Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[cashregister9]

Yes, precisely. That's literally exactly what I'm asking for. Main series Pokemon Amiibo

Closest we got was the Pokemon Rumble NFC figures

 

[Wonder Smash]

Whatever gets me one step closer to Kunio.

As well as the Lee brothers for me.

 

[superprincess]

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This is actually pretty well done. Most people haphazardly throw the Arm abilities in his specials but this is actually trying to have synergy. I also like how he takes some inspiration from Link and Zelda's moves.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

This would be a neat upgrade for Deluxe Mii Costumes going forward. Deluxe only tho.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashBrosUltimate/comments/1au3y77

 

[fogbadge]

here's a question for you: is there anything in smash you wanted renamed? in ultimate several stages and music tracks were renamed to be more accurate or to prevent names doubling up too much. but not everything has an appropriate name. so anything you want fixed?

 

[Perkilator]

If you’ve ever wanted to talk about alts for the 50th time, here’s a dedicated thread for that.

 

[HyperSomari64]

here's a question for you: is there anything in smash you wanted renamed? in ultimate several stages and music tracks were renamed to be more accurate or to prevent names doubling up too much. but not everything has an appropriate name. so anything you want fixed?

Yoshi's Island (Melee) to Dinosaur Land [It's now labelled as part of the Mario series]
Mushroom Kingdom II to Subcon

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm not sure of the other words to make it work, but Temple being renamed to Palace in some way would make it more clear how much it's meant to be based around Zelda II, not any other game specifically.

Can't think of much else(not counting ones mentioned, though I don't mind one being a Yoshi stage either, but the name isn't the best as well), since a lot are labeled really well and logically.

 

[RileyXY1]

Mushroom Kingdom II should absolutely be renamed to Subcon, due to it being based on the American Super Mario Bros. 2, which doesn't even take place in the Mushroom Kingdom itself.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

As RileyXY1 said Mushroom Kingdom II should be renamed to its more appropriate title. Otherwise it’s really bothered me that Yoshi’s Island (Melee) is the only stage that shares a name with another. Wish they would’ve just renamed it Super Mario World or something.

 

[Dinoman96]

As RileyXY1 said Mushroom Kingdom II should be renamed to its more appropriate title. Otherwise it’s really bothered me that Yoshi’s Island (Melee) is the only stage that shares a name with another. Wish they would’ve just renamed it Super Mario World or something.

Mushroom Kingdom II should absolutely be renamed to Subcon, due to it being based on the American Super Mario Bros. 2, which doesn't even take place in the Mushroom Kingdom itself.

Do keep in mind that in the JP versions of these games, the Mushroom Kingdom stages are called "Ancient Kingdom", with Mushroomy Kingdom's name being something along the lines of "Ancient-ish Kingdom", a gag that obviously didn't translate very well into the English version.

Fun fact: Mushroom Kingdom U is actually called "Mario U World" over there.

 

[SPEN18]

Wish they would’ve just renamed it Super Mario World or something.

Maybe Dinosaur Land?

 

[NintenRob]

I'd like Rainbow Cruise to go back to being Rainbow Ride. Which is, you know, the name of the stage it's based on in Mario 64 and it's name in every Smash game prior to ultimate in Europe and Australia.

 

[CannonStreak]

An Nintendo Direct is happening, guys!

A #NintendoDirect: Partner Showcase is coming! Watch on-demand via YouTube on 2/21 at 6am PT for around 25 mins of info focused on #NintendoSwitch games coming in the first half of 2024 from our publishing and development partners.

Stay tuned here: https://t.co/ZIAs64iWbK pic.twitter.com/CTrAC02G4d

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 19, 2024

Partners Showcase!

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

They typically announce directs about 24 hours before, so I'm left curious if indeed this was supposed to come last week and the Xbox announcements/podcast did indeed cause them to push this ahead.

Still though Partner Directs have come a long way since the infamous underwhelming ones from July & August 2020 so fingers crossed we get some decent announcements. Pac Man World 2 Re-Pac would be a very nice surprise.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

Weird, weren't all the previous partner showcases called minis? I wonder if it's just a length thing or if there's going to be some major announcements here.

Either way, I'm fully expecting SMT here. And this time hopefully people won't be annoying about it...

