Tranquility - Game Over

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Possible but I really doubt it at this point with how she has played approached this.

Laundry night kill makes either Shen wanted the kill to prove himself or scum wanted him dead cause he's played damn well and was cleared. I find the later more likely.

 

[Kantrip]

Possible but I really doubt it at this point with how she has played approached this.

Laundry night kill makes either Shen wanted the kill to prove himself or scum wanted him dead cause he's played damn well and was cleared. I find the later more likely.

Why can't these go together?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

They "can" I just don't think it is.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

You see "making Nabe square off against me" and I see "giving Nabe an excuse to vote me." I don't see how this is squaring off in any way but like I said I'm down to wait and see how it plays out.

"giving nabe an excuse to vote you"

what the **** does this even mean potato? why would i feel the need to give my partner an excuse to vote you?

its "squaring off" cuz if nabe votes you like i want and there is no alpha strike soon that means THAT AT LEAST ONE OF YOU TWO MUST BE SCUM and town would know for sure to narrow it down between yall. this is the EXACT opposite of keeping nabe at arms length and is actually me tryna throw him into the lions den with you

 

[Kantrip]

Well why don't you get me to vote Nabe? I don't see why you want Nabe on me and not the other way around. Giving your partner a reason to lay a vote down makes it easier to alpha if any townie also joins the wagon.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

cuz youre here and at least trying. do you not agree that placing the burden on coasty nabe at the games most important phase may be somewhat telling not only of him but how others approach it?

 

[Kantrip]

cuz youre here and at least trying. do you not agree that placing the burden on coasty nabe at the games most important phase may be somewhat telling not only of him but how others approach it?

That's fair. I'll let it take its course

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ YOLOSWAG

Lynch Nabe toDay? y/n?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@ #HBC | Nabe

reread or youre voting potato and we will see if scum alpha strikes in that situation (they wont) and im forcing this game between you two. youre reading me as town and even voted with me yesterday on shenani so you have zero reason to deny my plan. if you take issue with this say so but do it soon cuz theres no reason to drag this longer than need be

"You think I'm town" =/= "You could only possibly be cool with forcing the game between the two of you". Settle down.

I'm not coasting. I will be here a few hours from now to reread Gheb's points on Kantrip, then to reread Kantrip.

The player who is coasting is Soup, and unless this reread is surprisingly compelling, that is where my vote is going to be toDay.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm not playing this game for you. Read his posts and tell me what you think.

The original point of the question was convincing me on your Kantrip point-of-view. I don't know what's changed in your read on me between most of yesterDay, when I was a solid null on whom you were challenging other peoples' scumreads, to the end of that Day and now, when I am suddenly on the docket for you with no explanation as to why.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

wat

The part of the hydra that still exists and is still busy.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Votecount 4:1

Shenanigenius [0] -
Red_Antoine [0] -
soup [0] -
Potassium [0] -
Gheb_01 [0] -
YOLOSWAG [0] -
Nabe [0] -

Not voting [7] - Shenanigenius, Red_Antoine, soup, Potassium, Gheb_01, YOLOSWAG, Nabe

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is 11.59PM GMT, Saturday 25th January 2014

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[#HBC | Nabe]

Are you kidding me right now

Do you want me to tell you why I'm not scum

or tell you who is?

Cuz from my experience everyone always says "10% of why youre not scum and 90% of who is"

so the 10% is I'm not scum cuz there is nothing on my slot that i haven't refuted and think the case is a crock of ****

and the 90% is what I've been saying that now you're telling me to stop

kay so
can we just

Vote: Soup
would also accept Shen (please)

I really
really
don't
care enough
to read these posts again
only to come to the same conclusion
I don't care about Kantrip at all
I agreed with most of his posts
he was chill D1, and got less so later, but always seemed to have understandable motivations

soup's case wasn't meaningful
Gheb won't give me a direction and is generally being pissy
and marshy is just lynching through the player list

I would like to see more of Kantrip toDay
but the three of you have your asses on your heads

 

[Kantrip]

*holds breath*

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Not voting til I see everyone post once.

 

[Shenanigenius]

The part of the hydra that still exists and is still busy.

