Falco's moves and their killing potential !

Blad01 · Mar 30, 2008

Hello guys !

Remember Famitsu's informations on top killing moves of every character ?

I did (almost) the same things for Falco.

The percents are calculated with this settings :
- On the center of FD.
- On Mario.
- On a CPU Lvl 9 (Famistu used a lvl3 CPU...)
- Le DI and air dodge are taken in account !
- Smashs are not charged.
- NKP = No Killing Potential (more than 200%)

Falco said:
Up Smash : 122 %
Down Smash : 160% Direct; 154% non direct
Side Smash: 115%

Up Tilt: 159%
Down Tilt : 157%
Side Tilt : NKP (216%)

ANA : NKP
AUA : 139%
ABA : 158%
ADA : 183% (with ground) [Spike]

In conlusion, Falco's three best killing moves are :

1. Dair, which is a pretty strong spike
2. Side Smash
3. Up Smash

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Ok. If you want to compare with fox or Wolf by example :

Fox said:
Up Smash : 93%
Down Smash : 152% Direct;
Side Smash : 129%

Up Tilt : 154% (back), 189% (in front)
Down Tilt : 192%
Side Tilt : NKP (+250%)

ANA : NKP
AUA : 122%
ABA : 133%
ADA : NKP

Wolf said:
Up Smash : 128%
Down Smash : 118%
Side Smash : 149%

Up Tilt : 130%
Down Tilt : NKP
Side Tilt : 199% (...)

ANA : NKP (200%)
AUA : 166%
ABA : 152%
ADA : 181% (with ground) [Spike]

W.Jr · Mar 30, 2008

falco overall has potential

Blad01 · Mar 30, 2008

I added Wolf, so now we can compare the three Lylat Wars characters

But i just figured that i forgot the Forward Aerial...

Fluke · Mar 31, 2008

Nice info there.

More proof that falco's fsmash is awesome.

And in terms of speed and power, falco is quite a good mix between fox and wolf.

MyRevenge. · Apr 1, 2008

Beautiful Numbers there :D
Nice...

Najin · Apr 6, 2008

I'm still not sure if the kill potential makes up for the lag for fsmash.

Rat · May 5, 2008

These do not include DI. When you hit a computer in training mode, it does not DI. It also does not include momentum stopping moves, like Jumping, Dairing, or whatever. I'm working on a more accurate list.

Blad01 · May 5, 2008

Rat said:
These do not include DI. When you hit a computer in training mode, it does not DI. It also does not include momentum stopping moves, like Jumping, Dairing, or whatever. I'm working on a more accurate list.

Yes, Lvl9 CPU does use DI + Air Dodge.
I can't see the advantage of doing a list which includes stopping moves (or everything else), because mine list is used as an indication of knockback

But of you do an accurate list, i would like to see it ^^

Da N · May 5, 2008

We all knew that Falco has a bunch of kill moves but great job getting them organized.

tutata · Jun 13, 2008

Great work.

Zapp · May 5, 2009

Awesome list. Thanks for the info and the comparisons :D

Typ_Ex · May 6, 2009

i have got to disagree with this, in my opinion the 3 best (in no order): front smash, down air, back air. or at least these are the 3 i usually use to kill. id add up smash but i think front is better.

Vlade · May 6, 2009

^ Good luck hitting with fsmash against good players

#HBC | ZoZo · May 6, 2009

Oh lord thread necro'ing

Gmoney_ · May 6, 2009

Vlade said:
^ Good luck hitting with fsmash against good players

2 things I do to hit with Fsmash are:
1: Punish rolls (especially after a dair on high % percentages)
2: Punish an Air dodge

and believe me, this also works some times on actually good players ^^

-Jumpman- · May 6, 2009

I can confirm this sadly.

Typ_Ex · May 6, 2009

-Jumpman- said:
I can confirm this sadly.

heh, you're the same jumpman online falco player?

but anyways yes, those mentioned ways are how I land front smashes. It also can be used as a ledge guard when people are trying to come back.

-Jumpman- · May 6, 2009

Typ_Ex said:
heh, you're the same jumpman online falco player?

but anyways yes, those mentioned ways are how I land front smashes. It also can be used as a ledge guard when people are trying to come back.

No, I'm not. I'm a Dutch MK player. About the same level as Gmoney (Falco).

