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The New Official Stage Thread 3.0 - VIDEOS FOR EACH STAGE UP

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grud315

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This thread was created after the banning of the previous creator in order to hotlink all the official stage discussion together.

Most of the videos on this page are credited to bdcool187, Setyman, and jodecideion and their youtube accounts. Others are to other uploaders. Credit goes to every one of them (though I do not want to list them all).

THE NEW OFFICIAL STAGE DISCUSSION​

NEW BRAWL STAGES​

Welcome to the brand NEW Official Stage Discussion! Due to unfortunate situations involving the creator of the previous thread, a new thread has been created to be a hot-link between all of the confirmed stages. This thread has been made to discuss everything about these new stages. Don't worry, I will keep updating this page with all of the new stages including pics of them and links to their respective topic forums.

BATTLEFIELD​
CONFIRMED: May 22 2007​



Bio: The penultimate Melee stage, remodeled for Brawl. This stage has received a major graphical overhaul, taking it away from the black wormholes of Melee to the bright skies and dark days of Brawl. This stage plays the same way as it did in Melee, only now, there is a day-night cycle in the background that changes as the match goes on.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CRQ6x9yr_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVfEaTwgn_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAIofUYGj7Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56NwT3YpIlE
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2273674.html

Official Battlefield Discussion Group

DELFINO PLAZA

CONFIRMED: June 1 2007​



Bio: This new stage behaves like Mute City.... only without cars and with a scenic view! Here, platforms carry you across to different sections of the Plaza, some open on both sides, and a few with closed sides. Each stay at a section is brief, and then the characters are carried off to another section.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOgUdJmXg-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go4wtYMIId8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J0MFLxwHLs
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2268455.html

Official Delfino Plaza Discussion

YOSHI'S ISLAND​

CONFIRMED: June 12 2007​



Bio: The stage from Smash 64 has returned, only minus the clouds and multi levels, and replaced with one swiveling platform and a support ghost. Some amount of changes huh? The biggest thing about it is though the graphical change - watch the Island go from season to season.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv2ujovzodg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTA2OIURVH4

Official Yoshi's Island Discussion

LYLAT CRUISE​

CONFIRMED: June 22 2007​



Bio: It's amazing isn't it... a stage that does not take place on the Great Fox. No, this is the Pleiades, and it is soaring through the asteroid fields of Corneria. There are no hazards, only a beautiful view of galactic fights above. The stage flies through different galaxies, but don't worry, oxygen should not be worried about.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNXQzmmafQA – Conversations In Different Parts of The Stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPiE0LuKxR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqXBgfx6auQ

Official Lylat Cruise Discussion

BRIDGE OF ELDIN​


CONFIRMED: July 6 2007​



Bio: Dude... look at the size of that? It's like, 2.5 FD's!!! Yep, but, it's walk-off. Shame, isn't it. This flat stage from Twilight Princess is basically, just flat. The only major hazard is King Bulbin and Lord Bulbo's ride across the bridge, dropping bombs, and blowing pieces up. But don't worry, it will regenerate after time.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAIu2LMNQ_c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkS-aIsjqJo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FlZcc9sEtI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeS3QOQEyug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVj2G7L3qBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVyheWvrm0w
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2272358.html

Official Bridge of Eldin Discussion

SMASHVILLE​


CONFIRMED: July 13 2007​



Bio: This simple stage is very neutral, featuring only one-moving platform overhead. It takes place in an animal crossing village (is that Tom Nook?). The appearance of the stage is determined on the internal clock, making the stage dark or bright. It is rumored, that on Saturdays at 8, K.K. Slider gives off a little performance...


VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny89V-SKS3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGZ3vLcguLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVyO1_Nb8lc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtZVuNjcQxM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNuwnVgrKUI
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2276816.html

Official Smashville Discussion

RUMBLE FALLS​


CONFIRMED: July 23 2007​



Bio: Didn't Sakurai learn from Icicle Mountain? Well, at least this one only goes up, and apparently keeps going up, via planes. No hazards seem to be seen, and.... a re those ladders? Please, I'll just triple-jump....

