ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[#HBC | Mac]

(oh snap, just pressing quote automatically adds the quote to your current draft... sex)

Simply put, I think you are trying to sling mud onto WATT for a weak reason. You don't really have much reason to discredit him from joining your push, and it seems you are trying to force one. To me, him joining you on J would be better since nothing was happening with his Gheb vote. You also say him bringing up Mac/Gheb makes no sense when it does, and especially when he gives the reasoning and you don't even acknowledge it. It would be understandable if he had reasons to hold him back yet he still went on with voting J, but there was none strong enough. (Since his vote was RVS) You also have stated that it was weird that he moved on to J while having stated that Gheb OMGUSED him. Do you think an OMGUS is good enough to stay on a vote when a seperate wagon is forming up for pressure?

Vote: No Lynch

this doesn't make any sense

how does voting J do more than having voted Gheb? because J had someone else voting him? they were both votes without reasoning behind them, it'd be silly as **** for J to feel pressured do to WOTT's additional vote.

WOTT's reasoning in #42! certainly doesn't explain ****... so i'm confused why you're suspecting NL with the premise that he didn't acknowledge WOTT's pointless reasoning. also i though WOTT's vote was odd af too so I'm not following how NL seems like he's discrediting WOTT / how NL seems scummy from that

 

[#HBC | Mac]

*ahem* WATT*****

 

[#HBC | Mac]

lol No Lynch wagon is pretty awful

 

[No Lynch]

tahts fair. i interpreted the gun remark as indicating it was a very minor opinion

im gonna be honest, i dont have strong reads anywhere right now, its like nobody wants to commit to a push and vote (except gorf, luv u) and this makes it very hard for me to tell where anybodys coming from, words are cheap but votes never lie so i wish ppl would be less content to just go "hm well i dunno who the scum are" *disappears*. part of it is probably shock from being accustomed to faster-paced games where having 4 nonposters 48 hours into a 13p d1 is unheard of unless ur playing w/ really really bad people

I feel you, I think a lot if it is that people want to be certain. I know that's part of the reason why I don't usually vote often, because I don't like feeling it's going to waste somewhere and that I'm stating commitment to something that I am more or less not very committed to. If I placed a vote it would be on Red Ryu right now, but the problem is that I doubt it would really go anywhere.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@Ranmaru: re: #70 - Realtalk im up for a gheb policy lynch if hes still doing this gimmick a few more rl days in2 teh game, that ****s straight up obfuscating & anti-town

cuz my eyes keep glazing over when reading gheb's posts, i'm down with this... and cuz dude isn't doing ****

Vote: Macman
@ #HBC | Mac you were in here yesterday but didnt answer my very simple question from teh start of the day. why?

was skimming the thread on my phone and didn't feel like typing up a response. also idk my meta is irrelevant


lol soup calm down

this seems shaky, y is the push something townhorf would do? ur logic is all, "i agree with this guy" dressed up in fancy wording, & thats not a reason to find gorf town until nl flips scum

+1

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ashemu is one of the only ones saying anything sensible thus far

vote: watt gross player slot right there

also equally as down to *** gheb outta here

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ #HBC | Gorf : yea i just don tsee how hes actually shutting down the push by posting that. he doesnt control my vote

One man does not make a wagon.

Outburst is Null btw ashemu. Soup tends to blow up regardless of alignment as of late

Orbo's diplomatic attitude is SO funny for some reason.

Unvote Vote: No Lynch (Hydra)

I haven't been relieved with your response to me. To me it sounds like you trying to avoid the real issue, and you have done that as scum before. As town I don't know. I have been waiting to see what more you would have done but there hasn't been much ground covered by you. Opinion on Ashemu and his jump on you? Opinion on Joey?



Scum right here as well. FoS: Ashemu
You have been against all the cases on NL but when Moira comes in you are fine with hopping on. Your reasoning for joining is weak. You can die after No Lynch.

Wait why are people townreading this slot? Cuz he's ****in stupid?

Because he's ran, that's all that can be really said about it. Do you think his posts from #87-#92 could really come from someone is scum? They're so out there I don't even see why a scum would bother.

I really hope that this isn't why people are townreading Ran.

Let me summarize the problem with townreading Ran right off the bat: emulation. Nuf ****ing said. Now please everyone stop mindlessly townreading Ranmaru and please actually look at his posts. Thank you.

Ash u r the only 1 who underst ands me tyvm

lol No Lynch wagon is pretty awful

***** fight me

People gotta stop being so careful and ****in SCUM HUNT like god damn you're making this frustrating.

