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Mario's Got New Moves?

Kirby King

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Maybe Sakurai’s been reading up on kirbykid’s “New Move Sets?” series, because it looks like he’s taken it upon himself to <a href="http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/mario.html#2nd">give Mario a bit of a facelift</a> in the first part of today’s double update. Ordinarily an update on a veteran’s special moves would be as far removed from “interesting” as one could get, but here… it’s a little different.

<img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mario_070906a-l.jpg" />

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Mario, in keeping with the theme of incorporating elements of Super Mario Sunshine into Brawl, has inherited F.L.U.D.D. as his new down special move. How’s it work? Pretty simple. Press down and “B” (yes, Sakurai calls it B, even though the Wiimote-only control will probably use 1, and the classic controller uses “b” for normal attacks), and hold it as long as you want to charge—yes, it’s another one of those special chargeable attacks. (Update 5:55 AM EDT: Sakurai does note that you can charge the attack while shielding, which while we don’t see specifically, raises a slew of questions about that whole situation.)

<img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mario_070906b-l.jpg" />

One curious caveat? When you release, you won’t be doing any damage to your enemies. It will send them flying, though, so perhaps it’ll end up being a decent way to KO people from a distance.

<img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mario_070906c-l.jpg" />

Of course, if Mario’s got a new down special attack, something must have happened to the Mario Tornado, right? Right. Now if only we knew what.

<img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mario_070906d-l.jpg" />

Sakurai ponders, “He still seems to have this move, though. Eh? Is it a normal attack?!” which best I can tell is Japanese for “yes, it’s a normal attack”. My bet is a down smash, but as usual, I could be wrong.

What do you think of the F.L.U.D.D.ed Mario? Will this be of any use at all in gameplay? What about the fate of the Tornado? Give us your thoughts.

<strong>Update 4:17 AM EDT:</strong> A couple posters are suggesting that the Tornado might now be Mario’s down aerial attack, which is actually a reasonable guess (since they point out we’ve been seeing him do it in the air, and not on the ground).
 

Flyingsheep

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I had a feeling for a while that Mario was getting an upgrade. A move up in the tier list?
 

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I'll say this only helps Balance Mario even more with

two distant and close combat moves

two offensive attcks and two defensive attacks

Mario tornado never worked in competitive play anyways (Not on the ground at least and it seems to be an arial) So I'm all for the change though I'm not a big Mario user so my opinion doesn't really matter.
 

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Great. it gives new possibility to the other Veterans (only not for Link =))
Kirbys Hammer could be a smash attack.
Luigi's Down Special is for sure his Vaccum.
Peach's Forward Specal could be a smash to.
etc.

I think Marios Tornado is now his Aerial+Neutral+A.
 

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i think mario tornado is the dair, look at the first brawl vid. he is using it against link when he is pretty high up in the air. Even though sakurai has said that they will boost the aerials I dont think we will be able to perform airsmashes.
 

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Something of Minimal Importance

I believe the tornado is Mario's up-B. If it isn't, it IS probably his down B arial.
Note: This is in fact the same "Someone" poster previously, but I forgot the account's password.
Another Note: what happened with the older, simpler layout of this site. Now I am completely lost.
 

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Looks interesting.

F.L.U.D.D.'s capabilities could be quite dynamic, and definately something we haven't seen in a Smash game yet. Perhaps this is another tally towards the "rumor" of Brawl using the Havok engine. We haven't seen it in action, but the pushing action of it should be something of a different, more "fluid" feel (no pun intended). In previous Smash games, attack+contact with character/object=damage+abrupt knockback, if the actor could be knocked back. The Havok engine is noteworthy for realistic interaction between actors, and if an attack such as F.L.U.D.D. was in Melee, the characters would have probably suffered a whiplash reaction. Riding on sliding crates, F.L.U.D.D. and even the Flying Stage in Pokemon Stadium seem to solidify the question of Havok's use in Brawl.
 

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I think Marios Tornado is now his Aerial+Neutral+A.
I doubt it, we've already seen his old Neutral Air attack, though doesn't mena things couldn't have been moved around again.

I think if anything it could be his new Up-Air.
 

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I wonder if FLUDD will be implemented into his up-B, for recovery using it's Hover Nozzle... and if they'll make use of the Rocket Nozzle and Turbo Nozzle.
 

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I doubt it, we've already seen his old Neutral Air attack, though doesn't mena things couldn't have been moved around again.

I think if anything it could be his new Up-Air.
No too, you can see his Up-Air at Nintendog scene in the first trailer.

All seems to be his Down-Air o.o~
 

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Interesting. I'm a Mario user, and I really don't know if this new moveset will work wonders. I mean, I'll be trying to Down+B and out comes the FLUDD. Hax.
 