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8VEhL6ivmU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clkpUX_H7Pc

Official Rumble Falls Discussion

SKYWORLD​


CONFIRMED: July 25 2007​



Bio: This seems to be the first ever Smash stage with completely destructible platforms. Well, sort of, once broken, clouds replace them, but they can be stood on, but smashed through. However, the stage quickly regenerates.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sqQkGeMUhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r9fSiAkqco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0gi3xGOwmc

Official Skyworld Discussion

CASTLE SIEGE​


CONFIRMED: August 2 2007​



Bio: In what should have been Akanea in Melee, Castle Siege is a new, moving 3-tiered stage. On the top, a typical castle top, but rather small. Soon, the players are warped to the walk-off interior with destructible platforms. Form there, they head off to the Underworld, where a single platforms hovers over a bottomless pit in hell. Ooooooooooo.... spooky.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNDTSwPXqs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmkZ9A-4BU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPQ7YzL2r5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNDTSwPXqs
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2268382.html

Official Castle Siege Discussion

WARIOWARE​


CONFIRMED: August 31 2007​



Bio: Simply incredible, magnificent... but yet, so... strange. The scenery from this stage is of the Gamecube Warioware, aka Mega Microgames. The basic area of the stage is rather simple, but sometimes, the stage will transport into a minigame, where players might have to fend off flying arrows, smashing hammers, and rain. Some sort of reward is also given out from this stage as well.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvFvT7XIaqE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBmCqDIrRsw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSTb9-iXc3k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzY7XLfSll0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXrKA75pxUQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng2ZxDLlCu4

Official WarioWare Discussion

POKÈMON STADIUM 2​


CONFIRMED: September 6 2007​



Bio: This stage seems to be exactly the same from the previous version, at least at start. Instead of the transformations from Melee, we have Ice, where things get slippery, Wind, where jumping ability is doubled, Ground, where heaps of Earth arises everywhere, and Electric, with many conveyor belts. Pokemon appear from the background, but it doesn't seem like they play a part in battle. Also, what does this mean for POKÈMON STADIUM 1?

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-12E-pwTZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUaSmZQ522Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfmq5D0UmU
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2272357.html

Official Pokemon Staidum 2 Discussion

BATTLESHIP HALBERD​


CONFIRMED: September 12 2007​



Bio: This stage has been a part of speculation, with its obvious involvement in the Subspace Emissary. Otherwise, it makes for a rather cool stage! Play begins in a hangar, where it eventually flies out and lands on the deck of the ship. From here, the player has to be aware of the ships laser, grappling arm, and cannons.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAqbx2VMpdo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH76CA2UiC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke2euGDZ5VE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjCy4bbEYhk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqAMbUQGEAc

Official Battleship Halberd Discussion

SHADOW MOSES ISLAND​


CONFIRMED: October 2 2007​



Bio: This stage is surrounded by high walls at the left and right. Death is only accomplishable above, unless you tear down those walls, which create walk-off sides. Those towers feature guards, whose spotlights simply cue an esclamation point and sound effect. And, every now and then, a Metal Gear will pop out of the back of the Facility. We know of REX, RAY, and a "slightly" newer model (the Gekkos).

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkAkMNi2RqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ScdNs0-8A – Japanese Conversations 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30zcBpIg2wk – Japanese Conversations 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe0moMrOsnI – Japanese Conversations 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lUo3BcrDOA – Japanese Conversations 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_PyPF-ZicA
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2273689.html
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2270330.html

Official Shadow Moses Discussion

NEW PORK CITY​


CONFIRMED: October 15 2007​



Bio: ****, that's huge! It’s pretty **** big. It's in scale with Hyrule Temple, but with platforms in seemingly random places. The background of billboards seems to be very distracting. Also, the “Ultimate Chimera”, a giant pink monster, attacks players occasionally, dealing out one hit KO’s.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yadP3ovYuPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhZ1kJ-bVbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEn9ga5hlN4

Offifical New Pork City Discussion

PICTOCHAT​


CONFIRMED: October 22 2007​



Bio: Honestly, what the heck is this?! This is one random stage. The stage starts flat, but eventually, drawings are drawn out and players fight on new, 2D, interactive, drawn platforms and obstacles. Could this stage mean Wii-DS-Brawl connectivity? One can only hope….