 

[Ashemu]

ashemu is one of the only ones saying anything sensible thus far

this makes me go ??? since you just called out the wagon im on as being bad. whats your opinion of my vote there?

gorf, thoughts on nls reactions to moira?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

agreed with Ran not getting off with a town read, definitely another scummy slot. esp with his: *let's push NL for silly af reasons, and then push obvtown ashemu for joining the NL wagon for actually sensible reasons*

would be down to join a ran wagon

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

i think he's annoying as **** and still literally doing nothing but raging, your post about either needing a break or scum bla bla bla sums up my thoughts. i kinda just read em for laughter after i realized no content would come out of them. his play is entirely self involved and he refuses to step out n try and find scum. i'm not buying the town read on ran for reasons stated but at the same time the cringe worthy inactivity doesn't really help either, so i can't reeeeeeally blame him for not having more to say. i can only kinda blame em.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

this makes me go ??? since you just called out the wagon im on as being bad. whats your opinion of my vote there?

legit, i was actually about to make a post asking you what the right reasons for voting NL were since you didn't explain in the post you voted him. I already liked your slot by that point

but then I read

no im not going to spend time talking about moira after coming to the conlcusion nl is scum, again the issue with nl is situational. nl never looked like he was attempting to "get as much as [he] can out of them" until called out

ftr him being upset was never the crux of my vote, i suspected him for the passive approach to the game which i mentioned next post. i specifically called him out for being mad first because i wanted to see how hed respond to that. townies that "defend first" are rare (note: you can do both in teh same post) and even if you want to argue that nl had been missing the "and then scumhunt" part entirely

this post in particualr is baffling because nl already jumps 2 the conclusion that moira has good intentions, then when pressed by me later he has no opinion on the slot

which is fair

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

agreed with Ran not getting off with a town read, definitely another scummy slot. esp with his: *let's push NL for silly af reasons, and then push obvtown ashemu for joining the NL wagon for actually sensible reasons*

would be down to join a ran wagon

unvote

vote ran

 

[#HBC | Mac]

vote: ran

 

[Ashemu]

nl should explain why ran is "obvtown ran" if others are gonna dissent from it because as is im just confused. ignoring meta tho i agree with macman's assessment 100%

Vote: Ran

i like mac's posts in general actually ^_^. im down with watt wagon too just becuase i think needing your hydra buddy to exit armchair mode shows a lack of pro-town intent

honestly im cooling on nl after his recent posts, theyre more like hes down on himsel fand the game than explicitly scum

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

meta arguments for something like this are ******** and that's the ****in point

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And as the years passed by, I come to see we still have not learned a thing
I look at you and see you argue and bicker over each others personal flaws
Three years of repeating the same mistakes and yet ignorance is still king!
What we should have left behind by now is still met with generous applause!

Ashemu - the new friend who is playing among us now
Is left with righteous confusion, as if among but dwarfs he is the wiser elf
This world must be upside down for him for bad things became good somehow
And who could help but wonder: isn't the soupy kaspar simply angry at himself?

Enough of this! We are not here to call judgement upon the way we are!
So let me declare for everybody to hear that I approve of #HBC | Mac
And that I will assure my support on his quest to blow out the Ranmaru's star
As soon as I know what the census of this game's master has to say

Request Votecount

 

[#HBC | Mac]

translation:
everyone is still bad
agree that scummy playstyles should still be considered scummy
i'm gonna bandwagon on the ran vote

so many lines of crappy rhymes yet won't say anything of substance or try to change any minds

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Changing people's minds on what? I'm OK with the Ran wagon so there's not a lot of changing minds that needs to be done right now *shrug*

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i was just tryna keep that internal rhyme scheme goin...

my issue with you if that you've been around and have been posting nothing of substance whatsoever, unless when mentioned/prodded. idk if thats what you changed your meta to but that's not what im expecting and it seems gross

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Just got back from 1sg pt. Breakfast then schoolhouse so will crack down on **** this afternoon

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Since you've figured out what I was saying in my 'poems' it should be pretty clear to you that I'm not a big fan of the way people have been playing so far. I've expressed my approval of yours and Ashemu's play and that the rest has been essentially bickering over personal "flaws". What other content were you expecting from me that other people have given you? Because as far as I can see the majority of players either hasn't posted anything constructive yet [WATT, Joey, Ryu, Rake, Rockin, frozen, Moira] or has kept their judgment on other people on strictly personal or playstyle based reasons [everybody else except you and me, though Ashemu can hardly be held guilty for it]. I think my clear pro-town leans on you and Ashemu as well as my support on the Ran wagon [as soon as I get that votecount] are definitely more helpful than most of what we've seen so far and I don't really know what more substance you could be asking from me that other players shouldn't start to produce themselves first.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Is there multiquote functionality



why did you make this point?

nvm this was a dumb question

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Instead explain what you meant by this:

Gheb is gheb. Omgus not worth voting him over @NL

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I think you're making a hindsight observation based on the fact I'm openly telling ryu to stop what he's doing instead of voting him, but history shows this what Ryu does and it inevitably doesn't help anyone. Even if he is scum, we wouldn't be getting much out of lynching him let alone allowing to get away with this, but you seem to have a good head on your shoulders and I appreciate your thought process at the very least.