 

[Sucumbio]

Wow so their lense is definitely more focused than ours...25 minutes for 6 months? That's great! Though that means the expectation is going to be Spring of 2025 which is fine also but I don't expect too many more Switch sales, it IS another year of NSO, Software, DLCs, sleepers or late comers etc.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Way too early to really know if a June Direct is happening or what it might include, but if its not's another Partner Showcase, I could see the next four months involve Nintendo potentially internally shifting releases around here and there to make the latter half of 2024 have some significance. Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon and the remastered version of Thousand Year Door feel like summer releases so fall and early winter might have the be the time for a blitz of other first party ports and modest spin-offs. A Pokémon remake will definitely help for holiday 2024, but a Switch 2 being delayed to 2025 would seemingly necessitate at least some other notable titles late in the year even they're necessarily new AAA stuff.

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

An Nintendo Direct is happening, guys!

A #NintendoDirect: Partner Showcase is coming! Watch on-demand via YouTube on 2/21 at 6am PT for around 25 mins of info focused on #NintendoSwitch games coming in the first half of 2024 from our publishing and development partners.

Stay tuned here: https://t.co/ZIAs64iWbK pic.twitter.com/CTrAC02G4d

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 19, 2024

Partners Showcase!

There will be no Silksong news at the Partner Showcase

Smash 6? Now that's a different story

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Yeeeeah, I’m pretty convinced we’re getting an announcement of the Switch successor sometime soon. I was anticipating March but April-June is a really safe bet. Whether it comes out Holiday or Q1 2025 is another story but either way the timeline works.

 

[RileyXY1]

Way too early to really know if a June Direct is happening or what it might include, but if its not's another Partner Showcase, I could see the next four months involve Nintendo potentially internally shifting releases around here and there to make the latter half of 2024 have some significance. Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon and the remastered version of Thousand Year Door feel like summer releases so fall and early winter might have the be the time for a blitz of other first party ports and modest spin-offs. A Pokémon remake will definitely help for holiday 2024, but a Switch 2 being delayed to 2025 would seemingly necessitate at least some other notable titles late in the year even they're necessarily new AAA stuff.

I don't think that the next Pokémon game will be a remake.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I don't think that the next Pokémon game will be a remake.

Truth be told I haven't been following the production schedule/speculation about whether the next Pokémon title is a remake, something Gen 9 related or another Legends release. I just figured knowing Game Freak and TPC, a big one coming this holiday is likely.

 

[Idon]

If you’ve ever wanted to talk about alts for the 50th time, here’s a dedicated thread for that.

Completely minor change:

Rename "Coliseum" to "Arena". That's not what they're called and the fact that they chose a synonym over a pretty regular mechanic (or used to be pretty regular) is kinda weird.

 

[Ivander]

Completely minor change:

Rename "Coliseum" to "Arena". That's not what they're called and the fact that they chose a synonym over a pretty regular mechanic (or used to be pretty regular) is kinda weird.

Here we have "Arena Ferox!" Then over here we have "Arena!".....Hmm?...What's the difference between them?....Well, one is an Arena in Regna Ferox from Fire Emblem Awakening. The other is an Arena.....somewhere else. Where? We don't know. Just that it's certainly not in Ferox.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I don't think that the next Pokémon game will be a remake.

Honestly they've planted so many nods to Unova that the first instinct any long time Pokemon fan would have is that the next game is a revisit to the region.

It happened with most of the previous remakes to my recollection, then again Game freak could be aware of that and want to do something different, pulling the rug from under us.

 

[superprincess]

Completely minor change:

Rename "Coliseum" to "Arena". That's not what they're called and the fact that they chose a synonym over a pretty regular mechanic (or used to be pretty regular) is kinda weird.

Arena Ferox is already a thing and is basically the same stage but with edges instead of walk offs.

As for other renaming suggestions, I'd revert Rainbow Cruise to Rainbow Ride as someone else already mentioned, because that's the name in English translations. I'll also parrot the Yoshi's Island (Melee) suggestion; it should be renamed to Dinosaur Land and rebranded as a Mario stage. There's a bit of an argument to be made about whether SMW2:YI is a Mario or Yoshi game, but SMW the original? Definitely a Mario game, I have no idea why Smash considers its stage as hailing from the Yoshi series.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I have no idea why Smash considers its stage as hailing from the Yoshi series.

"It's YOSHI's Island, therefore a Yoshi stage"

Also Smash: "This remix made for that stage is a Super MARIO World Medley, therefore it can only play on stages branded as Mario ones. Which the stage it was meant for is not."

 

[chocolatejr9]

An Nintendo Direct is happening, guys!