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSWQ2R_bz5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdF2m7x_ivw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSLFnrS8CAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9eSsUKZdpA

Official PictoChat Disussion

THE SUMMIT​


CONFIRMED: October 31, 2007​



Bio: Finally, the ice Climbers get an actually good stage! No more scrolling for these guys, it's sliding on from here. See, this stage begins at the summit, but all hell breaks loose, as the stage breaks off and slides into the water below, where polar bears and fish from Balloon Fight live.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQHw8TylNvI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNxQDiL9ej4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxE_13O05kg

Official The Summit Discussion

NORFAIR​


CONFIRMED: Novemer 9 2007​



Bio: If you had to guess what one Metroid stage would be like, what would you' say? Would it revolve around lava? Well, guess what... you're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! Norfair is a 5 platform stage in a V pattern, where lava rises from EVERY direction, from the left, right, above, beneath, pretty much everywhere. But now, a chamber appears to store players from the incoming lava. But you’ll have to fight to get in there.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1S5Arw6m-E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oigf5d8Tqos

Official Norfair Discussion

MARIO CIRCUIT​


CONFIRMED: December 13 2007​



Bio: In what should have been displayed MONTHS ago, we finally get confirmation of Mario Circuit. Here, you battle at the crossroads of a figure 8, with Shy Guys coming from below and jumping from above. They can be monitored, with a display screen in the back. You can also make them wipe out with a well timed hit.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57S933gM8IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02e6b6zfh3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTBGvg39C-g

Official Mario Circuit Discussion

FRIGATE ORPHEON​


CONFIRMED: DECEMBER 18 2007​



Bio: What's this? A decent Metroid stage without lava?! Praise the heavens... our prayers have been answered!!! In this stage, a battle takes place in front of the Queen Parasite, who watches over the battle. As the battle continues, the lights flicker on and off. Then, a siren will go off, signaling a complete 180 degree turn of the stage.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkMSkpz1W7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uckxhPd8zQY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOlYKWPnY1Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwr9GHbSH84

Official Frigate Orpheon Discussion

DISTANT PLANET​


CONFIRMED: JANUARY 15 2008​



Bio: The new Pikmin stage is in fact, very hectic. The platforms are bouncy, and when it rains, a downpour comes form the left walk-off incline, washing away players down below. At the right, a giant Bulbmin comes and eats all unsuspecting players. But is it representative of Pikmin and everything about it? Two words: HELL YES.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj6QT2kuT2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQBXHgJwlE

Official Distant Planet Discussion

MUSHROOMY KINGDOM​


CONFIRMED: JANUARY 23 2008​



Bio: If the Mushroom Kingdom were nuked, this is what it would look like. Though, it still looks pretty good. Sometimes at random World 1-2 will load. With cool fire lanterns. Fire lanterns.

VIDEOS:
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2277335.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpDS_dvLADE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAvJMrbwyYQ

OFFICIAL Mushroomy Kingdom Discussion

PORT TOWN AERO DIVE​


CONFIRMED (ON THE DOJO): FEBRUARY 4 2008​



Bio: A new F-Zero stage with the same fell, but different look of the old Melee stage Mute City. Port Town is a bit darker, and inculdes several areas where the cars do not interact with the players, like a giant platform above the match.

VIDEOS:
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vid_2273675.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSRE2AEREjg

OFFICIAL Port Town Discussion Thread

FINAL DESTINATION​


CONFIRMED (ON THE DOJO): FEBRUARY 5 2008​



Bio: It's FD, only much more beautiful. Dropping the multi-sided ocatognalish shape, FD goes with a simple yet stylish rectangle shape, that travelts through time and space in the background, visiting planets and wormholes. One of the most, if not the most beautiful stage in the game.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1KZFEPnZx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLJ7gKOG3-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGcvQqUFN7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RImCW5hgidE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebn3KCNgBvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Q_02wfrH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4V8nLj_7dk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke2euGDZ5VE

OFFICIAL Final Destination Thread

MARIO BROS.​


CONFIRMED (ON THE DOJO): FEBRUARY 12 2008​



Bio: Oho! Now THAT’S a faithful recreation! - says Sakurai. And I guess he's right. It all ,ooks just like the classic arcade game. The screen does not scroll, and all sides are walk-off. It is rather hard to kill someone through the air, as all of the platofrms are non-pass through. The goal is to beat your opponents mainly off of the sides, which is more easily accomplished by acquiring turtle shells the old-school style way. Then, throw them into enemies.