Besides a scum flip you mean, right ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

No johns.



Can you clarify your stance that agrees with Gheb's views, in your own words? I just want to compare it.



What exactly was he giving up on, in your opinion? How was it weird?

After answering you, what is your opinion of WATT?

Town

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Simply put, I think you are trying to sling mud onto WATT for a weak reason. You don't really have much reason to discredit him from joining your push, and it seems you are trying to force one. To me, him joining you on J would be better since nothing was happening with his Gheb vote. You also say him bringing up Mac/Gheb makes no sense when it does, and especially when he gives the reasoning and you don't even acknowledge it. It would be understandable if he had reasons to hold him back yet he still went on with voting J, but there was none strong enough. (Since his vote was RVS) You also have stated that it was weird that he moved on to J while having stated that Gheb OMGUSED him. Do you think an OMGUS is good enough to stay on a vote when a seperate wagon is forming up for pressure?

Vote: No Lynch

this is a good vote.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

You yourself have said that Ryu is on your policy list if he continues playing the way he does. Me and you both know in hindsight what Ruy is doing right now would be considered scummy if it were anyone else but Ryu. I don't want to have to deal with it and I don't think you should either, but based on how he's reacted to me he seems stubborn and hasn't changed much, if at all. What do you think about his stubborness? Is it townie? Scummy?

Don't white wash your own opinion by saying "Me and you both know in hindsight what Ruy is doing right now would be considered scummy if it were anyone else but Ryu ", that's a grossly noncommittal stance, its just as bad as people saying "well, what marshy is doing is pretty anti town and scummy, but it's marshy so it's null", this is too easy an out for you to avoid a solid standing with a Ryu read and I don't Gusta that one bit.

As well, your little post on WATT was pretty noncommittal, it reads really weird that despite you calling it odd, weird or what have you and saying you didn't make much note of it beyond that, I don't find that quite accurate as you had a nice splice of opinion on it when by your own words, a "It was weird and that was something I noticed, possibly for later on" would have sufficed.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

tbh: the no lynch case seems rly dumb too me even 4 d1, the gist of it is "he's putting on A Act" which is stupid bc town will affect their posts too for the sake of rhetoric. attacking ruy for bad play doest'n mean anything here because there was no vote & they even said hed flip town, thats not how you attack people in mafia games, this literally boils down to ryu arguing that chastising him for doing dumb things is scummy without a permit

if anythings bad about them it's the fact that they HAVENT made a real puush yet, im not even townreading them and this is still ****en dumb, pressure joey with me instead imo

this x 1000
We can be friends

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Soup vs ryu is interesting. Not sure if this is just people getting on ryu over nothing and soup jamming it out proportion like hes done to me and rake before or if this might actually lead somewhere. Will discuss with other head

Talk to me about the Ryu discussion shut down.

I really dislike it happened because it seems like a easy cop out that smells of three day old tacos.

"I want to lynch Ryu because Ryu things " and not "I want to lynch Ryu because the Ryu things he's doing seem fake, hollow or background" is a difference worth noting.

Also who's scum, and finally; Are you town ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

yea but if he isnt town then it lets him get away with more

You said you felt like it let him limit himself, but what if he spells it out to you in nice print with solid backup ? Does that make the previous action any less scummy ? Or is he scum covering his butt against your accusation ? You have to realize someone's penchant for doing something shouldn't be a selling point for their death or survival, and has to be game specific, I can personally attest to this as it's how me and Orbo ran circles around town in FE&A.

My more specific question to you is how do you find No Lynch's disingenuous posting ? Is his non committal a by product of the slow pace of the game or is he hiding behind his words so to speak ?

 

[No Lynch]

I don't know if I should continue to fight on Ranmeta or consider him being scum.

*sigh*

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Unvote Vote: No Lynch (Hydra)

I haven't been relieved with your response to me. To me it sounds like you trying to avoid the real issue, and you have done that as scum before. As town I don't know. I have been waiting to see what more you would have done but there hasn't been much ground covered by you. Opinion on Ashemu and his jump on you? Opinion on Joey?



Scum right here as well. FoS: Ashemu
You have been against all the cases on NL but when Moira comes in you are fine with hopping on. Your reasoning for joining is weak. You can die after No Lynch.

