ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[Moira]

Well how are we supposed to progress then Rockin? If you feel this way, why not ask some slots some questions to try a ya know find mafia?

 

[Ashemu]

willing to sheep on watt to confuse j further if ran isnt happening or gets better

 

[Moira]

Won't really confuse me.

 

[Rockin]

Well how are we supposed to progress then Rockin? If you feel this way, why not ask some slots some questions to try a ya know find mafia?

Trying to help progress. Currently, I'm waiting to see what No Lynch gots to say about that weird mixture of words (how macman is the most townie of all, yet if Gheb is scum, Macman is scum).. I currently don't have any question for any of the other cast. For the moment, I'm just reading in to what many are saying, and if I see something of interest, then I'll say something.

i guess the only question I have to the general public is what do we gain from either a No Lynch (Hydra) or Ranmaru lynch as far as information?

 

[Rockin]

Cause from what I'm seeing thus far, I don't see anything that we'd be able to use as far as information

 

[Moira]

Information wise, both slots give various connections to other slots but I feel No Lynch is more likely to flip town. Ranmaru is a null so I wouldn't gain much out of his flip. I am waiting for him to drop an either really obvious town-tell or a really obvious scum-tell.

I do have $0.02 to give on what you are saying to No Lynch on the "mix-up" because I do not feel you are reading it correctly. But I will hold off so you can gain what you would like on the slot since I want to encourage you do more to find scum.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

rockin ****.. he's saying that i have the most *pro-town* actions because i'm actively scum hunting, asking questions, pushing people. but that doesn't mean i'm town because those actions can be easily faked by scum pretending to seem townie. a better way to determine my alignment is to look at the connections that i'm making with other people not how i appear to be acting.

 

[No Lynch]

Really? I feel Rake is hollow regardless. I would love to see him hard sometime. He's a null-town and more locked in if I am correct on Officer.

Rake is aggressive and proactive as hell. Just take a peek at Scott Pilgrim, the last GS3, or some of the minis. Will you do so? D1 is all that's needed.

Right, but you're calling him one of the 'Most protown players' in the game. If you're saying that, then you must think that he's townie without question. It just sounds...pretty scummy to me.

You either think he's town or scum. No back peddling.

You're simply misinterpreting the way I'm using the word 'protown'. Slow down and think about what I'm actually saying. I want Mac around as things stand now and I like the directions he's taking. But not every player can be read on the surface like Ran can.

Here's an contrasting example: I think Ranmaru is town, but I do not think that he is playing in a PROtown way. In other words, I do not think that he is not playing in a way that is beneficial to town. Just because he is not playing in a protown way, that doesn't mean he is scum. It means he is playing badly. A mafia player can play in a protown way which usually means they are playing well. You know since it's kind of their job to blend in with the town.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I like what you've brought to the table Moira. No further questions.

There is such a **** load of scum in this game that it's unsettling. I'm honestly not sure if WATT is a part of that grouping but will shamelessly sheep Mac if he joins the wagon. I mean, sure the slot is on the armchair and needs to be more proactive, but in hindsight that in and of itself isn't scummy. He's played at least a moderately analytic game, which is cool, but his touch does feel really... soft, if that makes sense. Let's just say that I'm open to being wrong on my town lean on the slot.

More slots need prodding or attention but I'm not gonna do anything about it. Whopee.

 

[Moira]

I was in Scott Pilgrim, remember? I lynched Marshy's ass from the grave. GS3 I can take a gander at sometime, but Rake I always have a hard time reading.

 

[No Lynch]

"an contrasting" is probably the most obnoxious thing I've ever said in my entire life.

 

[No Lynch]

I was in Scott Pilgrim, remember? I lynched Marshy's *** from the grave. GS3 I can take a gander at sometime, but Rake I always have a hard time reading.

I know. You sig lol. I just want you to take a relook at it right quick and tell me if you still feel the same about his style.

 

[Moira]

There is such a **** load of scum in this game that it's unsettling.

Go further into this. We know you like things deep so open up a bit more.

More slots need prodding or attention but I'm not gonna do anything about it. Whopee.

Then why not do this yourself? Do not get why you aren't.

 

[Moira]

Uh, Zen in Scott Pilgrim, Rake was in a hydra at that game. I am going to look at GS3 but are there any games with him as a solo?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

it's because i'm tired and i know that since i only feel fine about you mac and ash that the majority of the prodding and attention would be frivolous, so i'd rather wait for the bad townies to not be ********.

i'll tell you that that top comment is in reference to not you mac or ash because of, well, the aforementioned explanation for not wanting to do anything. take that as you may, the floor is open to tear me a new one with like your plastic dildo or something.

 

[Moira]

Plastic is cheap. I have better tools than that mind you.