VIDOES:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9TM1A3s4QE - In the middle at 1:52

OFFICIAL Mario Bros. Discussion

GREEN HILL ZONE​


CONFIRMED (ON THE DOJO): FEBRUARY 14 2008​



Bio: Sonic fans could not have asked for more when it came to this stage. It perfectly recreates the feel of the classic Sonic the Hegehog games (not the recent crap ones mind you), and features one giant dip in the middle, with walk-offs on both sides; fairly symmetrical. In the background, knuckles, Silver, and Tails perform cameos as they spin around the shuttle loop. Also, the stage breaks away in the dip as it takes damage.

VIDOES:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu1xGl3JRtI

OFFICIAL Green Hill Zone Discussion

LUIGI'S MANSION​


CONFIRMED (ON THE DOJO): FEBRUARY 18 2008​



Bio: Probably one of the most requested and predicted stages, Luigi's Masnion makes its appearance. The stage takes place over a large ditch, and features 3 main platforms, 2 within the house and one on top. On the sides are small moving platforms. The supports in the house can be broken, crumbling the house. If the entire house is destroyed, after a certain amount of time, it will respawn.

VIDOES:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4In7ng3Ing
http://208.65.153.251/watch?v=TfND2BkuKbY
http://208.65.153.251/watch?v=dyOKjywWZ7o

OFFICIAL Luigi's Mansion Discussion

SPEAR PILLAR​


CONFIRMED (ON THE DOJO): FEBRUARY 29 2008​



Bio: Spear Pillar is technically a two-faced stage. The stage takes on a blueish or purplish hue depending on the Pokemon that will appear in the background. In the background, it is known that 3 different type of pokemon will appear, all creating different havok on the players, like tilting the stage, slowing time, flipping the stage upside-down, and shooting beams across the satge.

VIDOES:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16crd11yoKw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5TRfeYkeEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiRG9VY9JdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qfdIP9XboA

OFFICIAL Spear Pillar Discussion

75m​


CONFIRMED (ON THE DOJO): MARCH 4 2008​



Bio: Again, another predicted stage has made it into Brawl. Albeit, everyoine would expect 25m to show up, but instead, 75m does. This stage is humongous, featuring tons of platforms of different varieties. The original Donkey Kong (who is actually Cranky Kong) stays dormant in the back of the top, but sometimes runs up to the front and threatesn anyone who touches him.

VIDOES:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGvSPYMd74A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Mb3w2CfCg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm4RrTFIO5Q

OFFICIAL 75m Discussion
 
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grud315

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RETURNING MELEE STAGES​

HYRULE TEMPLE​


CONFIRMED: November 30 2007​



It's good to hear that many stages will be returning in Brawl. It's bad to hear that some of these stages will get pretty much no grpahical overhaul. Yet, Hyrule Temple still remains a classic stage, so it's good to see it back.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=terNXoVUu_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rQaB4haDU8

Official Hyrule Temple Discussion

YOSHI'S ISLAND​


CONFIRMED: Januray 7 2008​



Another classic stage from Melee returns, in Yoshi's Island. Are there seriously 2 Yoshi's Islands? Well, for those of you who don't know, the opening area is Yoshi’s Island, only in the grown-up Mario times, and with different enemies.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ezpgf0fE8U

CORNERIA​


CONFIRMED: Januray 7 2008​


The first stage that has appeared in all version of Smash has come forward in Corneria! Quite possibly one of the most famous stages, here you battle atop he Great Fox (not as big as it seems huh?) as Arwings attempt to shoot you off. Watch out for those twin lasers!