This is inaccurate and even if it wasn't, how is him changing his mind scummy over the realization that NL may actually be worth pushing, if your going to say that Ashemu is hiding behind J, that's just misguided, he already had plenty of opportunity to shove his thick opinion down NL's supple throat when everyone else was taking turns pounding it. The idea that he'd wait for Moria's firm guiding hand, or shapely rear to be in front of him implies a scum partner relationship from mypov, and one that, if it existed; Wouldn't allow such a blatant show of their hand.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

. I don't agree Ryu is likely town. Why do you think that? He has done more that is worth pushing in my opinion. If you want a meta example, look at dining philosopher's. He's setting himself up on an image instead of actually doing something, and as said before, I was hoping I could get him to jump had I called him out on it. He didn't. I'd like you to tell me what you see behind his typical questioning that makes you think this.



It helps, if it didn't, I wouldn't be here. I don't know how to take Moira but if I had a gun to my head I would say that the fact I needed to shake them to simply read a response I made bothers me, because it comes off as pure lazy or just intentionally cookie-cutting the thread.

This could be true, but why do you feel its the case over Ryu getting his feet wet before diving in ?

Why did you expect him to jump, and why not push it harder ? From mypov it would have benefited you more from your own stated opinion to be more aggressive.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

@No Lynch:

Yeah but you yelling about it when Moira agrees with me doesn't help. Seems like you just want everyone to like what you say and you won't stop until Moira says "Ok I see what you are saying, Ran is wrong".

I want to elaborate. Moira states he agrees with what I say, and doesn't really bring much things that are new to the table, yet Ashemu jumps on you because there is a growing momemtum and he just throws away whatever he had that kept him away from you. I would think if he thought my argument was silly, that he would argue that with Moira, but doesn't. He only cares to jump on you with a weak reason that allows him to bandwagon you. This is why I want him dead and think you should have a problem with that.

Joey's "Hey guys who cares about what Ruy does" thing felt like a useless thing to post without actually posting content. Joey isn't really putting much solid content out there and is a null.

You're reading too far into it, but I'm keeping this in mind.

 

[No Lynch]

It really frustrates me when Gorf tells me when I haven't been trying to find scum but then again I would have someone butt in and say 'why is ur play so self-focused so scummy' and I would have to write a bunch of unneeded walls so **** it.

• Disagree with the Ran direction and doesn't interest me, I'm being stubborn about this until at least I hear from what Zen thinks.
• I think there's more weight in Ryu/J, for reasons I've kinda elaborated on before. I don't understand the town-reads on Ryu at all, and I still have been getting my questions blown off about this. It's beyond frustrating. J is more of a *gasp* feeling more than anything and I don't have as much compared to Ryu.
• Joey is on the backburner at the moment as far other possible scum-reads go but more or less I'm more null than anything.
• I town-read Ashemu, Gorf, and Ran so far. Macman's play doesn't set off any alarms from either way and I'll be watching how this Ran thing progresses if anything. @ #HBC | Mac thoughts on Moira? Gorf is honestly one of the few people I had no problem picking up on their intentions because he's just been laying out everything he thinks while everyone else seems to be playing this game with a metaphorical stance of holding their cards close to their chest and not letting anyone see them. The same feeling is reciprocated for Ashemu and Ran to an extent.

Everyone else I haven't mentioned doesn't interest me at the moment.

 

[No Lynch]

watt wagon too just becuase i think needing your hydra buddy to exit armchair mode shows a lack of pro-town intent

I didn't like his sidelining and just parroting what everyone else was essentially saying to me when I was having it out with Moira at the very least but there is always a but for me because I feel like pursuing people for something that is non-conclusive such as that isn't really worth it. Yes, he was sidelining me, but town does it too. I'd rather like to judge on what he will possibly say (if anything) and if he continues to play as a non-factor.

 

[No Lynch]

I'll be dipping out of the thread until I hear from Zen again or Moira or whoever else comes back, just ping me.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

If I had to pick a name right now?
Probably one of gheb/joey out of who has posted. Dislike the fact rake hasnt posted due to his natural town style but hes probs busy irl.

I didnt even know this game had started, and, I was in fact,busy.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

agreed with Ran not getting off with a town read, definitely another scummy slot. esp with his: *let's push NL for silly af reasons, and then push obvtown ashemu for joining the NL wagon for actually sensible reasons*

would be down to join a ran wagon

Idk about this at all.
Ran be posting too m uch Ran bs to be scummy from mypov. Some of it be so ridiculous no scum would reasonably bother. (See:

*let's push NL for silly af reasons, and then push obvtown ashemu for joining the NL wagon for actually sensible reasons

)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll be back when I finish a paprt and test today, two finalized Bs woohoo!

Though I might fail a class :<