Official 4BR Tier List v1.0 - Competitive Impressions

[nannerham]

Imhip was incredibly close to taking that, what an amazing set my heart couldn't take much more.

 

[Djent]

Why would you ever drop a character like anyway? She even fares well against the few characters that beat .

 

[juddy96]

He's been living in Memphis I believe. I've been seeing him at a lot of Memphis locals. I know he's from Louisiana.

His smashgg account is listed as MS, thats why I asked

 

[Y2Kay]

His smashgg account is listed as MS, thats why I asked

well according to my friend he's recently moved back to Mississippi, and I didn't know. oops.

 

[jespoke]

IMhip vs Zinoto game 4 was... such a quick, clean, hype comeback

I knew the philosophy of Olimar play and that he was pretty good, but i finally know how it actually works

 

[Mario766]

well according to my friend he's recently moved back to Mississippi, and I didn't know. oops.

He's actually PR'd in Louisiana, as of now.


At 3rd.

 

[Y2Kay]

ImHip 3-0s Tyrant with Duck Hunt

Spoiler

 

[Yonder]

Spoiler

This just makes me more irritated by Esam's placement of Duck Hunt. Like being that ignorant bothers me.

 

[Charoite]

well this place is not that different, is in the same vein of roy being low tier

 

[Y2Kay]

This just makes me more irritated by Esam's placement of Duck Hunt. Like being that ignorant bothers me.

It's bothered me for ages.

One time he told me that Mewtwo's neutral isn't good. Like . . . what?

 

[Man Li Gi]

Tyrant does bad against people he can't just abuse or has to play patiently against. Losing to I'm hip doesn't surprise me as he lost to Vicegrip when he could have just slowed it down with a superior killing potential. Just slow it down and group yourself.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Anyways, it's Larry Lurr 3-2 in a very close set over Zinoto in Losers Finals, preventing a Diddy v Diddy Grand Finals.

Of course, now it's time for his salty runback against Zer0.

 

[Jams.]

I'm glad we got to see more 1.1.6 Bayonetta this weekend, since I have no idea where that character sits right now. She seems less focused on ABDK since it doesn't convert into anything, but she still has decent mid percent conversions with her other combo starters. Also seems like Witch Time was used a lot more to seal stocks.

I'm glad this character wasn't completely gutted. I can see her meta developing more (especially her edgeguarding) but also counterplay developing more based on her large SDI modifiers. At the end of it all though, I think she'll still remain a good character.

This just makes me more irritated by Esam's placement of Duck Hunt. Like being that ignorant bothers me.

It's purely an opinion based list. He recognized Duck Hunt's Japanese results, but just glossed over them because he thinks Duck Hunt isn't good. Personally, I think his status as a top level player makes his opinion inherently valuable, though obviously we shouldn't take it as gospel. Also, when a character keeps defying expectations like Duck Hunt has, it's probably best to take a step back and think "what am I missing" rather than being belligerent.

 

[Charoite]

The thing with bayo is that people doesn't play safe against her, you still see people jumping with aerials against her, throwing moves until they connect, bayonetta is punish and edgeguard character just look how DJ Fliphop beat Captain Zack he played safe going for grabs didn't over extend to much, she has a hard time killing and has average neutral, people need to exploit that more.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Welp, Larry stops running his SideBs into Zero, and manages to reset the bracket.

 

[Das Koopa]

Add Larry to the list of people to take a set off of ZeRo.

 

[nannerham]

Midwest Mayhem results

Spoiler: Results

1st: False ,
2nd: Nite
3rd: Angel Cortes
4th: Esam ,
5th: Tyroy ,
5th: Ksev
7th: LOE1
7th: BoScotty ,
9th: Seth
9th: JJROCKETS
9th: Bushi
9th: MVD
13th: Moti
13th: Hoenn
13th: Shel
13th: Naoto
's 13th place streak continues, diddy is on fire this weekend.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Well, Fox's rapid jab confirmed for unpunishable.

And Larry Lurr has beaten Zer0 two sets in a row to take 2GGT: Mexico Saga.

Much hype.

 

[Das Koopa]

After a grueling 15 games and 3 sets, Larry defeats ZeRo 3-2, totaling 8-7.

As far as I'm aware, the two are 10-10 in games and 2-2 in sets, which you account for GOML.

 

[Djent]

It seems like the strongest predictor of ZeRo losing is my internet crapping out.

Congrats to Larry, though. I think he played the MU about as well as I've ever seen.

 

[TheGoodGuava]

EEEUUUUUUUUUAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LARRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYY

holy **** I love this man

alright but real talk, where is Fox really at on the tierlist, I've seen it discussed like once and that was before Bayonetta was added

 

[SaltyKracka]

EEEUUUUUUUUUAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LARRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYY

holy **** I love this man

alright but real talk, where is Fox really at on the tierlist, I've seen it discussed like once and that was before Bayonetta was added

Pretty much everybody thinks he's top tier, but they generally rate him below the ones with no actual weaknesses (i.e. Diddy, Cloud, Shiek if you ask some people)

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Wonder where Fox is gonna be on ZeRo's next tier list

 

[AnEventHorizon]

Interesting things from ZeRo's after tourney interview:

He's picked up Cloud (by which I mean he's using him in tourney matches, everyone has a pocket Cloud ), but isn't sure what matchups to use him in. He switched to Cloud for his second game with Nicko's Shulk after going to basically last hit game 1 with Diddy.

