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Nimious

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Izaw (Link) vs Ixis (Sonic) best of 7

50€

This is EU's best Sonic


Sponsored by Bogart Smash Tour.

Solid Link play but it's too bad this is way too old to really learn anything from. I hope you post something with your Link this patch :).

Saying that, while a lot of people saw you as too flashy in Brawl I would dare to say you're not flashy enough in Smash 4. The distinct lack of AT is actually disturbing.

Also weird option choice at 5:17. Why didn't you just turn around and charge Down-Smash instead of Forward-Smash? I'm pretty sure that would have been the optimal option as the back hit of Down-Smash would send Sonic at an unrecoverable angle.
 

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He did do a bomb smash though, man I miss those. Btw Ixis seems to have faced every Link on the planet, he beat me pretty easily, played Anaky all the time and once beat Kirin 2-1.
 
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He did do a bomb smash though, man I miss those. Btw Ixis seems to have faced every Link on the planet, he beat me pretty easily, played Anaky all the time and once beat Kirin 2-1.
He also did Jab Cancels... a lot. Well what I meant was most of the tech he did do can't be done anymore so there's not much to take out of this:[.

Did Ixis do so in Smash 4? I just don't think Sonic against Link would be favourable for Sonic given that an active boomerang can stuff out most of the spin dash stuff. Also given that Sonic can't really combo without spin dash they'd have to play quite differently against Link.

Also doesn't Jab Two Cancels work very well on Sonic?
 

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Did Ixis do so in Smash 4? I just don't think Sonic against Link would be favourable for Sonic given that an active boomerang can stuff out most of the spin dash stuff. Also given that Sonic can't really combo without spin dash they'd have to play quite differently against Link.

Also doesn't Jab Two Cancels work very well on Sonic?
Yes in Sm4sh, so he knows the match-up well. Sonic is one of Link's least bad high tier match-ups for sure. Lawz will upload a set against Cam when they can set that up, because obviously Lawz knows the match-up well. Some of our best footage is against Sonic -- Kirin knows the match-up, so the Apex set against DJ relly is useful. Scizor once narrowly beat a Sonic 2-1, that extraordinary set was on Twitch but is gone now sadly. StaticManny went his Link 2 games in winner's finals against a Sonic, losing both, then decided to switch to Sonic himself and won easily in the ditto. I brought Ixis to his last stock game 1, when he went more aggressive. Then boomerang works well for any spin dash involved approaches. Yet game 2 he played more slowly and patiently, in which case Sonic can easily outplay us by tricking us into shielding or committing to a laggy boomerang / something else, and he 2-stocked me. He did well that tournament too, he took two games from Mr-R and placed third. I did Jab1Jab2Utilt him a few times, and got a Dsmash kill from it. Maybe...?

He knows the match-up, that's for sure. But in general it's at least doable. I must point out though that Cat had to go MK against a somewhat decent (but far from great) Sonic main here. It can be very tricky, especially when they play more slowly.
 

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Yes in Sm4sh, so he knows the match-up well. Sonic is one of Link's least bad high tier match-ups for sure. Lawz will upload a set against Cam when they can set that up, because obviously Lawz knows the match-up well. Some of our best footage is against Sonic -- Kirin knows the match-up, so the Apex set against DJ relly is useful. Scizor once narrowly beat a Sonic 2-1, that extraordinary set was on Twitch but is gone now sadly. StaticManny went his Link 2 games in winner's finals against a Sonic, losing both, then decided to switch to Sonic himself and won easily in the ditto. I brought Ixis to his last stock game 1, when he went more aggressive. Then boomerang works well for any spin dash involved approaches. Yet game 2 he played more slowly and patiently, in which case Sonic can easily outplay us by tricking us into shielding or committing to a laggy boomerang / something else, and he 2-stocked me. He did well that tournament too, he took two games from Mr-R and placed third. I did Jab1Jab2Utilt him a few times, and got a Dsmash kill from it. Maybe...?

He knows the match-up, that's for sure. But in general it's at least doable. I must point out though that Cat had to go MK against a somewhat decent (but far from great) Sonic main here. It can be very tricky, especially when they play more slowly.
That's interesting to hear given I that I think Link should have the advantage in the match-up.

I should also mention soft tossed bombs will blow up if spin dashed on top of as it does over 6%. In this manner they work like mines however there's been instances where it hasn't blown up for whatever reason. Things might have changed this patch though.

I mention Jab Two Cancels because Sonic is one of the characters that it should work consistently against allowing Link to fight better than usual up close.

Granted, I don't think I've faced a great Sonic yet.

