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OK, cool. Now that you're here, what do you think of everything that has happened thus far?Sorry. Valentine's Day weekend. Will be here today.
Looking forward to it.8. Spak - slight scum (Just gut based, I'll probably read thru all his posts again and tag him with questions.)
Let me get this straight: you state that you think Gheb voted for Del because he was asking a question that was already answered, summarize Corps' Mafia skill, then said that you guess Gheb voted Del to put on pressure to answer a question (which was not mentioned in your initial reasoning statement, nor do I see a question directed at Del when I read back). You then ask Del for his thoughts, although I'm not sure what thoughts Del would have to share on the issue since Gheb would be the only one able to confirm/deny his own reasoning. The fact that your reasoning for Gheb's vote is different in the first and second sentences makes you sound very unsure of your reasoning, and asking Del for his thoughts on something that he isn't related to seems a bit panicked; do you actually know why Gheb voted for Del, or are you just putting out theories and trying to rationalize them?You voted him because he asked a question that corp had already answered, and then corp stated that he/she (sorry I don't know >_>) wasn't new to mafia. I'm guessing that you voted him to put some pressure for him to answer. @The Man From Delamar Thoughts?
Questions are nice, but we need your thoughts too. In isolation, this isn't a bad post in any respect. When it makes up a doube-digit percent of your contribution, though...#HBC | J how do you feel about Pheonix thus far?
No stance is not a stance. In isolation, this isn't a terrible post. When an answer of "no stance...nullish" makes up a double digit percent of your content, though...Feeling conflicted on Phoenix myself mostly since it feels so....null and not there to care to me.
Earlish feel read for me but one that I am looking at and trying to figure out.
It feels off to me on early stuff.
Questions are nice and all, but...see above...Who do you think is scum right now off a best guess?
That's helpful and all, but...Don't answer for others.
It tends to taint questions a lot.
This was your first post of substance in the game as best as I can tell. And it's half meta, if we're honest, and a clarified stance with an asterisk on it twice ("strangely....strange...somewhat..." etc)I feel like some dislike or question are at dastrn is a return of people not liking his semi mechanical approach, if I recall this is very standard of what I remember and some people do approach it like this.
Strangely made me likes corps more despite it somewhat of a strange focus on my inclusion.
A lot of it is me trying to feel people out and keep focus on a few interactions, you and pheonix interests me.#HBC | Red Ryu Your activity has been lacking content, and sparse to say the least.
(...skipping RVS posts...)
Questions are nice, but we need your thoughts too. In isolation, this isn't a bad post in any respect. When it makes up a doube-digit percent of your contribution, though...
No stance is not a stance. In isolation, this isn't a terrible post. When an answer of "no stance...nullish" makes up a double digit percent of your content, though...
Questions are nice and all, but...see above...
That's helpful and all, but...
This was your first post of substance in the game as best as I can tell. And it's half meta, if we're honest, and a clarified stance with an asterisk on it twice ("strangely....strange...somewhat..." etc)
Do you have anything to bring to the table that will let us see what's underneath the surface a little? You're a good player, so you shouldn't be having this much trouble getting involved in a meaningful way.
You're currently on my lynchable list not only because of your inactivity, but by the nature of what little activity you've given us.
I hate everything about this post. A townie should never be afraid to tell the truth. Reads change and different people get read differently for the same tells based on their circumstances. Wanting to be able to freely move reads around without scrutiny is not a valid reason to withhold information.~ Gheb ~ looked through the game, don't see where you think Man from Delmar is being scummy outside of semi-buddying behavior with me early on. Explain and talk about other people too
When I play mafia I hate giving town reads because it traps you. If I say I like player A for example A, and I want to lynch player B, and Player B starts doing example A, now I have to explain why I still want to lynch him when he's doing something I was giving town reads for. Then maybe player A does something that makes me smell blood in the water, but I already defended him earlier by giving him a town read, so now I'd have to explain my flip, when the only reasons for it are scum reasons. If I never had to give town reads, I could push player B and then jump on Player A, and never have to be tied down to "can't lynch this person because I'm supposed to be town reading them", because it's easy enough to justify flipping through a few options if no one knows where your head is at.
From my perspective, forcing scum to town read people limits their options and ability to team up without giving themselves away. Almost every time I've played it comes down to "But you said you were town reading this guy for voting Maven, but now you're listing this other guy's Maven vote as why you're voting him, and you never said you were reading Maven as town", or something along those lines. Catch mafia by forcing them to post and explain their thoughts, because mafia are full of ****. Then you use your bull**** detector and sniff em out. Forcing them to say who they're "town reading" and why helps with that.
Hell, many times you can find scum just because they're the ones refusing to town read anyone even into day 3. Not a rule/guarantee, I've been in that situation as town, but it's still hella suspicious.
Yeah, that's because I honestly didn't know if he meant to respond with more and forgot, found something at fault with my statement, or just make a joke. I figured that he would actually try to argue for/against my response in a constructive manner to help get us out of RVS (since this was pretty much the first legitimate question all game), but apparently he just wanted to ask a question and then make a joke about it.I disliked Spak the most in the early stages of the game prior to Dastrn's bad push on Ryu. First thing that caught my eye in this game was his tone shift in his #130 post seeming awkward. “Oh dear, I’ve been found out. Call the executioner lol” and then “But seriously, what’s the point you’re trying to make” is a weird shift between brushing off a joke to getting unnecessarily defensive about a joke.
One of my top 3 targets is voting me. oh noes. /sI don't see any problem with Ryu's content being a lot of questions and non-stances considering there's not a lot of content in this game that warrants hard stances.