I think we meant: "Wat" as in, "Your slot hasn't claimed anything yet so how could you be backing anything up"

 

[Shenanigenius]

I am from this hydra and I can confirm that is what I meant

 

[YOLOSWAG]

Assuming shenan and Ruy are town we're left with

Potassium
YOLO
Gheb
soup
Nabe

and everyone will obviously exclude themselves.

I stand by the following:

YOLO =/= Gheb
soup =/= YOLO
soup =/= Gheb

I literally cannot make a scumteam that is feasible in my eyes with these players due to these disconnects. I tried looking back at why I concluded those connections couldn't exist and I still feel the same about them.

We need to stop giving shenan a pass now. He claimed a convenient roleblock and Laundry died, leaving him alive. I don't think it's possible that shenan is legit and Ruy is a godfather because that would mean scum has a godfather and a roleblocker in this incredibly simple setup. YOLO said it earlier, but it's possible that an Innocent Child was this setup's replacement for an investigative role. If we consider shenan as a possible scummer once more, I can build some teams that look feasible to me.

soup + shenan + Nabe
shenan + Nabe + Gheb
Nabe + YOLO + shenan

In other words, the team is shenan + Nabe + soup/Gheb/YOLO

Of the three possible teams, I think shenan + Nabe + YOLO is most likely. YOLO is the slot of those three that have bugged me the most. soup's recent play looks really bad but I can't put scum intent on it. On the contrary, it actually looks like he's trying but he's just really lost in this game. I do still dislike Gheb, but it mostly stems from his case on me which obviously means I could be letting the fact that he doesn't like me cloud my vision. It bothers me that both Gheb and YOLO are alive in LyLo which makes me feel like one of them has to be scum. The connection between YOLO and Nabe still bothers me, where YOLO held Nabe at arms-length a great portion of the game, disliking him and sometimes sitting a vote on him, but never making any push to get him lynched. Whenever another wagon arrived, YOLO hopped off Nabe to join that wagon. YOLO was also the only one at the time of shenan claiming to say "don't give him a pass" but I don't see him reconsidering on shenan now that it's LyLo. This doesn't line up for me. I think I've got the team here. I dislike them all individually and can see things connecting them.

I want to lynch shenan or Nabe.

ruy wuddya think of this post?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wait he calls Shen town then concludes to not give him a free pass and he is scum?

Dislike that post more.

I don't like it Marshy, I feel like it's reaching fur a reason to lynch Shen when at this point he's probably town. Yolo and Nabe teams make me scratch my head a bit.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The Soup part is also really odd, I'm not sure why he would be a-ok with Soup given how he played yesturday.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

similarly im not sure why as scum hed give soup a pass. thats something id be all over as scum

man i wish wed lynched shenani when he was on the chopping block. at worst wedve gotten another guaranteed clear. i agree with potatos assertion that the game/teams makes more sense with him as scum but i dunno if im overthinking this ****

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nabe making toDay a 50/50 situation with that vote?

Gheb won't give me a direction and is generally keeping it too real for me

Fixed

But seriously, how am I being "pissy"? I've asked you to read Kantrip and form an opinion on him like 3 times since yesterDay. If you just don't care about him that's one thing but I won't give you pointers on how to read him cuz that's exactly the thing I have asked of you.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ѕoup

Get in here.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Man, I just realized how much @Omni would love to play activity police with the new tagging feature <_<

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

But seriously, how am I being "pissy"? I've asked you to read Kantrip and form an opinion on him like 3 times since yesterDay. If you just don't care about him that's one thing but I won't give you pointers on how to read him cuz that's exactly the thing I have asked of you.

The original point of the question was convincing me on your Kantrip point-of-view. I don't know what's changed in your read on me between most of yesterDay, when I was a solid null on whom you were challenging other peoples' scumreads, to the end of that Day and now, when I am suddenly on the docket for you with no explanation as to why.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm here, and I've been here. I seen Nabe's vote and I don't really how to react to it but with the lack of alpha I can only assume that Nabe is making a move on me as I don't see who else could have possibly sat around and not seen the opportunity as scum to finish off the game.