Still want to have like actual names for who are all the "scummy people" in the game.

 

[No Lynch]

I'm pretty sure he was solo in GS3.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

we should really sit back and let some other **** post

also:
i know it's been mentioned - but we should stop giving ppl free passes on gross **** based off their playstyle

gheb is not scum cuz "he's always reactionary and doesn't proactively hunt scum"
red ryu isn't scum cuz "he always asks useless vacuous questions that go nowhere"
ranmaru isn't scum cuz "he always does dumb overanalytical ****"
frozen's not scum cuz "he's always super inactive"

you guys should stop letting ppl have ****ty metas because all it does is hurt town in every single game that gets played in this forum

 

[Moira]

Okay reading Rake in GS3 I already see the big difference in play. He asks actually decent questions where here they lead nowhere. I see what you are talking about now No Lynch.

On Macman's cue to let others post, this hydra is signing off. Meta arguments are dumb, but I stand by Gheb doing this regardless of alignment. He just hasn't done anything indicative of scum play, it is gross, but it's to be expected.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Plastic is cheap. I have better tools than that mind you.

Still want to have like actual names for who are all the "scummy people" in the game.

watt gheb joey ruy nl rake rockin ran frozen

so basically not you mac or ash

 

[Rockin]

You're simply misinterpreting the way I'm using the word 'protown'. Slow down and think about what I'm actually saying. I want Mac around as things stand now and I like the directions he's taking. But not every player can be read on the surface like Ran can.

Here's an contrasting example: I think Ranmaru is town, but I do not think that he is playing in a PROtown way. In other words, I do not think that he is not playing in a way that is beneficial to town. Just because he is not playing in a protown way, that doesn't mean he is scum. It means he is playing badly. A mafia player can play in a protown way which usually means they are playing well. You know since it's kind of their job to blend in with the town.

Ahh, okay. I understand then.

But yeah, I would like to hear what you have to say as far as a ramaru lynch benefit (if you feel there's any)

 

[No Lynch]

Ahh, okay. I understand then.

But yeah, I would like to hear what you have to say as far as a ramaru lynch benefit (if you feel there's any)

I don't feel there's any. If he happened to flip scum, then the benefit would be nl clear, Ashemu suspect, gorf suspect. Probably more that I'm not entertaining because I do not think it's likely the case.

 

[Ashemu]

If he happened to flip scum, then the benefit would be nl clear, Ashemu suspect, gorf suspect.

wow

i guess the only question I have to the general public is what do we gain from either a No Lynch (Hydra) or Ranmaru lynch as far as information?

who cares. lynch 4 scum not info

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You say your vote on WATT is well placed, but I am curious to this because I am starting to dislike him. What do you make of his most recent play? Also why is the Ranmaru push holding potential?

I prefer to not answer the 2nd question.

As for WATT:
When I asked him why he singled out Macman and me in the beginning he said that he finds us hard to read and therefore prioritized us. In post #42 he claims that reading me has no particular priority for him. Not straight-up contradictory but a fast, unprovoked 180 turn if you ask me. Then in post #50 he suddenly says that he had no intention to do anything with his vote on me

No input in p3 and only filler content on p4 [ @ #HBC | Mac check it out - that's what you should consider 'worthless presence']. Same goes for p5. The stuff he posts is either a.) unrelated to the game b.) classifies people's behavior as them 'being theselves' or null or c.) has Ashemu as town-lean which is like the easiest read in this game so far. Only on page 6 does he mention his scum leans and only because he was specifically asked for them. Of course, he doesn't really back the reads up.
No content on page 7. Should be noted that his most-used term is "regardless of alignment". He keeps saying it about like everything that's being mentioned.
Page 9 is the first time he actually posts something substantial, throwing out 3 townreads [Ashemu, Macman, Ran] and 1 scumlean [No Lynch]. Explanations are very much superficial, he's actually shaky on his NL read and similar reads have been mentioned by most other active players.

That's my analysis on his play up to the moment you asked me about him. I think WATT not being quite able to explain his read on me in early game, then mentioning me as null but still having his vote on me right now has a similar reason as for why he failed to or avoided to produce any useful content of his own: a distinctive lack of confidence, which isn't unusual for many a scumbag. Dietz in particular I would expect to be kind of at a loss as a mafioso.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gotta post more poems next time though!

 

[Ashemu]

c.) has Ashemu as town-lean which is like the easiest read in this game so far.

tru ^_^

this is hella egotistical of me but i question zens paranoia about my slot when his buddy was outright townreading me, especially when he argues id be ran's buddy which is lmao. are you two not talking?