Vote: Dastrn
Mechanical play is one thing, but I really dislike how much time he spent on taking credit for getting the game out of RVS phase and then doing nothing but explaining mafia theory in horrendous walls. Concern about liking posts having the potential to send private information isn't something town would worry about because mafia can send private information to each other all the time anyways. The fact that a very mechanical player was worried about a mechanical advantage from sending private information via likes suggests to me he is mafia worried that town might take advantage of likes to communicate with each other. Of course he could have voiced concerns in private with the mod about this and could just be worried about it in a mafia-theory fairness sense, too.
I think you were missing what Maven was saying there. It sounds like he was saying that when he is playing as scum, he hates being forced to share town reads. Not when he is playing the game mafia in general.I hate everything about this post. A townie should never be afraid to tell the truth. Reads change and different people get read differently for the same tells based on their circumstances. Wanting to be able to freely move reads around without scrutiny is not a valid reason to withhold information.
That said, there's no reason for scum to say what Maven said here. I am townreading him at this point in the game, I just wanted to point out my disdain for this post in specific.
Okay, I'm still just gonna play Street Fighter instead of mafia tonight, but are you seriously pushing that? The end of that paragraph makes me feel like you aren't, but if you aren't, why did you bring it up?Concern about liking posts having the potential to send private information isn't something town would worry about because mafia can send private information to each other all the time anyways. The fact that a very mechanical player was worried about a mechanical advantage from sending private information via likes suggests to me he is mafia worried that town might take advantage of likes to communicate with each other. Of course he could have voiced concerns in private with the mod about this and could just be worried about it in a mafia-theory fairness sense, too.
This confuses me, could you put it differently, like leans of town or Mafia?Read-list
J
Gheb
Ryker
Dastrn
Spak
Maven
TSYK
Kantrip
Delamar
Red Ryu
Is this the one you mean?A lot of it is me trying to feel people out and keep focus on a few interactions, you and pheonix interests me.
Spak in general does.
Mostly where I am right now.
If you mean why I haven't been posting as much as other games, I'm trying to make sure when I post I make sure I keep up with what is going on then ask where I need to dig into to figure out people better.
Spak interesting me because I don't see him as straight scum but want to figure out if this is him being scum or just making some sub par decisions. I'm not sold on either.
Concern about liking posts having the potential to send private information isn't something town would worry about because mafia can send private information to each other all the time anyways. The fact that a very mechanical player was worried about a mechanical advantage from sending private information via likes suggests to me he is mafia worried that town might take advantage of likes to communicate with each other.
Which is it? You're contradicting yourself.no I am not seriously pushing you for what you said about liking posts.
I might just have been wrong about this.Still also willing to see Kantrip go, but I doubt his first 7 posts would give me as much of a scum smell as RR has.
Yes.Is this the one you mean?
Did you really just cite Oddworld as a game in which someone would know you by? Firstly, that was my first game here on this site and my entrance game. Second, that was 6 years ago. Like why would you use that game haha. (As an aside, Kanty was not even in the community at that time.)You've played with me before as well. Perhaps with my hydra account xastrn? I can't recall which game, maybe Oddworld? What have you seen in this game that has been so different that makes you see the mechanical play early as a scum tell and not a playstyle?
I actually understood it better and it actually has provided more reads than anyone has currently done. Looking at the faces are like looking at social cues, you can understand it if you look at it closely.This confuses me, could you put it differently, like leans of town or Mafia?
Without trying to sound rude, it was almost incomprehensible. Can you put it into sentences that a high school english teacher wouldn't dock your grade for?
(I genuinely don't mean to be rude, but I literally couldn't make much sense out of it, since it was mostly fragments, and punctuation was few and far between.)
Happens when I post from my phone.I'm sorry. There was a much kinder way to put that. I am dealing with a pissy coworker on a skype call, and I was trying to express my thought, and clarify that I wasn't trying to be rude, but as soon as I read it back, I realized that it'd be hard not to see it as a **** post. That's not how I roll.
Sincerely, I apologize.
Eh, I can't tell what some of them mean frankly.I actually understood it better and it actually has provided more reads than anyone has currently done. Looking at the faces are like looking at social cues, you can understand it if you look at it closely.
Well the majority are going to be town, right?Uh slick, you just called nearly everyone town or null sans Ryker.
Can you explain your Ryker scum-read more? Also why is everyone forgetting Delly posted he'd be V/LA yet keep throwing him into the "lynch pile".
Yikes.
Of course he could have voiced concerns in private with the mod about this and could just be worried about it in a mafia-theory fairness sense, too.
I read it several times. I was hoping you'd bring it up. Thanks for the segway.Read the end of the first post instead of cherry picking.
To which you responded, backpedaling:Okay, I'm still just gonna play Street Fighter instead of mafia tonight, but are you seriously pushing that? The end of that paragraph makes me feel like you aren't, but if you aren't, why did you bring it up?
Which is it? Your strongest statements implied that it was a scummy thing to do.I don't give a **** about your mechanical play. I'm voting you because your Ryu push is bad. And to answer yours and Ryker's questions, no I am not seriously pushing you for what you said about liking posts.
If I misinterpreted Maven's post then that's my bad and I agree with the sentiment if it's about playing as scum.
I believe I explained my issues with his overall post habits in my original case against him. It wasn't any one post that contained the entirety of my case.Also Dastrn if you're going to drill people for inadequate English at least spell segue correctly.
Tell me why Ryu asking questions is a problem. Is it not okay to have no strong reads and make an active effort to fix that? How is what he is doing worse than anyone else who is doing less than him?