Kantplay, why do you think Shen is scum?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Nevermind, I see potato's argument. I think it's plausible and would make sense to be honest, I knew it would come down to this either way.

I don't honestly know what input I could involve seeing how I'm in a position where I vote Nabe on the premise he's scum with a lack of alpha or I hold to Nabe/YOLO being aligned. I'm pretty certain this isn't ScumTrip at the moment and I've been under that impression for awhile now. I was concerned about being wrong on Ryu honestly and I'm quite nervous. In a way I kinda just wanted to accept getting alpha'd and not majorly **** things up but I know it doesn't work that way.

Nabe, I'm not mafia, but tell me what you think of the lack of alpha on me? Tell me who my team is based on your point of view at the moment.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So Nabe or Soup since everyone posted at least once? Or both if this is a bus.

I don't like either at this point but I wonder if I am wrong on either not being scum. I want Soup more than Nabe really bad, also Soup didn't vote back so not sure about that either.

I think Soup is the better play, but I wanna reread this when I'm not packing up and leaving a hotel room.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I feel like the assumption and playing it off like scum is going to alpha is wrong. Can Nabe be scum? Yeah. I think he is but I'm more interested in what Kantplay thinks about all this, and also I want more about what he thinks about shen. I suppose something also in the back of my mind is also some stupid setup speculation but I doubt it will get us anywhere. I think scum making a full-blown effort to alpha all together is unlikely because it's like all of them can be around at once. We could have alpha'd earlier in Luigi's (and I was nervous about wrapping the game up there) but we couldn't set it up so I don't like assuming anything.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

anyone hav an idea when kev gets back from apex? i wanna hear from him before voting but if he wont be here til like deadline ill just do it myself

lookin at ruy here

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Today he should be heading back like I am, so it should be today.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ #HBC | Nabe

I don't want to convince you of my position on Kantrip, I just wanna know yours.

 

[Shenanigenius]

reading

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm here, and I've been here. I seen Nabe's vote and I don't really how to react to it but with the lack of alpha I can only assume that Nabe is making a move on me as I don't see who else could have possibly sat around and not seen the opportunity as scum to finish off the game.

Though I actually approve of you not directly counter-voting Nabe, I'd like to know why you chose to not do it. Especially with the line of reasoning you're providing here I would've expected it.

I feel like the assumption and playing it off like scum is going to alpha is wrong.

Why? Your post explains only why they haven't done so yet but not why they wouldn't do it at all [which is what you seem to imply when you say that it's a "wrong" assumption to make]. I'd definitely prefer @ #HBC | Nabe to unvote but if he doesn't do it after a while and there still isn't an alpha-strike the only logical conclusion I could draw is that either one or both of you have to be scum. I don't see what's "wrong" with that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Regarding shenan I don't think anybody has given him a "free pass". He'll definitely need to contribute more actively, especially if he keeps on claiming roleblocked but other than Yolo we've all agreed yesterDay that shenan doesn't take top priority. I still think he doesn't. If he is scum and pulled out a bluff then he'll probably have to be the final nail in their coffin because we have two other scumbags to find and they can't just all have claims as solid as his. I also don't think that a team of soup / Kantrip / shenan is as likely as soup / Kantrip / Nabe. If anything, I'm actually a bit more worried about Ryu being GF or Traitor because of how he's been handling Kantrip and he hasn't made a whole lot of sense toDay either imo.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait he calls Shen town then concludes to not give him a free pass and he is scum?

Dislike that post more.

I don't like it Marshy, I feel like it's reaching fur a reason to lynch Shen when at this point he's probably town. Yolo and Nabe teams make me scratch my head a bit.

You're not understanding what I was saying. I operated under the assumption that shen was town at the begnining to prove my point that I couldn't make any teams so I could explain why I don't think that's a correct assumption.

The Soup part is also really odd, I'm not sure why he would be a-ok with Soup given how he played yesturday.

Because I can't fit him on a team, like I said. But I'm not a-okay with him. I think his play is garbage but I don't think he's scum.

I'm here, and I've been here. I seen Nabe's vote and I don't really how to react to it but with the lack of alpha I can only assume that Nabe is making a move on me as I don't see who else could have possibly sat around and not seen the opportunity as scum to finish off the game.

