ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Mfw when NL says "look at another game , he's different from then "

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, of course I'm different then that game, I've barely got my feet wet in this ****. Don't come swinging at me with weak bull like "His questions seem different or more useful " please, I'll be as useful as I'm able to and nothing more. I dont know what sort of in depth analysis NL was expecting for me to shoot from my mouth but that logic is just bad and he should feel bad for using it and Moria for even allowing him to believe crappy reasoning like that can pass for anything more than toilet paper

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Rake is aggressive and proactive as hell.

I also had time to do that. The hell were you expecting mang.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

*time to do that when ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

A thing this girl would like to see is more words from No Lynch on Rake scumbagging it up. I do not see scumRake at this time but Rake being fastidious. I mean, if Officer is scum I doubt that there is a connection between these two slots as scum together based on interactions and Officer blatantly starting a wagon to what looks like to get on Rake's good side.

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Would scum Orbo even bother though. Why pick ryu to make me have warm and fuzzy feelings about.

I'll admit Orbo's background play doesn't leave me with the best feelings either but there are easier things to push (ashemu or Ran comes to mind).

 

[#HBC | Mac]

rake i'm assuming you find ashemu and ran scummy due to your last post?

how do you feel that your top 2 scum reads are / were suspecting each other of being scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The three fast votes on page 7 are warranted for a push, but the speed and if Ran is scum though....

@ ranmaru : you voted No lynch but then the 180 vote to Ash? Explain this, is it SvS or TvS I don't follow this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

NoLynch, updated reads?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ran I think you smell bad.

Ok, but this is not a stance. Make one.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

aiight i'm going with NL's meta read and hopping off ranmaru... my first issue with him was related to a slight misread of one of WATT's posts and my other issues with him aren't worth it considering that I think NL is more townie than not and he still has a strong town read on ran for meta reasons, ones which i can kinda understand

gonna go back to focusing on watt / gheb

vote: gheb

yet again you're only saying **** when ppl call you out

agree with gorf that it feels like moira didn't say anything at all during the flurry of posts which rubs me the wrong way a lil bit, but not enough to really sway my opinion of the slot to scum

Are they scum in your recent reads?

Gheb and WAtT I mean.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I would give our biggest scum-lean to Officer. Second in line in questionable behavior would be Ashemu. I have no idea who would be our third. I am waiting on WATT to post some original thoughts to see if it seals the deal for me at the moment.

This is...odd.

My his us how I feel about a lot of your reads this game.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

rake i'm assuming you find ashemu and ran scummy due to your last post?

how do you feel that your top 2 scum reads are / were suspecting each other of being scum?

[quote = "Rake."] because from my pov although Ran was mistakenly reading Ashemu's intent and all, Ran's jump wasn't illogical or even that terrible, Ashemu's voiced indecision could very well be scum flopping around from some perspectives and Ran is the type of player who pushes on how he perceives things. I think saying he jumped down AShemu's throat opportunistically (or however this was worded when I read it), is a pretty inaccurate and gross glossing over of how Ran handled it and almost feels like Ran's play is being cookie cut into having scum intent when from my pov I don't see any [/quote ]

although at this point should be added to the end of that.

Also no, i mostly suspect WATT and Ryu with shades of Gheb based on gut and FF just because inactive.

However if i did have ran / ash in my top area, i think ran being a scummer would make ash the townier because Ran's background scum play and general scum things he does, bussing that way would ddraw too much attention to him especially when ash's play was to my recollection creating a mixed bag. I dont feel like ran scum would then go "imma do something bold as scum and try to jump on my partner" thats too bold for scum ran at that point for me.

I also think ashemu's general jumpiness and willingness to be in a bunch of places and putting his / her opinion out their is a slight town tell

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What happened there was me seeing nl questioning about voting J and I wondered why him in specific. With that in mind I went and picked two names that would fit into the grouping. Tldr I wanted to qiestion nl and had to fit the question in some way to evoke on j specifically

Unvote vote ryu

Did Dietz or orbo make this vote?

