3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI

[Terotrous]

Are you testing in training mode? I just tested in training mode and they're showing the old percentages. Myran and I used wifi to test, though.

If you test outside of training mode you're getting the freshness bonus, which will skew the statistics.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

 

[LordFluffy]

Confirming as well i see more cooldown on Sonic's Fsmash

 

[cot(θ)]

I don't play Greninja at all, but I like that he could shadow-sneak out of aerials. It made playing against him more enjoyable and interesting.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Ah, I see, I didn't know that!

 

[M@v]

Falco's down air has slightly faster startup. Its not at melee/brawl levels but faster than it was before. Can some test side by side/frame data to see how much faster it actually is?

 

[cot(θ)]

I don't play Greninja at all, but I liked that he could shadow-sneak out of aerials. It made playing against him more fun and interesting.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Also, what are the specifics on the nerf to Little Mac's Jab?
"JAB COMBO : Overall damage significantly reduced" is not very specific.

 

[Terotrous]

Also, what are the specifics on the nerf to Little Mac's Jab?
"JAB COMBO : Overall damage significantly reduced" is not very specific.

Rapid Jab does less damage per hit. Since it gets a lot of hits, even a <1% reduction adds up.

 

[Thinkaman]

1 less % on jab 2 and jab 3 (non-repeating)

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Rapid jab was already listed to do 1%, was this incorrect?

Edit: Okay, non repeating.

 

[Thinkaman]

Falco's down air has slightly faster startup. Its not at melee/brawl levels but faster than it was before. Can some test side by side/frame data to see how much faster it actually is?

No change.

 

[Thinkaman]

I can tragically confirm there is no additional cooldown to Sonic's u-smash, d-smash, or dash attack.

Only f-smash.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Rapid jab was already listed to do 1%, was this incorrect?

Edit: Okay, non repeating.

It does decimal damage

 

[NotLiquid]

Can confirm Sonic's FSmash indeed has a bit more recovery but it's only like... one or two frames different.

This nerf is almost completely pointless. Doesn't change his FSmash still being a really good poke/spacing tool and none of his other moves have changes.

 

[Yikarur]

What numbers did you get to confirm this? Would like to know since i keep getting different knockback numbers for both versions

I think it was 140 strong hit and 123 weak hit.

 

[Lavani]

Also confirming the additional cooldown on Sonic's fsmash. It's only by a couple frames though.

 

[NairWizard]

@ Thinkaman , Rosalina f-air. The early hitboxes should have additional knockback.

 

[Jabejazz]

That's it. Sonic mid tier.

 

[Kos-MosPlushie]

Wait what? PacMan can't sent the hydrant flying on one hit any more? Well that sucks...

 

[Thinkaman]

@ Thinkaman , Rosalina f-air. The early hitboxes should have additional knockback.

No idea what you mean. It's multi-hit, right? I'm seeing identical behavior.

 

[NairWizard]

Actually, Rosalina fair knockback might have been reduced rather than increased, as it combos into jab better, I am told.

Also, her f-smash appears to have reduced knockback: can you confirm?

 

[Terotrous]

Wait what? PacMan can't sent the hydrant flying on one hit any more? Well that sucks...

He still can, just not with Bair. I've seen it reported that Hydrant gained 1 HP, but has anyone confirmed this?

Fsmash still launches it in one hit. I would also like to see Z-dropped Key and Melon tested to see if they launch it, as they did previously.

 

[Thinkaman]

Actually, Rosalina fair knockback might have been reduced rather than increased, as it combos into jab better, I am told.

Also, her f-smash appears to have reduced knockback: can you confirm?

With Luma or no?

 

[NairWizard]

I went back and read the post. This is apparently what was found, based on dantarion's data-mining:

someone data mined the patch and APPARENTLY...

Rosalina's base knockback on F-Smash is reduced
The first few hits of Rosalina's F-Air received some knockback growth

http://www.twitch.tv/dantarion

you can find under past broadcasts.

 

[Yikarur]

Actually, Rosalina fair knockback might have been reduced rather than increased, as it combos into jab better, I am told.

Also, her f-smash appears to have reduced knockback: can you confirm?

I've already confirmed that Rosalinas Fsmash is slightly weaker.

 

[Thinkaman]

I can confirm that now as well.

 

[Dabuz]

No idea what you mean. It's multi-hit, right? I'm seeing identical behavior.

I guess the simple way to explain is now the first three hits cause more knockback, making it safe to land while hitting someone with the move. Prior to the patch landing while hitting someone with the move gave opponents enough time to jab Rosa.

 

[lijero13ss]

I think it was 140 strong hit and 123 weak hit.

I had Uair recorded as 143 weak hit 1.0.3 ... or was i just off?

EDIT: Im just gonna assume i was off. I found it strange that weak hit Uair didn't KO Mario at 150% in 1.0.4 when i remember KOing him before. Guess i just did the weak hit wrong

 

[Kos-MosPlushie]

He still can, just not with Bair. I've seen it reported that Hydrant gained 1 HP, but has anyone confirmed this?

Fsmash still launches it in one hit. I would also like to see Z-dropped Key and Melon tested to see if they launch it, as they did previously.

Well now I'm thinking about how to use the hydrant. I loved using the b-air because it was quick and easy to send the hydrant at a good direction and angle. This is only a problem since you can't c-stick smash on the 3DS.

 

[Thinkaman]

I guess the simple way to explain is now the first three hits cause more knockback, making it safe to land while hitting someone with the move. Prior to the patch landing while hitting someone with the move gave opponents enough time to jab Rosa.

Hm, this would be really hard to test without humans. (2 systems on each version.)

 

[Terotrous]

Well now I'm thinking about how to use the hydrant. I loved using the b-air because it was quick and easy to send the hydrant at a good direction and angle. This is only a problem since you can't c-stick smash on the 3DS.

Yes there's no question that the loss of the bair launch is a nerf. If the Zdrop key trick no longer works it's quite a substantial nerf.

 

[Hi-Hatz]

Did I do this right?

 

[Dabuz]

Hm, this would be really hard to test without humans. (2 systems on each version.)

Can combo fair -> jab; that was not possible pre-patch, been playing against people and using it successfully.

 

[Flamecircle]

Wait, can anyone just compile what happened during the datamine?

 

[Yikarur]

Can someone edit the names next to the icons for an easy ctrl + f?
Thank you !

 

[Hacky]

The D3 parenthetical note would be incorrect if Little Mac's Jab 2 and 3 now do 1 damage, each.

 

[Kos-MosPlushie]

Yes there's no question that the loss of the bair launch is a nerf. If the Zdrop key trick no longer works it's quite a substantial nerf.

To answer an earlier question you had, the hydrant didn't gain a percent, PacMan's b-air has lost one percent. A fresh hit only does 11% now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Can someone edit the names next to the icons for an easy ctrl + f?
Thank you !

Later tonight I will do such.

 

[Jabejazz]

The D3 parenthetical note would be incorrect if Little Mac's Jab 2 and 3 now do 1 damage, each.

They're reduced by 1, not set to 1. This effectively puts Jab 2 on the exact threshold to reflect it. Jab 3 is still way above it, I believe.

 

[Ramzy]

No Charizard info?