Kantplay, why do you think Shen is scum?

Because I can't think of any scumteam that makes sense without him on it.

Nevermind, I see potato's argument. I think it's plausible and would make sense to be honest, I knew it would come down to this either way.

I don't honestly know what input I could involve seeing how I'm in a position where I vote Nabe on the premise he's scum with a lack of alpha or I hold to Nabe/YOLO being aligned. I'm pretty certain this isn't ScumTrip at the moment and I've been under that impression for awhile now. I was concerned about being wrong on Ryu honestly and I'm quite nervous. In a way I kinda just wanted to accept getting alpha'd and not majorly **** things up but I know it doesn't work that way.

Nabe, I'm not mafia, but tell me what you think of the lack of alpha on me? Tell me who my team is based on your point of view at the moment.

Ruy being scum would be really weird because it would mean one of two things that I don't see as being possible:

1. Scum has a godfather AND a roleblocker; shenan is town.
2. shenan faked an innocent result on his partner; shenan is scum

The first doesn't match with the simple set-up and I sincerely doubt it's the case, the second is just really risky and connects shenan and Ruy even more than they already are this game through the way they have defended each other.

So Nabe or Soup since everyone posted at least once? Or both if this is a bus.

I don't like either at this point but I wonder if I am wrong on either not being scum. I want Soup more than Nabe really bad, also Soup didn't vote back so not sure about that either.

I think Soup is the better play, but I wanna reread this when I'm not packing up and leaving a hotel room.

I really think you're tunneling soup. Can you find people that work on a team with him?

@ ~ Gheb ~ - You think I am scum with Nabe and soup? You think Nabe voted his partner in LyLo? Oh man you confuse me this game with your stances.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Can you spell out what about how I handled Kantrip worries you?

I think how he flips on Shen is really weird and how he seems to rationalize town Soup at this point.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You're not understanding what I was saying. I operated under the assumption that shen was town at the begnining to prove my point that I couldn't make any teams so I could explain why I don't think that's a correct assumption.


Because I can't fit him on a team, like I said. But I'm not a-okay with him. I think his play is garbage but I don't think he's scum.


Because I can't think of any scumteam that makes sense without him on it.


Ruy being scum would be really weird because it would mean one of two things that I don't see as being possible:

1. Scum has a godfather AND a roleblocker; shenan is town.
2. shenan faked an innocent result on his partner; shenan is scum

The first doesn't match with the simple set-up and I sincerely doubt it's the case, the second is just really risky and connects shenan and Ruy even more than they already are this game through the way they have defended each other.


I really think you're tunneling soup. Can you find people that work on a team with him?

@ ~ Gheb ~ - You think I am scum with Nabe and soup? You think Nabe voted his partner in LyLo? Oh man you confuse me this game with your stances.

Roleblocked + Godfather can make sense, or could on a mass claim, partly why I wanted this. It would confirm how simple or not simple this set-up is but whatever.

I'm not tunneling Soup, or I would have voted him right when this day started. I still think he is scum.

I'm still thinking about how Nabe has handled you.

Nabe + Soup is likely, Nabe busing makes sense at this juncture and he hasn't made me feel better with how he handles you right here. I'm all for Nabe unvoting though, it would mean one or both of them are scum at the very least.

I don't get how his day 4 makes you think town, it really made me 180 my reconsideration that Koops asked me to look into. The third member is the odd one, and not easy to pin down who I think it would be.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Kantrip while I think Shen is an out there maybe, if he is I massively misread that slot. I think Soup/Nabe is the better juncture right now since there was no alpha when Nabe voted.

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip while I think Shen is an out there maybe, if he is I massively misread that slot. I think Soup/Nabe is the better juncture right now since there was no alpha when Nabe voted.

It wouldn't be the first time.

Listen, I know you're paranoid about soup and don't understand how I can possibly townread him but I do. At this point a team of Nabe + shenan + YOLO or Nabe + shenan + Gheb just makes way more sense.

Anyways, now that we've had the Day reduced to a Nabe or soup lynch, I say we lynch Nabe of the two. You can agree with that at least, yes?