A #NintendoDirect: Partner Showcase is coming! Watch on-demand via YouTube on 2/21 at 6am PT for around 25 mins of info focused on #NintendoSwitch games coming in the first half of 2024 from our publishing and development partners.

Stay tuned here: https://t.co/ZIAs64iWbK pic.twitter.com/CTrAC02G4d

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) February 19, 2024

Partners Showcase!

So based on leaks, we might be able to expect the following:

• Something from Game Freak
• Something published by Nintendo (the general consensus seems to be Endless Ocean)
• That new Contra game

At least, that's what Pyoro was saying...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

At the time, they wanted more Yoshi stages, so gave that one an odd franchise change. The stages were organized that way on the Select Screen. It's really a Melee thing.

The franchises in said image have it so they're grouped together in many cases with having two stages of each franchise, from top to bottom. As Super Mario already had two stages in Starter, Yoshi got two as well. Then you have the odd Mushroom Kingdom stages later on, being the only franchise to get more than two new stages respectively. Past stages and the 1 Player ones are separated too.

It probably won't happen, though. We only saw Franchise changes when it came to Character-related stuff. Giga Bowser as a Final Smash became a Super Mario character(justified, as this time it's a Super Mario character you're playing as becoming one. Not an NPC transforming). As a Boss even in Ultimate, he keeps the Smash Symbol. This is also because Sakurai treats them as separate characters. Another example is Wario changing to the WarioWare symbol once becoming playable, as his Trophy was from Super Mario.

Beyond that, Yoshi was always treated weirdly. Even characters originating from it like Kamek can fall under the Super Mario label as a Trophy/Spirit/Sticker and is rather inconsistent. Though in Kamek's case, his stage cameo was at least from a Super Mario-specific game. This doesn't apply in every single case, but it makes sense in some. Some of the franchise labeling can get odd either way. It would've been better if the particular new Yoshi stage was from the Super Mario World 2, though, agreed.

At least the Mushroom Kingdom thing is more of a case of weird labeling than anything else. It's one of many dub name changes that is misleading.

 

[dream1ng]

Can get Endless Ocean, Famicom Detective Club and Trace Memory remakes, but still no Golden Sun

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Can get Endless Ocean, Famicom Detective Club and Trace Memory remakes, but still no Golden Sun

They remade Endless ocean?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Spoiler: Partner Showcase potential spoiler

Endless Ocean has been speculated as a possible reveal for the Partner Showcase,

Seems likely but we won't know until the video drops.

 

[BuckleyTim]

Can get Endless Ocean, Famicom Detective Club and Trace Memory remakes, but still no Golden Sun

The power of not being made by a western company that has its hands full with mario sports games till the end of time, i suppose.

 

[chocolatejr9]

The power of not being made by a western company that has its hands full with mario sports games till the end of time, i suppose.

I still think we should let Monolith Soft try their hand at Golden Sun...

 

[HyperSomari64]

The dolphin is possibly an Ecco the Dolphin remake.

 

[SPEN18]

the dolphin makes me think of Wave Race before any other game, but given this is a partner showcase it's almost certainly not that. would be a dream, tho

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Can get Endless Ocean, Famicom Detective Club and Trace Memory remakes, but still no Golden Sun

….hotel dusk? Nintendo?
crickets

 

[Opossum]

Arena Ferox is already a thing and is basically the same stage but with edges instead of walk offs.

We have two different Pokémon Leagues based on different regions. We have Pokémon Stadium and Pokémon Stadium 2. We have Green Hill Zone and Windy Hill Zone. Most damningly of all, we have Mushroom Kingdom, Mushroom Kingdom II, Mushroomy Kingdom, and Mushroom Kingdom U all in the same game.

Renaming the Arena to Coliseum just to avoid having Arena and Arena Ferox genuinely makes no sense.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I just think the spelling of "Coliseum" is strange.

Yes, "coliseum," is a perfectly accepted spelling of the word.

But I don't like it. It's stupid.

 

[SPEN18]

I think it's called "Coliseum" simply because it's a more stylish name than "Arena." And since the stage is sourced from a generic rather than specific location, having the most accurate name didn't matter as much.
Given that when the two stages were introduced we had one 3DS-exclusive and one Wii-U-exclusive, I don't think a repeated name would've been an issue. But they got named separately to begin with and then there was apparently not a motivation to change it in Ult.
I don't mind the Coliseum stage but I would like more FE stages referencing specific locales rather than generic fantasy settings.