I received no response from Kataefi except for PMing him names, which I'm not really planning to do.
Successor of Raphael: enjoys argument, rags on the rampant naivety on this board (most of it not being related to Zelda, but rather the general mindsets that people have), doesn't contribute to Zelda's metagame, stopped caring about contributing to Zelda's metagame, sucks and doesn't play in tournaments, "pulls numbers out of his ***", is losing/lost his patience with several aspects of this board including but not limited to the sheer amount of passive aggressiveness, name calling, and general stupidity that some users exude on a regular basis (key point!) and don't seem to realize it.
Successor of Raphael also: believes this board to have too much parading/naivety/"truth"bringing/"mediating" on this board mixed together. It goes like this:
Something gets said -> someone insults and makes a point rather than just making the point -> responses fly back which will not come to a neutral ground ->people jump in and go "wow this is really bad, but..." and add to the mess -> more insults are made -> everyone else ignores what happened and pushes it aside and nothing gets addressed.
This point is important because, as I implied earlier, we're all sick of each other. The reason we're sick of each other is simply because we don't get along on the most basic level. That is to say, a lot of us who have been involved with any sort of crap on this board and always have something to say (me included) will start an argument if the wrong one in this group looks at said person wrong. You can't avoid it because this is just how we think and it will clash. Most importantly, this is INEVITABLE. In order to cope with this, people need to not only watch what they say but they must also say it without clear signs of agitation, stubbornness, etc.
This is not about being butthurt. This is not about what you really feel or anything like that. This is about simply not providing the catalyst that will cause whatever you say to be trivialized. If I know that a poster hates it when I bring his lack of skill up and I want to make it a point that Farore's Wind is a bad move, I don't say, "Well clearly you're a bad player if you use Farore's Wind so much." It may be true that the person is a bad player. It may be true that Farore's Wind is a bad move. Most of this will fall on deaf ears of the person I'm addressing and will say, "You're a bad player." And if they leave it out, it's only going to add to the mess because now that I called this person bad, I can sit back and play the passive aggressive person ("I don't know why you're being so serious about this, I'm just saying you're not good, geez chill out LOL"), the tough-as-nails person which will fail to even make his/her point worth talking about ("Look, the bottom line is that if you think Farore's Wind is good, you're bad or playing bad players, that's the truth, live with it, I'm not mean just truthful") or the naive, shrinking away person ("omg I was just stating my opinion!!!!! =((((( why is everyone so mean!!?!??!")
It doesn't matter if you aren't intending to mess with someone's feelings. If you do bother someone's feelings, no matter how you believe they should take it, the fact of the matter is that you're subjecting them into a worse position and you've already placed yourself in a worse position because now whatever point you were trying to make is masked by "tough talk." You cannot, CANNOT have people take discussions seriously AND brush aside affronts of any kind.
This board has too many people that leap into discussions with their holy water flying all over the **** place. Now this is a concept that a lot of people aren't picking up, and I know that this is the case because it pretty much has not been said yet in this thread. I'll explain it:
Me: Red Zelda is the best.
Someone: But Blue beats red all day.
Me: That's lame, Red's the best.
"Mediator": OMG guys stop fighting, SoR Blue does beat red, don't be stupid.
Why is this bad? Similar reason as above - useless **** is getting said with the facts. Perception is ridiculously powerful in life. If someone, at any point in time, claims that others are simply arguing for arguing's sake, crying, stupid, etc., then the onlookers that cannot or do not pull posts apart and lump **** together may get ideas, and those that post... well it goes like this:
Me: I'm just saying that Red is better than Blue because of <insert reasoning>.
First person: No really, it's stupid if you keep saying that Red > Blue, that's the truth and you're just crying about it now.
Onlooker: (wow, that SoR guy sure can't admit to being wrong when he's wrong)
And bam, people will be viewed as stupid or a whiner or whatever whenever they enter their next argument because pretty much everyone categories everyone else. MrEh is categorized as a troll - therefore, people take what he says with a tank of salt and if there's any scent of foul play it gets brushed off, rather than if Elder Sister said it because there is very little pre-judgment on her behalf. Yes, I did just namedrop two people but I'm not saying anything about them personally and it was to give you a clear example of what I'm talking about.
There's little to be done once it happens, so don't let it happen. I do it, yes, but I sure as hell don't resort to this bull**** before a lot of people do on this board, which ties in nicely with why I'm tired of a lot of the different attitudes on this board. I don't care how truthful it may be or whatever - if you regularly judge publicly it will affect you and whoever you judged for worse. It's also a good idea to not actually be stubborn and whatnot but this is even harder to address because if people believe something, they will stick by it. That's normal behavior. Explain, in different pieces, why something is not right, and if they continue to go on with the wrong idea, repost whatever you believe to be truth and make it unattached to whoever you just responded to. That way, people looking on will be able to decide for themselves what is the right answer. Majority will win and in all issues dealing with Zelda, majority is right so spending time mediating and then posting your opinion is worse than simply posting your opinion.
Long-story short: watch what you say and how you say it and quit thinking that what you say does not influence this board and will automatically help the board. No amount of truth will rectify petty bull****. This problem plagues many communities everywhere so I'm not banking on it ever "fixing" itself, but it can certainly be toned down.
If you did not understand what I was talking about. say something so I can rephrase. If this thread allows name-dropping at any point I will come as clean as possible. The truth of the matter is that I am very annoyed with this board and I'm sure someone out there is annoyed with me.
EDIT: I re-read a lot of stuff I said and a lot of the examples I used can be attributed to one user. Said user, I am not calling you out specifically - the general way I read things around here and the way I wrote it down just so happens to match your tone. I'm sure you know who you are.
10 millionth edit: I am not excusing ignorance. I'm simply concerned with the way it's attempting to be eradicated.
I prefer to spend my money on shoes or going out on Saturday nights, tbh, than on a video game. I also oversleep a lot, lol.
