as crucial when they're campy, but when camping stops working try to space everything outside of shine.