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You could be right, it could be a down B smash.
But my first thought when I saw it was ditch-able items.
Ive noticed a lot of characters seem to have moves that can be lost or removed, warios bike, diddys jet pack. Perhaps this is marios version. Maybe both fludd and tornado are on down B, it just depends on wether you have the fludd weapon.
 

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Another interesting note, according to the update(Unless I misread), you can charge FLUDD with your shield on.
 

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Don't both the Mario Tornado and Cape delay Mario while he's in the air? Sheesh, if FLUDD acts like it did in Mario Sunshine and can be used as a jetpack, he's gonna have a heck of a lot of recovery options. My poor, poor Link...

Hmm... just thought of something... Giga Browser?
 

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Personally I think this means its curtains for the Cape. Let's see what we know.
Each character has four special moves (How To: Special Attack Update). Mario retains his Up+B: Super Punch (How To: Recover Update). Mario still has his Fireball attack (Possible direction change?) as seen in videos and various screenshots. His Down+B has changed to F.L.U.D.D. And he can still use Mario Tornado. I may be wrong (I probably am) but still...
 

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i like the idea of the down b on the ground and in the air are different. gives more options to charaters with down b's that do nothing in the air. like dk...
 

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sorry for the double post, but i had to mention something else. its says in the update that he can charge it while shielding. wow. i wonder who else can do that? sounds like new strats to me
 

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I liked the update, I'm all for the FLUDD. Also revealed abit more about Rumble Falls with the cog / wheel thing which might rotate, moving the platforms.
 

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I think it's pretty obviously his down air, the tornado that is. We know that it is a standard A attack, we know it's done in the air, and his old Dair was pretty similar to a tornado anyway. So logically, the tornado is his new down air. Also, assuming this is true, it won't be used for recovery anymore, so I hope the Fludd can be used as such.
 

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Possibly Fludd is Mario's down B on the ground and his Mario Tornado is down b in the air. This could mean a new down b Move in the air for Peach and DK.
 
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I believe the tornado is Mario's up-B. If it isn't, it IS probably his down B arial.
Note: This is in fact the same "Someone" poster previously, but I forgot the account's password.
Another Note: what happened with the older, simpler layout of this site. Now I am completely lost.

That is an interesting concept. I hope so, I really liked Mario's Dair.
 

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Mario's F.L.U.D.D. is going to make edge guarding so cheap. If some one is far enough away off the stage you can just whip it out and there's no way they would be able to get back.
 

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I think this might be something of a costume change for Mario. But, rather than completely change the character, Sakurai has changed just one, possibly more, of his special moves. Before the game, you could choose whether or not Mario carries around the FLUDD, thus changing Mario's vB. It seems to me that you trade off some recovery for a little more offensive ability.

This could be used for other characters, i.e. Luigi and his vacuum, but if the changes are limited to one or two special moves, it doesn't need to be forced onto ALL characters. It could be limited to a small group, like the gliders.
 

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What makes you think it'll work from that long of a range?
It doesn't "have" to be long range. They could be close and you could just blast them away. Also, if you could see them about to do there second jump you could just hose them right when they do it so they lose it.
 

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It doesn't "have" to be long range. They could be close and you could just blast them away. Also, if you could see them about to do there second jump you could just hose them right when they do it so they lose it.
Anytime you could do that effectively though, you could just as easily chain back airs till they die, or cape their recovery.
 

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Ok, let me clarify something right now. Many people on here seem to have the impression the tornado is still a B move. Now I know that Sakurai is a very subtle person[/sarcasm], but he has already confirmed it is a standard attack.

Sakurai said:
He still seems to have this move, though.
Eh? Is it a normal attack?!
See? That is what we call a "rhetorical" question, because it is a question he asked not needing an answer.
 

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Hahah perhaps I'm alone in this one, but this update really threw me for a loop. Seeing a veteran with a new special move--something that we had hoped for in some cases but never seen--opens up a slew of possibilities. Those Special Moves updates are all the more important now! SamuraiPanda's "What moves has Sakurai shown us?" should also prove helpful in determining which moves Sakurai might have changed.
 

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unless i see the fludd being used in the air, i'm gonna go with different effects with his down b. on ground it's the fludd, and in the air it's the tornado. it only makes sense. after all, who uses mario's tornado on the ground anyways
 

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unless i see the fludd being used in the air, i'm gonna go with different effects with his down b. on ground it's the fludd, and in the air it's the tornado. it only makes sense. after all, who uses mario's tornado on the ground anyways
Again, Sakurai has all but confirmed the tornado as a standard attack. Use your logic, please, if you have any.
 

Kinnikuman

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Attention!

This means Luigi's down special will be the VACUUM and it will pull instead of push maybe!
 

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The F.L.U.D.D. better not become broken in terms of an intercepting move >.>.

Anyway, maybe his tornado is his new up+B? Or maybe it's replaced the cape and he moves sideways like Luigi when you do it.
 
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