 

[No Lynch]

@Gheb_01 I'm going to assume the answer is no? I'm sure you know what I'm getting at.

@ Shun Goku Satsu Rake I change my mind, you're chill for now.

I'm about to make an incredible 180° hill flip. Assuming I convince soup.

 

[ranmaru]

The three fast votes on page 7 are warranted for a push, but the speed and if Ran is scum though....

@ ranmaru : you voted No lynch but then the 180 vote to Ash? Explain this, is it SvS or TvS I don't follow this.

I thought it was SvS due to the jump after moira coming in, but it wasn't a 180. I was already voting NL in spirit, and re-voted him but was notified to him being L-2, so I put my vote elsewhere where I would think it'd be useful.

Why are you asking No Lynch for an updated reads list? I think you had a problem with him, how is it progressing?

What is your current read of me and Joey?

This is...odd.

My his us how I feel about a lot of your reads this game.

How is it odd? Can you clarify this? Does this bring them to a scum lean to you?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Is there a reason why we're not voting Ranmaru anymore?

Like, he hasn't done anything that makes me feel better about his ****.

He's been lurking below I can say that much.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I thought it was SvS due to the jump after moira coming in, but it wasn't a 180. I was already voting NL in spirit, and re-voted him but was notified to him being L-2, so I put my vote elsewhere where I would think it'd be useful.

Why are you asking No Lynch for an updated reads list? I think you had a problem with him, how is it progressing?

What is your current read of me and Joey?



How is it odd? Can you clarify this? Does this bring them to a scum lean to you?

One at a time with questions or I stonewall and refuse to answer first and only warning.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Midworded, one person at a time I can't answer all that from a phone.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

One at a time with questions or I stonewall and refuse to answer first and only warning.

wtf is this

 

[ranmaru]

One at a time with questions or I stonewall and refuse to answer first and only warning.

It's three questions. You are being anti-town for not answering. Save the thread the clutter please.

Most important: What is your current read on NL and why, since you have had a problem with him early in thread?

 

[ranmaru]

@ #HBC | Mac (lol theres a macman2), since you are here:

vote: watt gross player slot right there

also equally as down to *** gheb outta here

As you say that we should prolly **** people outta regardless of meta, is gheb really scummy? Also what's suspicious of WATT? Being gross isn't convincing enough to me.

I also want to know why you instigate something (an argument) but drop it. It doesn't help me in reading you if you just drop it, especially when I still have unanswered questions. For example, why you were talking about WATT's #42 when I gave context? This is me asking about your intent if you didn't know.

gheb and ashemu, thoughts on rake?

Why do you push a problem with rake, and then proceed to ask gheb and ash their thoughts on him without you actually following up with the argument? You leave the argument hanging on a cliff.

 

[ranmaru]

@ #HBC | Red Ryu : Hello? Can you answer my one question? I simplified it for you.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i misread watt's #42 (well moreso the context around it) so what you were saying wasn't as silly as it seemed. i still had an issue with you scumreading ashemu for his NL vote because ashemu's reasons actually made sense and yours didn't at all. but I don't think this is too suspicious simply since I could see why you'd have an issue wtih what to you may seem like an opportunistic jump on the biggest wagon. also i'm sheeping NL on your townran meta.

yes i think gheb is scum still aside of meta, i've given my reasons billions of times so i suggest you go back and read my posts. reserving judgement currently on WATT but i still have suspicions of him. for future reference: when i say someone is gross or they deserve to die that means i think theyre scummy.

following up on what argument with rake? idk what you're asking here... but one thing i'll say, there's no reason for arguments to complete if i don't feel like i'm gonna get much out of it (tho i still dk what you're referring to). and there's only so much you can perceive about someone when you're talking directly to them and their already on guard.