 

[Ashemu]

"hydra partner" not "buddy"

whoops i scumsliiped. the team is me/zen/soup. im done 4

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I would not take Zen serious under any circumstance.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

uh...



i guess you were just liking the fact that ran voted in general?


but I thought you liked ran's vote? you mean everything else he posted is Ran BS?

I meant a good vote in the context of that point in time (i.e i felt Ran laid out that vote well at that time), but I didn't make that clear enough so thats my bad.

Not everything necessarily but from what I've seen I'm not sure where people are making the distinction between stuff Ran normally does , and how it's scummy in this instance. Can you re lay out to me why you feel like Ran would approach the game how he has.

From my experience scum Ran is next to n0n existent and kinda just drags his feet around so to speak. I see him working at things here and so far it seems like the flak he's catching is moreso the same twonmarru flak he usually brings upon himself.

Specifically I want you to lay out why his Ashemu vote was so bad (i believe someone mentioned they felt this vote was dicey for some reason or another ?, if it wasn't you feel free to ignore this bit) because from my pov although Ran was mistakenly reading Ashemu's intent and all, Ran's jump wasn't illogical or even that terrible, Ashemu's voiced indecision could very well be scum flopping around from some perspectives and Ran is the type of player who pushes on how he perceives things. I think saying he jumped down AShemu's throat opportunistically (or however this was worded when I read it), is a pretty inaccurate and gross glossing over of how Ran handled it and almost feels like Ran's play is being cookie cut into having scum intent when from my pov I don't see any.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Reading other things but wanted to quick-hit this: How is this scummy? Considering its D1 of course most of the thoughts are going to be "hell if I know" which is true. That is actually a lot of people's reads this Day Phase. This is a weird D1 because no one has really been making blatantly scummy moves. People seem to be mainly voting for gripes with players>that of them being scummy which is something I disagree with. The main offenders I see here is Macman on Gheb for being his normal self makes me scratch my head. Ashemu bandwagoning Ranmaru after joining the No Lynch wagon first is contradictory to what she said previously yet everyone is town-reading her for a reason I do not see. She's as my thoughtful side put it "s l u t t y with her vote" which is very true. She throws it around like it's nothing and just follows whatever wagon seems to be joining steam. The only one she hasn't is Gheb, but this one she actually explained. Her actions make me want to vote her, but her tone suggest she may just be flippant town. My other side left me a note saying that she is a read she does not want lynched, but would like to wait on so I am obliging that for now.

Don't like the Gheb/NL/Ranmaru wagons. Think they are all poorly founded wagons based on information that is just not sound. I feel like starting my own wagon and see where it's gonna go. Just gimme a bit to catch up. This post became longer than intended due to tangents, but yeah.

Needs more sex in this post though.

I didn't say it was scummy though. I just said I didn't enjoy you, that neither implies nor infers a scum read

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Anyways I am caught up on things. There really isn't much I haven't hit on (as a hydra) that isn't, but Gorf has asked this slot to expand on a few things since we are being a bit vague in our responses. Though we have been posting things so I do not get why he keeps saying we are posting fluff and not doing much. Sang just isn't bold with her pushes like me, but we are the same person in this hydra so I will just take responsibility for that.

I find Sexy Officer not looking good especially if I am reading it correctly that it is Orbo posting. He is asking questions, but they go nowhere It's like he is phoning in the questions and not really scum-hunting

It's like you said what I said but in paragraph form

. He also said he had a scum-lean of No Lynch and I was truly hoping he would either vote them or actually go more into why he disliked them, but said that it was more due to Soup. Sure, that's the consensus but what about what Soup did makes him scummy? Then he throws his vote onto Red Ryu out of nowhere and it is truly making me scratch my head. He quoted a post by Rake saying that if a wagon started he would join but what makes Sexy Officer wanna lynch Red Ryu? Is it seriously just Rake saying that the wagon would be enough for him to get going after him? Red Ryu has not done much this game besides early D1. (gut town feel from them, nothing really strong to say he is definitely town) So what makes this wagon the wagon to push?

[/quote ]

Well I mean i'm pretty good at this game.
Although I think you may have glossed over my reasoning for Red Ryu which is pretty straightforward. The implication of WATT voting with me would be that he agrees at least somewhat although I can't remember if WATT ever talked about ryu before.

Don't get Sexy Officer's play this game and seems hollow. I want to see more from them in terms of getting some skin in the game and actually scum-hunting. Until I see better moves from this hydra, I am content with having my vote on them.

Vote: Sexy Officer (Wots All This Then)

So let's try and further this read a bit more. Officer, come into my interrogation room we have some probing to do. Why is your vote on Red Ryu for real? Why are you not questioning No Lynch more to further your read? Finally, what do you make of Gheb's response to Macman?