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2RB7Fj9g6U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO3yqRNVwI0

ONETT​


CONFIRMED: Januray 7 2008​



Onett's returns? What does that mean for Ness? Well, pretty much nothing. This stage was not heavily favortied, due to walk-off ledges and an annoying interfering car crash sequence.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArYA8Mqeqh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDPUEabil10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8366TTCmqzA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiY29rRPRnU – Somewhere in here

BRINSTAR​


CONFIRMED: Januray 7 2008​



Well, after Corneria, we got our second stage that has appeared in all previous versions of Smash. Definitely not favorited by the majority of Smash players, it is here that the original Acid?Lava idea came along, where acid rises at a random pace to burn the player. And is that the Pokemon trainer in the distance? Man, he's gotta have one hellofa arm to reach the stage from there....

VIDEOS:
NONE YET

RAINBOW RIDE​


CONFIRMED: Januray 7 2008​



To those who were wondering what so different? well, two things. One, the name is different, it used to be called Rainbow CRUISE... but this seems to be a biit more fitting. After all, we already have Lylat Cruise, is another neccessary? And two, the layout and background have been changed. it seems that battles take place on moving carpets, much like the original game.

VIDEOS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdDPFvNAjTU – First section
 
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courte

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ok i don't remember and i won't go back but... did icicle mountain ever move down?? i want to say no, but i haven't played that stage in so long
 
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JC-Gamer

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courte said:
ok i don't remember and i won't go back but... did icicle mountain ever move down?? i want to say no, but i haven't played that stage in so long
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Yeah it did. But it went up a lot more often than down. Once it got to the summit (Yeah there actually is a summit) for me and it stayed fixed which actually made the stage kind of all right.

And don't say there isn't a summit because I've seen it before and I was like, "What the hell?"

Right... sorry about that, a bit off topic.
 
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Terrorcon Blot

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Is it exactly right to start doling out "BANNED" "LEGAL" "SEMI-LEGAL" for a game we haven't even played yet?
 
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Darkpaladin of Chaos

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By the way, those spotlights on Shadow Moses Island don't do crap to players, except give them a little exclamation mark above them (which does absolutely nothing).
 
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coolnerd15

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great... all the interesting and fun looking stages banned >_>

you know you could wait until, you know... the game comes out?
 
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Zorygon-P

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I hope I don't sound like a hardass, but I have to say something here.
Most of these stages are banned for BS reasons.
Yeah, you can say "this is just opinion" all you want, but it doesn't change my point.

Here's a couple pieces of criticism:
-WarioWare. If you don't like the minigames, don't listen to what they say to do.
People who concentrate on fighting and following the minigame would logically be more distracted than those of you who are not following it.
Now, while I can't say I know what the punishment is for not following the minigames' directions, the only matches I've seen on the WarioWare stage ended fast enough that it doesn't look like you take extra damage or more knockback for ignoring the instructions.

-Distant Planet has obvious cues to rain, and if you use even a bit of basic logic combined with observation, you'd note that slope + water = current -> death by falling down off-screen. Also, the Bulborb periodically opens its mouth to yawn - it doesn't appear to actively attack people, and it's easily avoidable.

Then again, I'm new here. While you could ignore me on that principle alone, I'd hope you can take criticism without resorting to comparisons of join dates.
 
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grud315

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If all of you are so pissed off at my **** opinions, I'll remove them, if it will shut you up.
I don't understanmd why I can't have my own god **** opinions without people ****ting onee about them. So many people on this site have had their own friggin opinions about the game, some right and some wring. So why are you all suddenly ****ting on me for mine.

Alright, I'll remove them. Cause all of you jsut seem to be little *****es.
 
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Project Occasus

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Ap0llo said:
pretty gay opinions if you ask me
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No one is asking you, anyway.

This forum would be a heck of a lot a better place if people like you didn't post. The fact is, a lot of competitive play bans some stages in order to create as fair play as possible. That's a fact. So if someone wants to give their opinion on what will probably be banned or not, they're not allowed? It's just something to talk or think about.

Everyone believes a forum is a place where we can voice our opinions, but that doesn't mean we can just say whatever we want. You can't just come along and say "Your opinion is wrong." We're here to talk about the game, so if you're not going to do so then would you kindly stop posting all together?