 

[ranmaru]

#429

This was Rake's response to you asking about him liking my vote. You said you found a contradiction, yet never posted a conclusion to Rake's response to you, and instead asked Gheb/Ash their opinions on him. Before they answer I'd like for you to do that.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I just spent the last 4 hours helping a friend with some emotional problems and just generally trying to be a good person. And having fun with a lady friend. This game probably will be gotten to tomorrow.
~Orbo

 

[#HBC | Mac]

#429

This was Rake's response to you asking about him liking my vote. You said you found a contradiction, yet never posted a conclusion to Rake's response to you, and instead asked Gheb/Ash their opinions on him. Before they answer I'd like for you to do that.

heh i was actually waiting to see if rake would bring up the fact that i never answered him. same with a second question he asked me... i've made posts since he asked me these two questions yet for some reasons he hasn't cared that I haven't answered his qs. to me this gives me the impression that he doesn't actually care about the answers and that they might be for show

anyways lemme go and find out what exactly the question was and i'll answer to for you ranman

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

VOTECOUNT:
Moira [0] -
Wots All This Then? [2] - Gheb_01, Moira
Gheb_01 [2] - , Macman, Rake.
-Masquerain- [0] -
Ashemu [0] -
Red Ryu [1] - , Wots All This Then?
Gorf [0] -
No Lynch [3] - frozenflame751, Red Ruy, Ran
Macman [0] -
Rake. [0] -
Rockin [0] -
Ranmaru [3] - Gorf, Ashemu, -Masquerain-
frozenflame751 [0] -

Not voting: , No Lynch, Rockin,

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Specifically I want you to lay out why his Ashemu vote was so bad (i believe someone mentioned they felt this vote was dicey for some reason or another ?, if it wasn't you feel free to ignore this bit) because from my pov although Ran was mistakenly reading Ashemu's intent and all, Ran's jump wasn't illogical or even that terrible, Ashemu's voiced indecision could very well be scum flopping around from some perspectives and Ran is the type of player who pushes on how he perceives things. I think saying he jumped down AShemu's throat opportunistically (or however this was worded when I read it), is a pretty inaccurate and gross glossing over of how Ran handled it and almost feels like Ran's play is being cookie cut into having scum intent when from my pov I don't see any.

i'm assuming this is what you're asking about

I already gave you the answer in my last post

plus i had unvoted you by the time rake made this post and already stopped pushing you, this seems to be a better question for gorf / ashemu

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i misread watt's #42 (well moreso the context around it) so what you were saying wasn't as silly as it seemed. i still had an issue with you scumreading ashemu for his NL vote because ashemu's reasons actually made sense and yours didn't at all. but I don't think this is too suspicious simply since I could see why you'd have an issue wtih what to you may seem like an opportunistic jump on the biggest wagon. also i'm sheeping NL on your townran meta.

^ ^ ^

 

[#HBC | Mac]

[quote = "Rake."]
Also no, i mostly suspect WATT and Ryu with shades of Gheb based on gut and FF just because inactive.

why aren't you voting watt or ryu

 

[ranmaru]

Spoiler: Ryu/Joey Scum Context

Vote: No Lynch (hydra)

scummy.

I don't like how he addressed me rereading his first comment to me. And his continuing posting back at me is making me feel worse about the slot.

This is suspicious. I asked Ryu his opinion but I didn't expect him to outright vote him without Ryu really doing much to lead up to it.

Ran thoughts on Ash right now with his stance on me?

Ryu asked me about Ashemu and her jump, while he told NL this:

Leaning townie, though that was until the case and cheerleader comments. I don't know what either of those are since if I pushed a case I don't know what that would be.

So he states he had her as townie first until the cheerleader comments. He never follows up with this after coming back. He only remembers to ask about NL's reads.

Ryu, what did your read on Ash become when you noticed the cheerleader comments? (Since you said that was only UNTIL that point)

Ash's play makes sense, Ash doesn't know how I handle pregame.
.

This is the last assesment of Ash's play. It's vague and isn't a solid opinion.

You think he should have made a vote on you or No lynch in that case?

