BBR Weekly Character Discussion #12: Toon Link

[AllyKnight]

Chip is trash.

 

[Kewkky]

To tell you the truth, I could either put TL under Kirby, or over him. I've had lots of experiences against TL with different characters, but I'm still not 100% sure right now. Truth be told, one of those two should be the head of their current tier.

 

[The Real Inferno]

I'm not sure a character that isn't even placing as well as ROB right now should be ahead of Toon Link. I would like to see TL go up a space or two to top off C tier or round out the bottom of B (pushing down Game & Watch)

 

[Kewkky]

I'm not sure a character that isn't even placing as well as ROB right now should be ahead of Toon Link. I would like to see TL go up a space or two to top off C tier or round out the bottom of B (pushing down Game & Watch)

Well if you look at tourney results, Kirby was consistently taking 12-13 in total points, until around the time YbM was forced to use a gamecube controller, which affected the tourney points he was giving Kirby. IMO, that's the reason Kirby hasn't been doing well since MLG took up brawl. YbM being a top 2 Kirby mainer and one of the top representation at tourneys for us, if he stops attending or winning, the points dwindle.

 

[Lee Martin]

Tl should be higher on the tier list imo. If only every toon link could do this. It just looks freaky.. :49-:52 The whole match is **** though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMb87g6wk0

lmaooo this match is seriously too good also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TolARfkhwSw

Hyro is a freaking god.

 

[hunger!]

Tl should be higher on the tier list imo. If only every toon link could do this. It just looks freaky.. :49-:52 The whole match is **** though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMb87g6wk0

lmaooo this match is seriously too good also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TolARfkhwSw

Hyro is a freaking god.

i agree with everything this man just said.

Hyro is a freaking god.

 

[The Real Inferno]

roflol he's shooting arrows out of the back of his ****ing head.

 

[Dr. Tuen]

I personally think TL should be higher too. His spacing (mostly zair) and projectile game is really good. I have trouble against him as MK, but I'm a very "mid-metagame" prospective, so to speak. Given that, I have a hard time approaching, and camping too long usually results in slowly taking damage over time. /shrugs. I think he's pretty good.

 

[Kewkky]

roflol he's shooting arrows out of the back of his ****ing head.

You didn't know that? o_O

Some TLs do it to instantly bair without RARing, others just for lols. Truth be told, it doesn't have many uses in a match (except the first thing I mentioned).

 

[Mota]

Backroom pretty much got it right.

TL is a solid character, but it's still sketchy as too what his true potential is and thus tier list placing, so long as MKs pinning TL down.

Those HyRo vids <3

 

[Thebest1pj]

jerm gonna show yall what tl can do at apex

 

[Lobos]

lee martin for best tl.....non main

 

[NH Cody]

What shadow said

And I think Jash is going too, isn't he?

I strongly believe TL should be higher on the tier list

 

[WindMajor]

Kewkky repping that TL!

Anyways, this is for the most part, right. Toon Link is a versatile character. He has plentiful options, mostly due to his tricks, camping tools, and his swordplay. Because of this, his mix-up game is fairly good. His entire character focuses around the word defense. His camp game is really good because of his 3 projectiles along with his Zair, and his aerial mobility helps him run away from his opponents. If enemies get to close, a simple nair can put TL in a favorable position again. He has both a regular recovery, and a tether recovery which is always good, coupled with the fact that he's floaty means that his recovery is somewhere around decent. He also has absurd gimmicks, like his Dsmash gimps and his Bair to DJ Dair DI.

However, he does have some weaknesses. His approach game is lacking, and his offensive game can be beaten with characters that are faster/have more range (MK and Marth). Also, his ledge options aren't great. Like Kewkky said, his OoS Nair/Bair can also get punished easily given the right circumstance. However, his biggest glaring weakness is his terrible matchup with Metaknight. If the MK knows the matchup, you're gonna lose. Plain and simple.

 

[NH Cody]

I agree, I think MK is holding TL back from doing better in tourneys.

If we had more TL players who placed well maybe then he would rise in the tier list

 

[TheJerm]

@ Action Panda
Toon Links ledge options are actually great. You can generally stay safe messing around on the ledge with TL

 

[WindMajor]

Messing around the ledge is for the most part safe as long as you have a bomb and are cautious. However, recovering from the stage is what I'm talking about. Our options are bad against, lets say... a Marth that knows what he's doing.

 

[TheJerm]

Not really, the main problem with marth would be getting back on stage or getting avoiding getting gimped before you get tot he ledge

 

[MJG]

An extremely patient marth makes it near impossible to get back on stage without eating a good amount of damage.

 

[NH Cody]

Marth isn't that big of a problem.

ledge drop > BP > upthrow/up-B, repeat

+ occasional ledge drop DJ to the side > rang

 

[TheJerm]

Yea, I said you can mess around on the ledge vs him, but when your ready to get back on stage, that's when some problems come in.

 

[Pierce7d]

I think Toon Links underrate how good Marth is against their character. I think Toon Link is an extremely versatile character who I wish had more top players, because I feel he's really good, and just overlooked a lot.