Zorygon has the right idea; You can disagree if you're not going to be a huge jerk about it. And honestly, if you'd really think about it, you'd realize that being nice about things is the most logical choice, but I suppose that doesn't come to mind for you.

grud, I actually was interested in what you had to say. I even returned to this topic to see what stages you thought would be banned etc. I'm not even much of a competitive player(I usually play on any map) but I just wanted to see things from the side of the competitive players. I think you should put your opinion back up, not for me, but for you. Don't let anyone convince you to make your opinion unheard, because it wasn't hurting anyone.


Apollo, if you actually thought about it, you'd realize that grud was doing less whining and making a good point. But of course you jsut cast his remarks aside. That's close minded.
 
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Yeah, why are walk off edges bad again? If we find any sideways-moving chaingrab type combo, I can see them being banned, but for now I think walk off edges shouldn't affect the legality of a stage.
 
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Project Occasus said:
No one is asking you, anyway.

This forum would be a heck of a lot a better place if people like you didn't post. The fact is, a lot of competitive play bans some stages in order to create as fair play as possible. That's a fact. So if someone wants to give their opinion on what will probably be banned or not, they're not allowed? It's just something to talk or think about.

Everyone believes a forum is a place where we can voice our opinions, but that doesn't mean we can just say whatever we want. You can't just come along and say "Your opinion is wrong." We're here to talk about the game, so if you're not going to do so then would you kindly stop posting all together?

Zorygon has the right idea; You can disagree if you're not going to be a huge jerk about it. And honestly, if you'd really think about it, you'd realize that being nice about things is the most logical choice, but I suppose that doesn't come to mind for you.

grud, I actually was interested in what you had to say. I even returned to this topic to see what stages you thought would be banned etc. I'm not even much of a competitive player(I usually play on any map) but I just wanted to see things from the side of the competitive players. I think you should put your opinion back up, not for me, but for you. Don't let anyone convince you to make your opinion unheard, because it wasn't hurting anyone.


Apollo, if you actually thought about it, you'd realize that grud was doing less whining and making a good point. But of course you jsut cast his remarks aside. That's close minded.
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Yeah, I think you missed the point by a long shot. It's okay to have opinions, but having opinions on what should be banned when the game has 1)not even been out a week and 2)has not been played by 99.5% of the Smash community is dumb. By what metric are you judging what should be tournament legal?
 
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IrateChozo said:
Yeah, I think you missed the point by a long shot. It's okay to have opinions, but having opinions on what should be banned when the game has 1)not even been out a week and 2)has not been played by 99.5% of the Smash community is dumb. By what metric are you judging what should be tournament legal?
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I did not miss the point, and it is not dumb to have on opinion on which stages you think will be banned. Saying this stage or that stage will probably be banned is no different then saying this character will probably be really good or that this certain game mode will be fun. These opinions aren't finalized, and no one is saying they are.

It is entirely possible to be able to predict what might be banned. I don't know exactly what criteria is used to ban stages, but they are obviously banned for a reason, so it's not unreasonable for us to make predictions. AND I repeat, these predictions aren't finalized and no one is saying they are.

Also, my point was that we should be allowed to express our own opinions about this game, but our expression should be limited as to not just blindly dismiss what others say as drivel. Are you saying you disagree with that?(not trying to mock you, I'm sincerely asking)


EDIT: Let put this really basic like.
-He's giving an opinion
-It's no unreasonable to make a simple opinion based prediction when it's based on some sort of criteria, even if it's hard to measure.
-If it's not unreasonable, it's not fair to say his opinion is wrong or dumb. Just ignore the opinion if you dislike it so much.
 
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Project Occasus said:
EDIT: Let put this really basic like.
-He's giving an opinion
-It's no unreasonable to make a simple opinion based prediction when it's based on some sort of criteria, even if it's hard to measure.
-If it's not unreasonable, it's not fair to say his opinion is wrong or dumb. Just ignore the opinion if you dislike it so much.
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-So what? Having an opinion doesn't mean it's free from criticism.