#HBC | ZoZo · May 6, 2009

Gregs (gmoney) is argueably the best falco in holland, and jumpman the only MK that can use him to a high potential.

just to say, don't take their opinion to lightly

Jumpman when did you get purple? Gz

Sylv · May 6, 2009

Thank you for clarifying Falco's moveset to me. I'm making a transition from the 64 to Brawl, and I need to get rid of some bad habits

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NJzFinest · May 6, 2009

Dang, 64 to Brawl is going to be hard, they're basically opposites.

Get used to the huge difference in hitsun xD

edit:

Blad01, can you add stats on Falco's Bair?

Roxas1988 · Jul 20, 2009

FALCO IS A BEASTT!!!!!! just gotta know how to laser camp CG and woop *** with him!!!

Bushido-89 · Aug 8, 2009

Much appreciated.

Denzi · Aug 8, 2009

Bushido-89 said:
Much appreciated.

Wow...

Don't bump a thread for something like that.

blairz08 · Aug 18, 2009

id say falco has a chance if u know how to use hime well he can become a feirce oponent but if ur ok with him and if ur up against a good brawl player theres no chance even with trying to fsmash!

Phantom7 · Aug 21, 2009

Falco's Ssmash has tons of potential. It has an invisible hitbox, great range (not including the invisible hitbox), a hitbox behind him, it's decently fast, and it has great KO power.

PWNZ3r0 · Sep 3, 2009

Vlade said:
^ Good luck hitting with fsmash against good players

You can do it just hit their controls down on the floor lol.

Teran · Sep 3, 2009

Don't bump old threads with spam posts please.

nesti9elbruto · Sep 26, 2009

Falco has tons of potential, but... the smash for me aren't good, I prefer the Dair Spike.
I use the Dair Spike in ALL the brawls I played with him.

#HBC | ZoZo · Sep 26, 2009

nesti9elbruto said:
Falco has tons of potential, but... the smash for me aren't good, I prefer the Dair Spike.
I use the Dair Spike in ALL the brawls I played with him.

Teran said:
Don't bump old threads with spam posts please.

Intelligence is declining

GunmasterLombardi · Sep 26, 2009

nesti9elbruto said:
Falco has tons of potential, but... the smash for me aren't good, I prefer the Dair Spike.
I use the Dair Spike in ALL the brawls I played with him.

But it doesn't work anymore in top level play. High level yes, but SK92 and Larry haven't gotten much of their K.O.s from dair spiking.

Emperor Time · Sep 26, 2009

>Consistent Dair teching

Lol.

Z'zgashi · Jan 20, 2010

I think the best kill moves would be

1. Side Smash - I kill with this 90% of the time I even use it.
2. Uair - It's quick, got a nice hitbox, and is good with airial mindgames.
3. Bair - Personally, I love this move. It has good spacing, minimal lag, and good priority.

Kill potential isn't all about power and knockback (it is a great factor however) but also it's playability.

Acceleration · Feb 17, 2010

Aaaah, I stand corrected. I was under the impression that I wasn't doing very well with Falco due to the fact that I was using too many of the heavier attacks and I was resorting to the faster ones. I was doing the right thing after all. I'm reading your guide on Falco at the moment and I think I'll soon learn how to use him properly and successfully.

6Mizu · Feb 17, 2010

Is Blad even active anymore?

Typ_Ex · Feb 17, 2010

if not can i be a mod for the falco boards?

Denzi · Feb 17, 2010

Typ_Ex said:
if not can i be a mod for the falco boards?

You don't ask to be a mod, and I think he's a mod for a different board anyway. Teran's our mod.

6Mizu · Feb 17, 2010

6Mizu said:
Is Blad even active anymore?

Typ_Ex said:
if not can i be a mod for the falco boards?

Denzi said:
You don't ask to be a mod, and I think he's a mod for a different board anyway. Teran's our mod.

So Blad is still active?

Also you couldn't Teran is our MOD.

Denzi · Feb 17, 2010

No he isn't, but he was never a mod here anyway.

Teran · Feb 17, 2010

Yeah I'm the mod here, you can check a room's mod by reading the list of moderators at the bottom of a page.

No Typ_Ex, you cannot be a moderator.

Blad mods Europe, he isn't really that active in the competitive Brawl scene anymore (study and such).

Also, unless you've got something actually groundbreakingly, drastically new on this topic (that's legitimate), please stop posting in it.

I want to shy away from locking old threads that were of decent worth, but it seems like I might have to if this keeps up.

SHDL has the highest kill potential.

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