Ash makes a comment that he sees no reason for Ryu to ask this. I see the reason was for him to interact with Ash relating to Joey, but without stepping on his toes or Joey's. Ash is accusing of Joey not doing anything and Ryu indirectly defends Joey by asking if he should have made a vote, when the problem was Joey not doing anything at all. I think Ryu was intentionally avoiding the case.

Guys what the hell? This is what Ryu does in every game. What is different here than any other town Ryu game?

This is very odd coming from Joey. He should understand that the person bringing it up, Ashemu, isn't a regular of Dgames but prefaces his statement with shock, as if it's people who know Ryu that are pushing this. Again, this is useless because it doesn't give any solid opinions and is filler. Yet it does become something solid if Ryu flips scum, because it makes sense for Joey to come in and say something random to get people off his back for doing something he usually does.

The closest thing I have to a scum read right now is actually Ashemu, but even then it's just one post that makes me wonder about the slot, and that post isn't even scummy enough to talk about without other posts behind it. One of those not too bad on it's own but could lead to scummy things, you know?

Every other slot that I've seen actually play the game so far seems townie to me. -shrug-

This shows that Joey is wishy washy, and has the rest of the game (including me) as townie. What I want to know if what exactly he thought of my slot before coming to his next conclusion of me.

Is there a reason why we're not voting Ranmaru anymore?

Like, he hasn't done anything that makes me feel better about his ****.

This shows that Joey is going to continue to stick to me, without doing anything else.

Unvote

I don't want my vote on Ryu lool.

This is Joey being comfortable, without any intentions to find scum. Only when:

vote someone now

This happens.

Vote: Ranmaru

Since there are less votes on him, I guess I'll do it.

Ranmaru is the only direction I see that I really wanna push right now. I've already stated what I distaste about him.

Just call me Joey btw. It's more simple that way.

This shows Joey not being convinced in finding scum. He's openly stating his wishy washyness because he knows there has been a consensus on me earlier in thread that he has already comitted to. He's doing nothing else to find scum. He only voted in reaction to Macman's smiley face of anger and death.

So at the top of my head, Joey has not been scumhunting, has only voted me in reaction to Macman yelling at him into voting, and has posted a random defense of Ryu without really reading into the situation carefully. His only continued 'contribution' is "Why are people not voting Ranmaru? He hasn't done anything to make me feel better." In reality, he hasn't been trying to develop his read on me. If he has actually read the thread and the reasoning for my some of town has found me townie, he may come to understand. He's also not looking at my whole play, but only by post. This shows he isn't analyzing, and hasn't actually stacked it up with my earlier play, which he seemed to like because he did mention above that ashie was sus and the rest of the player slots that were playing he found townie.

Earlier I was asked about Joey/Ryu but I didn't find anything wrong with it at the time, since I wanted to see their play develop. Well, both of their plays are not filling.

Ryu is a slight scum, only due to his vote on NL and not following it up. Ryu also never proactively voted NL, he only voted in response to me asking him about him. His question to me about Ash doesn't help him find scum, especially if he town read Ash. Yet he says he only town read her up to a certain point, yet never followed up with it ever again. He also isn't doing much, and his current refusal to answer my questions haven't helped me to strengthen my read. (hint: I asked those questions to be able to have a better gauge of him, but this is all I have to give at the moment)

No lynch I'll drop to null for now. The soup side has seemed to post less now and I can't progress my read on them from that. I'll keep them at an IGMEOU.

Unvote Vote: Joey
Fos: Ryu

 

[ranmaru]

Alright, Thanks Mac. Yeah it makes sense.

Why do you townread NL? How are you reading them now (and why). I see less of Soup posting now, and just Zen. Now that I have posted my opinions of Ryu/Joey, can you talk to me about them?

Soup vs ryu is interesting. Not sure if this is just people getting on ryu over nothing and soup jamming it out proportion like hes done to me and rake before or if this might actually lead somewhere. Will discuss with other head

WATT, how was it interesting? Tell me who was town/scum in the interaction and why. (And explain how you feel about them now as individual slots)

 

[ranmaru]

I would give our biggest scum-lean to Officer. Second in line in questionable behavior would be Ashemu. I have no idea who would be our third. I am waiting on WATT to post some original thoughts to see if it seals the deal for me at the moment.