-The best criteria we have is stuff we learned from Melee, but that doesn't mean it's going to apply straight across to Brawl. Hell, look at the tier list differences between SSB and Melee: Pikachu, Kirby and Ness were on top of the world in the original but are in low tier purgatory in Melee. The OP cites "walk off edges" as a reason for banning some of the stages he lists, but will those even be an issue considering that Fox can no longer waveshine people off the stage? We're applying Melee criteria to Brawl stages without considering the reason those factors are considered in the first place, or if they're even important anymore.

Bannings should be rare, justified by empirical evidence that they unbalance the game too far in favor of one player. You're not going to get that evidence a week after release.

-see point one. If you want to make an assertion, you need to be able to back it up. Saying "OMG it's my opinion" does not shield you from criticism.
 
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By all means you CAN disagree, but just saying "it's a dumb opinion" is being a jerk about it. If you want to say "I don't think this should be banned because of ..." that's fine.

I'm all for none of these being as suspected when we actually get our hands on the game, but that's not the point. It's just discussion, and as i said before no one is saying that the opinions and predictions in this topic are 100% final(seriously, remember this part). My point is that you can't just tell someone an opinion is dumb and leave at that, when clearly these opinion are hurting no one. They're just predictions on the game(and it doesn't matter if they're wrong, we can discuss that if we like)

The reason I posted in the first place is because Apollo decided to post with such a trivial comment as "your opinion is gay" and that's just childish. I'm not saying that if the OP says a stage might be banned or legal, that he will be right, that's for discussion. I didn't think it was fair that the OP should feel as though he is being attacked and then want to remove his opinions because someone wants to be unreasonably offensive. THAT is what's not fair.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and when I went on earlier about how it's reasonable to make a prediction, I didn't mean it's reasonable to do so and then claim it as always fact. We just have to take a prediction for what it is. I know everybody always makes predictions like this, but we need to remember not to take them seriously all the time.
 
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JC-Gamer said:
Yeah it did. But it went up a lot more often than down. Once it got to the summit (Yeah there actually is a summit) for me and it stayed fixed which actually made the stage kind of all right.

And don't say there isn't a summit because I've seen it before and I was like, "What the hell?"

Right... sorry about that, a bit off topic.
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now i need to see this-- how long were you playing, or is that really just not true??
 
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It's true. I saw it. I can't remember how long it took to get up there though... I think about 15 minutes. It might have been a glitch though I don't think so. It explains the level in the Debug Menu that is called Mountain-Top (I don't know if that's the exact name but it's something like that). I wonder if someone could make a cheat to make it not freeze when you click on it in the debug menu. I'll try and get there again and post it on my Youtube account.
 
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Good info thread.

I don't think you ought to put whether stages are going to be banned or not simply based on your speculation.

This is not Melee and we probably shouldn't ban anything until its been proven unfair in tournaments.

Environmental hazards usually don't lead to a ban unless it gives massive advantages to a couple characters.

Stages got banned in Melee because they were broken (Fox being able to stall forever on Yoshi 64, Temple, Termina, etc). Action oriented stages were always counter-pick if deemed unfair to everyone.

"neutral" does not imply that a stage is flat or hazard free. Its a stage where no character really has any significant advantage. It just happens that basically every stage like this is low on hazards. Something like Yoshi's Island (Brawl) shouldn't automatically be labeled counter-pick and Warioware isn't necessarily banned.

Not yet at least.
 
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Time for some serious debate and facetious satire.
grud315 said:
DELFINO PLAZA​
Stage Legality Opinion: COUNTERPICK. While the stage is moving to random places and behaves like Mute City, and despite the fact that at one point there is a giant wall to the right at one point, the thing is, is there any actual outer influence on the player in terms of damage? Can’t imagine this one being banned.
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Oh no! A wall on the right of the screen? Characters with wall-jumps have an unfair advantage.

YOSHI'S ISLAND​
Stage Legality Opinion: COUNTERPICK. It will be legal as long as the Chain Chomps don’t interfere in battle, and the Support Ghost appears at random intervals.
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Chain Chomps? I think those are just part of the background.

BRIDGE OF ELDIN​
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Stage Legality Opinion: BANNED. Hard to believe a flat stage would be banned. It’s way too big, walk-off, and has huge interference with King Bulbo, and the destruction of the stage.
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Oh no! Walk-off edges? That means Fox can infinite waveshine you to death. Because wavedashing totally exists in Brawl.

