illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah why did he do that? He had so many and now they are all gone
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Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)
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idk how accurate it is, but, taken from the Ike boards:
Even if that isn't exactly true, you want to DI up
One of his guides was saved... because a user... quoted the entirety of the first post xD
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6017065&postcount=94
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
Likeness101
Smash Apprentice
Is this a viable Chain Grab on fox? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgbivT2LV-4&feature=channel_page
momochuu
Smash Legend
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Marth's not as easy as you guys made him seem, lol. ;-; Probably the hardest character I've tried to pick up so far. >_<
Maybe it's because I'm not used to having a character with good range. I dunno. I won't give up though.
Maybe it's because I'm not used to having a character with good range. I dunno. I won't give up though.
Fatalzyntax
Smash Apprentice
Try Ice Climbers =D
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
The Fthrow chain is viable, I believe the dthrow chain might have just been poor DI, though. I could be wrong
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Good don't give up, Marth's a simple character, with not many ATs to his name, but to play him efficiently is what you must master. Don't worry, keep at it, you'll get it him.
I wasn't serious, that was the ultra simplified version of his metagame. Don't forget those words though, use his disjointed hit box to its fullest potential.
Kishin
Smash Ace
Is there someone who lives close to where I live that can record matches so that we can have 3 or so matches? I'd like assistance on how to improve on my Marth.
gunterrsmash01
Smash Champion
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What's Marths best approach against the ice climbers and diddy?
momochuu
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Uhh...I main Ice Climbers. Lmao. xD
Approach!? ICE CLIMBERS?
You camp those *****es until you can cut them down the middle like a hot knife through butter. DON'T GET GRABBED :O By camp, I mean turtling, and by turtling I mean poke poke poke poke poke poke poke poke poke.
Diddy?
Aerials r good. As a starter at least. Perhaps catching his bananas and using them back against him in the same manor he uses them to approach you?
You camp those *****es until you can cut them down the middle like a hot knife through butter. DON'T GET GRABBED :O By camp, I mean turtling, and by turtling I mean poke poke poke poke poke poke poke poke poke.
Diddy?
Aerials r good. As a starter at least. Perhaps catching his bananas and using them back against him in the same manor he uses them to approach you?
Roxas215
Smash Lord
As a person who never played as marth but is thinking about picking him up for matchup reasons how hard is it to learn marth from a tournament standpoint? I main diddy with secondaries being peach and zss so im already comfortable in picking up hard to use chars.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
It is fairly difficult to use him at tourney level.
Roxas215
Smash Lord
Would you say learning marth is harder then learning peach? They both pretty much live or die by spacing right?
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Just a question: Does marth's fair autocancel when landing? I want make sure a certain person's facts are straight before misinformation ensues.
BanjoKazooiePro
Smash Champion
Hmmm....it was referenced before, and I just want to bring it back up. Does the Fthrow->Fthrow->Dthrow->Dthrow->Fsmash actually work on fox or others? I think I'm going to go test it, but I've now seen it in a few videos, including some japanese matches. It'd be pretty sexy, but it looks like you can DI out of it. /test
Zodac
Smash Journeyman
whats the deal with dancing blades and move refreshing/staleing?
does it count as 4 seperate moves? (guessing yes, just making sure)
do the variations count as seperate moves? like would up finish not stale a down finish?
does it count as 4 seperate moves? (guessing yes, just making sure)
do the variations count as seperate moves? like would up finish not stale a down finish?
ZHMT
Smash Lord
They arent seperated depending on which variation. They all count as a dancing blade hit, your forward b move. Going forward, forward, up, up. Does the same thing as forward, forward, down, forward.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Yes, it does count as four separate moves.
No, iirc, I don't think the different variations restore from each other (so you can't do down hit fourth to restore up hit fourth).
It works on quite a few moves, but I doubt it will work on something like MK dsmash very often, usually at high percents, DS oos is a better punisher, or DB/SH fair overall.
The feet hitbox of Marth's usmash has very bad horizontal range. It's around on par with with the horizontal range of uair.
MK's dsmash, has good range. A reasonably well spaced dsmash will not be punished by usmash, not even a "badly" spaced dsmash can. It has to be HORRIBLY spaced. i.e. him ontop of you, for usmash to work.
With tap jump on, you can usmash out of shield, so it will come out around the same time a shield drop to dancing blade would; big difference is that usmash is always like 17%, and goes up to 22%.
MK's dsmash, has good range. A reasonably well spaced dsmash will not be punished by usmash, not even a "badly" spaced dsmash can. It has to be HORRIBLY spaced. i.e. him ontop of you, for usmash to work.
With tap jump on, you can usmash out of shield, so it will come out around the same time a shield drop to dancing blade would; big difference is that usmash is always like 17%, and goes up to 22%.
Nibbity
Smash Journeyman
Speaking of U smash, I was watching vids of Neo and Minus, and is U smash the best way to counter falco's phantom, or phantasm, or whatever? I don't see how it works, especially seeing how you could dash and punish with dancing blade or even F smash. but if it is effective, can someone explain why?
I repeat the last part of my previous post:
Minimum 17%.
Up to 22%.
In other words, it's a lot more damage then your fsmash or dancing blade.
If you can hit with it, WHY NOT?
"Hi, my name is Snake, and instead of nair, which I'll be guaranteed to hit with right now, I'll just jab combo"
DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE. UP SMASH IS MARTH'S MOST DAMAGING MOVE.
Minimum 17%.
Up to 22%.
In other words, it's a lot more damage then your fsmash or dancing blade.
If you can hit with it, WHY NOT?
"Hi, my name is Snake, and instead of nair, which I'll be guaranteed to hit with right now, I'll just jab combo"
DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE. UP SMASH IS MARTH'S MOST DAMAGING MOVE.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I has a good question:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=221578
Can you help inform us more and/or support some of what some of us have been saying, but ppl don't per se believe? It's lucario matchup threads, everyone needs to get in touch with their furry side.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=221578
Can you help inform us more and/or support some of what some of us have been saying, but ppl don't per se believe? It's lucario matchup threads, everyone needs to get in touch with their furry side.
BanjoKazooiePro
Smash Champion
I thought so. A lot of the japanese videos are fast paced, but basically none of them have decent DI/spacing in them....
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
No, just shield drop Dancing blade of DS OoS for that.
Usmash OoS is a weird punish. I don't even know how to give you an example of when one would use it lol
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
I would guess a shielded aerial or smash while its fresh. It's a great mixup, people expect DB then BOOM "wtf I went vertical???" lol
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Now that I think about it, it might be great on Wario
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
^This. This is why it ***** at tourneys lol
SforzendaiZair
Smash Cadet
just wondering what is marths absoulte worse move
Upsmash out of shield is 12 frames or whatever, it cancels your shield.
DB out of shield is 7? frames plus the 4 from dancing blade.
DS of course is 5 frames = luv.
If you can hit with it... hit with it.
Marth's worst move?
imo, dash atack.
But Dash attack isn't -too bad-.
DB out of shield is 7? frames plus the 4 from dancing blade.
DS of course is 5 frames = luv.
If you can hit with it... hit with it.
Marth's worst move?
imo, dash atack.
But Dash attack isn't -too bad-.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
This
But all o f Marth's move have a use. Although there IS bthrow, which is almost totally outclassed by dthrow...