Why is WATT and Ashemu suspicious to you? Hows your read on NL developing? (please provide reasoning)

What are your opinions of Ryu and Joey now?

not yet interested in giving up ran, i still thikn his case is awfu lbc it falls apart when u realize nl has never seriously tried to push watt, if nl wanted to push gotcha games he couldve just attacked watt rihgt there and had a solid ed1 position as scum, in context the interaction really doesnt mean anything. furthermore ran's total hyperfocus on taht case could be scum shielding themself by producing bs cuz he has a deceptive wordsontent ratio, his only other notable opinion was on me and it was bad and he's dropped it

I got you. Those two opinions were the only two I had at the time. I usually only give out my scumreads, and may defend town reads when I have a strong one. It's still a suspicious action regardless of them voting or not voting WATT. It's not strong enough for me to keep a scumread on them and am interested in knowing why Soup has been posting less. This is why I'm looking else where.

How are you reading NL currently?

Uh no, pretty sure I've been one of the most active.
Sorry, I was trying to post while heading to work. What I meant was: have you done this before with this style
Those were all simply slots that had not been contributing. Though soup was the one that mentioned Ruy. I don't think there's really anything suspect about him.

@rake in your #266 you state that Ranmaru's NL vote was a good vote; in your @268 you agree with Ashemu that the NL wagon is bad. That's what Mac is saying. Please explain. Also please keep your catch up posts to one or two posts. You know that posting style is anti-town.

Because I think you're town and your arguments are dumb. Like I can't even follow what your argument even is. Soup found Watt's eagerness to join his wagon suspect after he had just explained why voting Gheb or mac was the route to go. That's all there is to it. How the hell are you still on this after all this time? [Rhetorical, please don't answer]. Give me some input on Rake and Moira. I think Rake is scumbag.

I meant you Zen. I am stepping back for now though. I think Soup has stepped down though and am seeing more of you. Am I right? Why is he posting less? What are his reads seperately from yours?

Rake I don't have a problem with. Moira is null but is null and I'm interested in developing my read on him over time.

Talk to me about Ryu and Joey.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Cool I have different more interesting stances!

vote gheb

HoS Joey

FoS Rockin

IGMEOY NL

Not quite as content with what MUST be a decent amount of town as I'd like to be but I feel like these four slots are slots that NEED attention. More on that and other significant stuff later.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I thought it was SvS due to the jump after moira coming in, but it wasn't a 180. I was already voting NL in spirit, and re-voted him but was notified to him being L-2, so I put my vote elsewhere where I would think it'd be useful.

Was it this, I skimmed at work but I thought you changed votes when someone else voted Ash, I don't remember if the L-2 thing was even asked. Was it?

Why are you asking No Lynch for an updated reads list? I think you had a problem with him, how is it progressing?

I don't know where he stands on individuals in terms of priorities from what I skimmed at work, or at least I don't remember. I'm still interested in pushing that slot so I want to get a better feel. Hint: I am ignoring the meta reasons to why Soup side is town or scum, I do not let meta dictate my reads outside of slight guidance.

What is your current read of me and Joey?

Unsure on you trying to figure this one out, Joey is a town lean.

How is it odd? Can you clarify this? Does this bring them to a scum lean to you?

I don't see Ash scum, someone want to fill me in on that one? Ash seems more proactive and clear on intentions and pushes. Especially early on with me and how Ash pushed me when I played how I did. Officer is WATT right? If so, whats the issue there? He's null to me right now but outside of him randomly helping Rake with a Ruy push, which I don't think Rake voted on himself, I don't see what the merit of that is over pushing the other slots they have.