SMASHVILLE​
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Stage Legality Opinion: LEGAL. The top platform moves from side to side, but
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You say that like moving platforms make the stage less competitive.

CASTLE SIEGE​
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Stage Legality Opinion: COUNTERPICK. The middle of the 3 stages, the castle itself, is walk-off. Otherwise, I’d say it’s definitely LEGAL.
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Oh no! Walk-off edges? That means Fox can infinite waveshine you to death. Because wavedashing totally exists in Brawl.

BATTLESHIP HALBERD​
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Stage Legality Opinion: LEGAL. The beginning area is too short to be deemed a walk-off.
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Well, is it a walk-off or isn't it? After all, if the stage is a walk-off for ANY period of time, that means Fox can infinite waveshine you to death. Because wavedashing totally exists in Brawl.

PICTOCHAT​
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Stage Legality Opinion: BANNED. The order of transformations is probably random, and very interfering.
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That's like saying "Burn her, because she's probably a witch, and very evil."

DISTANT PLANET​
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Stage Legality Opinion:COUNTERPICK/BANNED. The left side is walk-off, and there are quite a bit of hazards with the rainfall and giant Bulborn. The rain is probably like being on the track in Big Blue, though it is easy to get out of it.
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I couldn't agree more. The rain and the wandering Bulborb are too disruptive. Players with common sense get an unfair advantage.

MUSHROOMY KINGDOM​
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Stage Legality Opinion: COUNTERPICK/BANNED. The Overworld seems legal enough. Though it's walk-off,
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No waveshining = walk off edges OK.
it is rather easy to kill someone in that stage. Items might cahnge that thoguh (from the ? boxes).
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Turning items off FTW?
The underworld though, whole different story. It looks rather impossible to kills omeoene,
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Fsmash FTW?
and charatcers like Bowser will have an extremely rough time getting around the stage.
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Destructible blocks FTW?
 
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G-X, I am actually happy that you posted all that. Your opinions and actual insihgt are actually changing my opinions on the stages.

And officially I'll be removing my impressions until I play Brawl.I should be playing extensively soon, (know a guy who bought a copy), so maybe then I'll post them back up. Until then, they are going to be down.

Hope that that doesn't upset anyone...
 
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SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST - MODS THIS IS SEPERATE FROM PREVIOUS POST

BTW - To ZAROX -

You are not accepting messages - so I might as well right it here, and try to message you back.

You may absolutely link this to your website. AS long as i get credited, and you do everything exactly the way you said you would. And not to sound like a *******, but I would like to see the website for proof when your done.
 
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lol G-X, thanks for your "very serious" insights, they all are really good. I totally agree with you on every account. However, the main reason people ban walk off edges in Brawl is because as DK you can easily throw your opponent out of bounds.

However, I think that that is just part of the game and that if you're playing against DK you should just stay away from the edges.
 
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JC-Gamer said:
lol G-X, thanks for your "very serious" insights, they all are really good. I totally agree with you on every account. However, the main reason people ban walk off edges in Brawl is because as DK you can easily throw your opponent out of bounds.

However, I think that that is just part of the game and that if you're playing against DK you should just stay away from the edges.
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No, DK= Suck tier and no one uses him competively.
Walk-off was banned in melee due to Fox's infinate shine. With wavedash removed Walk-offs are perfectly fair.

I hate walk-offs due to the removal of any edgegame (where I shine) I still don't think they should be banned.

Only stage I forsee getting a ban is New Pork and Hyrule Temp. due to ranged stalling.
 
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Gimpyfish62 said:
who are you and why do you think you can establish stage bans

thats pretty much up to the smash back room
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Excuse me, but I never said I had any authority in the matter. I just stated my own opinions. Opinions are always allowed. (You would have understood that if you actually read previous posts) I don't give a rat's *** what you care about my opinions. I just stated them because I'm sure that someone agrees with me.

Besides, you don't have to agree with me but you can't say I don't have the authority to state my own opinions. Where I come from we have freedom of speech.
 
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its always good to have all types of stages, ima be training like hell on final destination and other pro stages. Becase i have not played mele in forever. I need to get my game back up
 
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