Mr.R's actually my favourite Brawl/Smash 4 player so to see Ixis take two games off of him automatically legitimizes him in my eyes :D.
 

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That's interesting to hear given I that I think Link should have the advantage in the match-up.
Ixis was certainly a far better player than me and I've never faced another Sonic, but Kirin did lose to him too and he has stated he knows the Sonic match-up. I doubt it's in our advantage if the Sonic abuses his speed and his ability to trick us into committing to our far more laggy arsenal. He can't autopilot on us however, that's for sure. We should ask Statimanny about it some time -- if there's anybody who'll know it's him.

Mr.R's actually my favourite Brawl/Smash 4 player so to see Ixis take two games off of him automatically legitimizes him in my eyes :D.
Lol I'll let him know. We're pushing him to pick up Link again, we may see him as an alt for him some day (he does love bombslides!).
 

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Lol I'll let him know. We're pushing him to pick up Link again, we may see him as an alt for him some day (he does love bombslides!).
Mr.R's Link was awesome back in Brawl. Real flashy, just like his Marth lol :).

I'd love to see his Link in Smash 4 he'd probably show off some interesting ideas.

Competitively I think he should consider Link. If I'm not mistaken he uses Shiek and Captain Falcon right? I believe I've seen him play Little Mac and Zero Suit Samus as well. In any case even if he switched characters it'd still be a rush-down type. It might be good to keep a pocket Link for his zoning against some match-ups.
 

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I think the one thing I've noticed in all these matches is that no one does B-reverse bomb pulls.

It should be possible and it seems like a great thing to utilize but no one's done it. I haven't been able to do it whenever I tried it though.
 

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I think the one thing I've noticed in all these matches is that no one does B-reverse bomb pulls.

It should be possible and it seems like a great thing to utilize but no one's done it. I haven't been able to do it whenever I tried it though.
You can't b-reverse bomb pulls. If you could I would have mentioned it in the AT thread.
 

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You can't b-reverse bomb pulls. If you could I would have mentioned it in the AT thread.
Yeah I've spent a significant amount of time trying to see if it was possible. Even though diddy can do it with his banana pull, we can't b-reverse bomb pulls. It sucks because a b-reversed bomb pull would actually be awesome.
 

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You can't b-reverse bomb pulls. If you could I would have mentioned it in the AT thread.
That's really weird. Do you have any idea why?

You can B-reverse boomerangs and other characters can B-reverse their Down-Bs but not Link? That doesn't seem right to me.

Yeah I've spent a significant amount of time trying to see if it was possible. Even though diddy can do it with his banana pull, we can't b-reverse bomb pulls. It sucks because a b-reversed bomb pull would actually be awesome.
That's a shame though it just doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps the inputs are different? I just don't see why it shouldn't work.
 

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Mr.R's Link was awesome back in Brawl. Real flashy, just like his Marth lol :).

I'd love to see his Link in Smash 4 he'd probably show off some interesting ideas.

Competitively I think he should consider Link. If I'm not mistaken he uses Shiek and Captain Falcon right? I believe I've seen him play Little Mac and Zero Suit Samus as well. In any case even if he switched characters it'd still be a rush-down type. It might be good to keep a pocket Link for his zoning against some match-ups.
I'm not sure it will happen, he doesn't seem very drawn to him yet, back in the early Wii U days he said he wanted to pick him up again but the enthusiasm seems to be mostly gone.

I accidentally missed all kinds of Scizor footage, it turns out, it's great!

Scizor:4link:/:4greninja: vs Angbad:4olimar:
4 June 2015 Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93DtaAFvwjo

Scizor:4link:/:4greninja: + S2H:4metaknight: vs Larry:4fox:+ Terry:4mario:
16 February 2015 Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59jJ2qWflCg

Scizor:4link: + S2H:4metaknight:vs Zenyou:4mario:+ Bam:4sonic:
16 February 2015 Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6bfSZXKK-M

Scizor:4greninja:/:4link: vs Aphro:rosalina:
29 December 2014 Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSs4cbfIx30

Scizor:4link: vs MastaZenyouX:4mario:
17 February 2015 Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjGWApZlwo4

Also great new Hyrule Hero footage:

Hyrule Hero:4link: vs Cyanide:4tlink:
14 June 2015 Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWDeCVhJ09M

Hyrule Hero:4link: vs Funny:4fox:
14 June 2015 Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfZyx1XX7q8

More good stuff:

Infern:4link: vs Denti:4diddy:
May 16 2015 Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SITM2cBdErU

Keitaro:4link:/:4falco: vs Scrub Lord:4diddy:/:4sheik:
May 29 2015 Tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SK9lZr_io

Keitaro:4link:/:4falco: vs Mister Eric:4rob:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl4yrhR1P28
 
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AGH. I PUT THIS IN THE WRONG THREAD.

