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possibly maybe like ONE per jump. and I think the landing lag should be MASSIVE....cause I mean you can airdodge pretty close to the ground and not get lag cause it ended BEFORE you touched the ground.
That's what I meant
Watch zero's stream, then you'll learn exactly why airdodging isn't that great.
Airdodging still kills the offstage game, though.
You're assuming every change to airdodging was made strictly to stop wavedashing. A good player can read a player who always airdodges and it's as easy to punish as throwing out a lingering hitbox
Sakurai said the removal of Wavedashing was just a result of changing airdodges. Which was absolutely necessary with how useless they were for actual dodging.
Melee's airdodge was super useful for its intended use. You just have to use it to dodge spaced aerials as well as smashes instead of "hit L/R to win" with such a frequency that would make Boosting in Sonic Unleashed blush.
Not really, no. It's more pathetic then rolls in SSB64. Sure, if you're near the ground it worked okay, but it's an airdodge. For example, imagine trying to dodge Pit's SSB4 arrows when you're above him with the old airdodge. You either take five arrows to the face, are Jigglypuff and eat one, or dodge and go into helplessness and eat a Smash attack.
I believe that was the point. It was not a get out of jail free card. It had to be used properly. IMO, if you get yourself in a bad situation like hovering over pit while he has his final smash out, I'd say you deserve some sort of punishment for it.
Not his Final Smash, his default arrows. He could shoot 'em up since Brawl. Custom arrows turn even sharper. You see, this isn't an issue in PM because his Brawl arrows don't turn as sharply.
Then the "stall" should've been made longer. That would've compensated for the game being slower.
Beautiful. That is a perfect way of keeping it how it is now without gimping it too much whilst also balancing it's potency.
This. When I play Samus and Shulk especially, characters like Diddy and Mario are hell.
Well, you know how when you go into Special Smash mode and you pick Lightning mode so that everyone's faster? But when you actually play the game everyone feels heavier? And when you play Slow-mo mode so that everyone's slower, everyone feels a lot floatier?
...Your logic doesn't make a lick of sense. You want to add in the crappy Melee airdodge and make it even crappier in a game where all the good characters have great Uairs. It becomes less "bait airdodge" and more "everybody is Little Mac in the air" and now there's virtually no depth in gameplay above the stage.
You said that Melee's air dodge only works because fall speeds are faster. If it were brought back and slowed down, that would compensate for Smash U's slower fall speeds.
If it were brought back and made slower you'd get nailed every single time you used it. It wouldn't work the way it is because of how pathetically easy it would be to punish due to how slow you fall. You need to make it faster to make it harder to punish. But at that point you might as well keep the game the way it is instead of rebalancing half the cast for what would ultimately be a minor change after it's made useful.
If you read when people will air dodge or feel when they would, it becomes a mental game. You can easily punish people that instantly air dodge.
But it's an annoying mental game. Defensive scrubs have no right to drag out the match against a better player by constantly rolling and air dodging.
Rather have a defensive game then a braindead one.