I want to look into Miora a bit more when I got a clear head, school + work burned me out + 5 hours of sleep. I didn't read this thread intently at work and skimmed, last final is tomorrow then I am Scott free after a midnight shift. Miora has reads that I'm trying to wrap around right now, I think they pushed No Lynch earlier but then backed off an agreed it was Soup being Soup if I remembered right?, correct me if I am wrong tired and irritable atm.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes the L-2 was stated, it's there. I didn't bandwagon onto Ash. I fos'd at first and then switched when the L2 thing came up.

What is your current read on NL though, do you still suspect them or just a null now?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's three questions. You are being anti-town for not answering. Save the thread the clutter please.

Most important: What is your current read on NL and why, since you have had a problem with him early in thread?

Still scummy and want dead.

I haven't read in depth outside of you in terms of popular wagons and where other people voted, I think your Ash vote was bad but trying to delve into that one. If No Lynch improved in quality I'll check tomorrow but right now I'm not sure why what No Lynch did early wasn't scummy. I do have problems with how No Lynch reacted early and that hasn't been remedied yet.

Either way, going to bed.

If people think you are scummy as balls, I sort of see why they thought that. The problem is, I could see it and you getting overzealous, like your Joey/Ruy stuff which I will say first hand you're just wrong and your going to have to take my work on it.

I know this might seem as hypocritical with my "**** meta leading reads" thing I've been doing recently but Joey has a strong habit of white knighting me and I do the same for him at times. Look at Luigi's Mansion, Joey went far out of his way to defend my slot. Look at Canadafia mafia, I did the same for Joey only wasting an investigate on him because I listend to the bull**** of how I defend people without reason when I did that was actually more legitimate than I gave myself credit for.

It's an out of game thing we do regardless of alignment.

 

[Dooms]

So instead of responding to my actual thoughts on you, you call me wishy washy and say I'm not committing to anything. Also, nice job assuming my first post was just responding to Ashemu. Soup was also getting on him for the exact same thing. Along with that, I stated my thoughts on Ashemu herself after I made that post.

I didn't think of you because you weren't around nearly as much as the other slots. It was mostly referring to WOTT, Gord, Ashemu, Ryu, and NL. I honestly tune you out in RVS because of the type of questions you ask. Sorry... I'm definitely 100% guilty of that though.

Also, good job ignoring the fact that my vote was basically on you. I even stated that my vote was pretty much on you and the only reason I wasn't voting you was that multiple people were on you. You're basically voting me for being wishy-washy and not using the bold vote command. So convincing!

I don't understand what else I should be doing right now when I'm still waiting on you to comment on my push towards you. I'm not going to sit here and be like "these people will work well with Ranmaru" when you're not responding to what I've said about you so I can actually further my read. I've stated to multiple people that I've already posted reasoning on my scum read towards you so that you'd actually respond to it, and instead of actually responding to what I've said, you make a case on me completely ignoring my actual push on you. What the hell Ranmaru?

I didn't feel the need to ask directly since you responded to everyone else pushing you except me, but since you've ignored it, respond to what I actually said about you.

Last thing.

"If he has actually read the thread and the reasoning for my some of town has found me townie, he may come to understand."

If you're really going to try this **** again, I will ignore you until one of us is dead. You have tried this on multiple people in an array of games. It's obnoxious and it doesn't work. People read you differently. "Ranmaru is meta town" is not a convincing case that makes people not scum read you. I'm not going to listen to other people call you meta town and be like "Yeah they're right" when you post **** like "I suspect NL because I saw one of the heads do this **** as scum before".

 

[#HBC | Mac]

vote gheb

 

[#HBC | Mac]

still townreading NL

not feelin scumRyu from your post ran.

I like the joey wagon because he's being incredibly frustrating in this game. Participating more so in offtopic threads of discussion, liking irrelevant posts but then not even contributing to the thread. and it's quite annoying and shows lack of any initiative. that being said, he hasn't screamed scum from the posts that he's actually made, actually just on a gut level i'm leaning the other way... can't really articulate why. BUT that being said, he's being incredibly anti-town in his behavior and so i can support that wagon.