Went to a local tourney in Renton.
Used Link and Roy.
Placed 9th out of 30.
SD'd my way out of Loser's bracket . . .

http://epeengaming.challonge.com/6h0pgsp4
http://epeengaming.challonge.com/6h0pgsp4/standings

http://www.twitch.tv/epeengaming/b/670308143
Bunch of friendlies that I took part in at the start.

Only Winner's Bracket matches were streamed, so here's the ones I took part in.

Zerker :4feroy: vs DtD | Pferschaw :4fox:
http://www.twitch.tv/epeengaming/b/670308143?t=1h19m06s

Zerker :4link: / :4feroy: vs Grimlock :4diddy:
http://www.twitch.tv/epeengaming/b/670308143?t=2h16m30s/
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl7NR2kU6Dw
Here are my matches at Smash n Splash national tournament.
Requiem (Link) vs Wizzrobe (Sheik) starts at 6:59:19
Requiem (Link) vs Soyeki (Wario, Sonic) starts at 7:26:05
Requiem (Link) vs DLA (Ganondorf) starts at 7:44:21

http://www.twitch.tv/clashtournaments/v/6133806
@ Dumbfire Dumbfire
Woah great to have the set against DLA, some good Ganon footage finally. I loved the set agains Wizzrobe too, improvement over what happened last time he faced a Link.
 

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Vids from the tourney I went to - the stream kept on cutting out, as Smash 4 was restricted to Wifi only while the PM stream got the wired connection. All sets were friendlies I played before the tourney - unfortunately, I never got to play on stream during the tournament. And yes, the stream overlay was terrible. I hate not being able to see how many stocks there are left, too.
Critiques are welcome.
http://www.twitch.tv/god_of_grunts/b/670816935
http://www.twitch.tv/god_of_grunts/b/670816935?t=8m05s (with a crazy weird shieldbreak at http://www.twitch.tv/god_of_grunts/b/670816935?t=13m53s - if nothing else you should watch this highlight)
http://www.twitch.tv/god_of_grunts/b/670823925 (longest working video)
 

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My portion of my playgroup's monthly crew battle tournament, Filthy Casuals. Admittedly, I was indeed a bit bloodthirsty which eventually led to mine demise. =( I usually don't play like that, but, my opponent was my IRL brother and I wanted the win soooo bad. lol

 
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On the shield break, a fully charged fsmash would have KO'd him. Even if he DI'd properly.
Lol you know when that happened i wasnt sure what option to go with. Thought about an upb but appreciate that. Good to know for future reference
 
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Lol you know when that happened i wasnt sure what option to go with. Thought about an upb but appreciate that. Good to know for future reference
Fsmash gives you 4 more damage too, so it's usually the ideal option.
 

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Get yo' FG montages outta here.
This is all offline, against players like Haze, Istudy, Mr.r, Ixis etc you ignorant noob

I'm sorry where is your Link? Who are you? Never heard of you.... never seen you ....
 
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This is all offline, against players like Haze, Istudy, Mr.r, Ixis etc you ignorant noob

I'm sorry where is your Link? Who are you? Never heard of you.... never seen you ....
Don't be a ****head.

Also, stop calling Link the new Diddy Kong in your videos. You and I both know he's not a high tier character and saying things like that only spreads misinformation amongst the community. I like your content but I don't say false statements like that.
 
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I'm sorry I can claim whatever I want about my high tier character..

You howver can claiming he is low tier to

1 make yourself feel better
2 have something to blame on
3 demotivate yourself
4 limit yourself
5 not win

It's your opinion, I ain't got nothing against it. Stop hating
 

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I'm sorry I can claim whatever I want about my high tier character..

You howver can claiming he is low tier to

1 make yourself feel better
2 have something to blame on
3 demotivate yourself
4 limit yourself
5 not win

It's your opinion, I ain't got nothing against it. Stop hating
To answer your question, no I don't main Link, but I do play him as a secondary character for some matches on Anther's and offline friendlies around here to at least know how he plays, setups and frame data. I don't claim myself to be professional even with my main, Mario. That being said, quit further stroking your ego with your "main", who I'm pretty sure most of us thought you dropped beforehand, as I'm guessing the Sheik "nerf" was too much to handle. The last thing we need is attention whores like you spreading misinformation on a character who already suffers from bad OoS options and a weak CQC (stuff like that doesn't make a high tier at all) before Link gets nerfed.....Again.
 
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