He's not confident about fighting Larry's Donkey Kong with Sheik, or Sheik vs DK in general.

nannerham Did Esam actually use Corrin during the tourney? I didn't see him pull it out.

 

[zzmorg82]

This ZeRo interview though, lol.

 

[nannerham]

nannerham Did Esam actually use Corrin during the tourney? I didn't see him pull it out.

Yes he used corrin against Atata, who is a ness main.

 

[Piipp]

He's actually PR'd in Louisiana, as of now.


At 3rd.

My mistake. I could've sworn he told me MS.

Wherever he is, he's getting good results

EDIT: He lives in MS, competes in LA

 

[StaffofSmashing]

Larry Lurr's Fox defeated Zero's Diddy Kong in 2 sets of Grand Finals, going 8-7 with Zero the entire tournament.

2GGT wasn't a major but I consider it a Super Regional because there was quite a bit of talent there. Does this mean Fox has the potential to win a major? And is Fox a top character?

 

[|RK|]

Because I talked about them in another post: Kirby's short so attacks are hard to hit, he can copy sun salutation, he can duck under a good portion of Wii Fit's attacks, and he's one of the few characters that can genuinely challenge Wii Fit off stage. Still, the Kirby/Wii Fit issue is easily solved by having a counterpick which, given the current state of the metagame, is pretty much becoming the standard aside from a handful of characters and a majority of Wii Fit players agree that the Kirby match up is the only one where it's essential to have one. This is hardly a damning thing either given it's pretty much the same case for a lot of other good characters too like Ness, DK, and arguably even Mario (for and ).

What I meant was Pikachu doesn't deserve the title of "worst matchup for WFT" regardless of Kirby being easy to counterpick

 

[TDK]

I was always under the impression fox was a top tier.

 

[TDK]

Also, nice to see Peach managing to fight her way to some results. Same goes for Bowser Jr.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Interesting things from ZeRo's after tourney interview:

He's picked up Cloud.

And Zero switches to Cloud before EVO. Fatmanonice, Mar 15, 2016

Yep, definitely called that one.

 

[Mario766]

Picked up =/= Switches.


If anything he'll switch to Ryu since he's 'in a league of his own'

 

[thehard]

Wow, I am so happy for Larry. This game is such an open playing field right now. Summer is going to be golden.

 

[Das Koopa]

Santa Fe Smash Fiesta 2 (June 4th) (Southwest) (133 Entrants) (Category 1)
1st: Dakpo ,
2nd: X
3rd: Tatsuyalol
4th: Hero ,
5th: Diago
5th: Fahrenheit
7th: JFK
7th: Melonz
9th: AZ
9th: Fizz Khalifa
9th: SSB100 ,
9th: Rubino
13th: GenericRhyme
13th: Benji ,
13th: Gunvolt ,
13th: Sorry

 

[juddy96]

2GGT: Mexico Saga (413 entrants)

1) Larry Lurr
2) ZeRo
3) Zinoto
4) Hyuga
5) ImHip
5) K9sbruce
7) Tyrant
7) falln
9) Tearbear
9) KOSSismoss
9) Aarvark
9) Xzax
13) The Wall
13) SlayerZ
13) Apachai~ ? ?
13) WiiGi

 

[Fatmanonice]

Picked up =/= Switches.


If anything he'll switch to Ryu since he's 'in a league of his own'

We'll see. It's grossly apparent that his confidence in Sheik has dropped significantly so a switch of some kind seems inevitable. Cloud seems more likely just because of the significantly smaller learning curve while Ryu's probably the hardest top/high tier to get good with outside of Pikachu.

 

[TheGoodGuava]

Santa Fe Smash Fiesta 2 (June 4th) (Southwest) (133 Entrants) (Category 1)
1st: Dakpo ,
2nd: X
3rd: Tatsuyalol
4th: Hero ,
5th: Diago
5th: Fahrenheit
7th: JFK
7th: Melonz
9th: AZ
9th: Fizz Khalifa
9th: SSB100 ,
9th: Rubino
13th: GenericRhyme
13th: Benji ,
13th: Gunvolt ,
13th: Sorry

It seems Pikachu is starting to get results outside of ESAM

Also two Marths and two Yoshis?

 

[Das Koopa]

I'm not sure how "good" New Mexico is

Dakpo only dropped 2 games the entire tourney as far as smash.gg shows lol.

 

[juddy96]

I'm not sure how "good" New Mexico is

Dakpo only dropped 2 games the entire tourney as far as smash.gg shows lol.

New Mexico is buttcheeks. And a bunch of those players aren't from New Mexico.

1) Dakpo - Texas
2) X - Utah, living in Colorado
3) Tetsuyalol - Texas
4) Hero - Mexico
5) Diago - Texas
5) Fahrenheit - New Mexico
7) JFK - Colorado
7) Melonz - Texas
9) AZ - New Mexico
9) Fizz Khalifa - New Mexico
9) SSB100 - Colorado
9) Rubino - New Mexico
13) GenericRhyme - Colorado
13) Benji - Florida
13) Gunvolt - Mexico
13) Sorry - New Mexico