A thing this girl would like to see is more words from No Lynch on Rake scumbagging it up. I do not see scumRake at this time but Rake being fastidious. I mean, if Officer is scum I doubt that there is a connection between these two slots as scum together based on interactions and Officer blatantly starting a wagon to what looks like to get on Rake's good side.

@ Rockin :

I love that you would more then willing to follow us, but I feel you are being a bit vague in your reads. I know Big Mac already asked you this, but let's say we put a certain type of gun to your head. Who dies? I am forcing a read out of you and I want at least one name that can die if you cannot think of anyone else scummy you should vote them in that post.

@ #HBC | Gorf : If you have a problem with us not giving much, why not question us further to help you establish your read? You get one more time of asking for "more" instead of being specific.

If anyone is around and would like to talk anything through, tag Moira/J and I'll be around for the night.

You could talk to me more about WATT, I still have something I remember from D1 that I think caught my eye to ask about, but the fact that you at least see the same thing I saw makes me feel a little warm and fuzzy for now I suppose.

Is Ryu a target of opportunity ? I have to say if the idea you're pushing is that the Ryu vote makes no sense is == scummy, you need to go further in depth as to how so. Saying it appears just to get on my good side I suppose is semi accurate, but I think the better question for you to have asked is why he isn't pursuing his own stuff and is instead chasing my Ryu pressure / see what's up wagon's tail

 

[Dooms]

Is there a reason why we're not voting Ranmaru anymore?

Like, he hasn't done anything that makes me feel better about his ****.

 

[Rockin]

Is there a reason why we're not voting Ranmaru anymore?

Like, he hasn't done anything that makes me feel better about his ****.

Well explain what it is that makes him scummy then. So far, I'm not seeing it.

 

[No Lynch]

tru ^_^

this is hella egotistical of me but i question zens paranoia about my slot when his buddy was outright townreading me, especially when he argues id be ran's buddy which is lmao. are you two not talking?

lmao? Quite the reaction for a completely hypothetical situation that I don't (or didn't) even believe existed. You don't have to believe and idea to entertain it. Rockin asked me a question so I tried to give him what he was looking for. You do realize that I have Ran as a strong town read? Meaning that possibility wasn't even a reality for me. Your reaction is really intriguing though.

The reasoning behind the connection, which you did not ask for, is from a scum ran perspective. If Ran were scum, then his circumstantial scum read of you would look like safe distancing. I think his call out on you is weird even for Ran. As he said, his scum read on you was only in the case of a nl scum flip. I've used this technique as scum and have seen others use it. When the player flips town, you can drop the suspicion of your mate because it was all centered around the scum flip of the other player. All the same you gained distance between you and your scum mate by making it to look like you had legitimate suspicion of him.

Another example of this would be if Macman and I were scum mates and Gheb were town. I've put macman suspicions as circumstantial to a Gheb flip. Upon Gheb's town flip, I could retract my suspicions of Macman.

 

[Dooms]

Well explain what it is that makes him scummy then. So far, I'm not seeing it.

"I'm fine with a Ranmaru push. The whole voting No Lynch for something he's done in a scum game before thing is kind of a load of **** and the vote in general looks very opportunistic. The Ashemu vote is very poorly explained and it looks like he just threw an accusation to throw an accusation, which looks really bad considering Ashemu was SO easy to jump on after she jumped on the NL wagon because of her opinion of the wagon prior to her vote. Along with that, his 229 is really disgusting. Specifically the line "Opportunistic in the sense that you hard defend No Lynch as a scumbuddy, but decide to pile on when there is a major support for his death or at least a major discomfort with his slot." Why would Ashemu wait to jump on after one more person votes the slot? The amount of pressure on the slot didn't realistically change much at all. An array of people were voting No Lynch already, and adding one more person didn't really add much to the pressure aspect. I don't understand how you can accuse Ashemu of going from hard defense to busing when she already showed slight distaste in the slot prior to jumping on the wagon and she had her own reasoning for joining the wagon either way (which isn't weak if you don't think about meta by the way)."

These are my thoughts on Ranmaru. I haven't seen anything that makes me think that he isn't scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

How did we get to page 11?

@Mod:request votecount

 

[No Lynch]

I rly shuld just strt tlkn likw vult w/ th eamount of typos I make.

@ ~ Gheb ~ will you answer my question about your posting style.

Why do you always feel the need to make a don't take zen serious comment when you agree with me more often than not? Mayhaps not in game, but in general.

@ Rockin what was the reason you asked me that question? Why me specifically?


Soup and I will be making a hopefully unified post on everything later on today.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Because it seems to make you mad and it makes me laugh. But I will stop it if it really bothers you.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

gheb and ashemu, thoughts on rake?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

**** formatting