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To me, cloud looks like a faster ike if Ike was also little mac. He's got so many tools and all of which look functionally different to his meta game than Ike's or Marth's. A projectile, a cancelable combo up b, a shulk enhancement like mode. But oh, he has a sword. Immedietly uninspired and exactly like Meta-Ike-Marth-Shulk-etc.
), so they don't complain. But when they see ,,,,... "hurr durr that guy is using a sword, and the other guy too, this game is garbage"
Nah that is quite literally this topic. Anyone who ever complains "oh look another anime swordfighter" is angry that their waifu and/or Waluigi didn't make it in over an actually relevant character.
So less than 1/10 of the roster is a swordsman.
Yeah that bugs me, too. Strangely enough, though, the counter is relevant to them. Real head scratcher, right?
I'll ignore the Marth/Roy thing because I know people base clones on how they look/how their moves look and not how they play (for some reason), but I am not about to let that Ike thing slide. If you honestly believe that Ike isn't a flying leap from Marth or Roy, perhaps you should pick up Ike. Tell me how that turns out for you.
Excuse me sir, first off you ignored some stuff in my post and secondly I meant more in the kinds of moves they do, not in how they play.
would be a clone so...
Ike does pretty good with his dancing blade knockoff, shield breaker, and feared fair to dair string that carried him in melee but has since been removed, huh?I said:
Take my votes. Take all my votes.
But like I said, I'm not comparing how they play but by how similar the moves look. If you want to use Ike's awesome melee combos so bad like it's the greatest thing ever then just play melee instead of randomly inserting them in a conversation that has nothing to do with Melee.
Reyn kind of uses a giant sword arm thing. Fiora uses two swords. I think it's safe to say that the only characters who get to be playable in Smash from Fire Emblem are the ones who you get game over when they die, and my apologies to Hector, that means only Ephraim is a viable character who doesn't use a sword.
I hear the talk but I don't see the proof to back it up. All I see is a picture of Link you made in MS Paint.
Ike's. Moves. Bear. No. Similarities. To. Marth's.
Alright, tell me. Which moves, other than the counter, does Ike share with Marth? Which ones?
His neural b is a charging move that can't be stored and actually shares a little more in common with Roy than Marth. The other moves are legitimately different. Although both Marth and Ike's up B rise super fast, Ike just waits a bit before joining. Off the topic of specials, his fsmash is a slower version of Marth's, dsmash is also just a slower version as well, possibly others as well but I don't know the moves off the top of my head.
So rising fast means a move is similar? Mario rises pretty fast with his up-b, is he similar to Marth too? Stop reaching.
Wait! Mario is an Ike clone?
Just because one move is similar doesn't mean that the character is the same. I said Ike is kinda like Marth in terms of moves and you are all acting like I think they are the same person.
Well I'm glad you agree Ike isn't all that similar to Marth then.
Gameplay is the most important though. Ike is not Marth, is not Metaknight, Is not Shulk. Everyone who isn't a direct clone has their own gameplay style that lots of players love. If there was no distinct difference between Metaknight and Ike I'd be right on board on the anti-swordsman campaign. But Ike it a large heavy hiter, Marth is momentum controller, Meta-knight is a methodical speed demon, Shulk has his Sweet multi-form gimmick and Cloud Is a mixture of a lot of character's best qualities with all his moves being visual references.
That's not what I said at all and you know it. Marth and Ike share multiple moves that have similar range (respectively), have similar animations, and both are from the same game universe so yeah I think Ike is somewhat a copy of Marth but in the same way Ganondorf is a copy of Captain Falcon.
People say Falco and Fox are clones but when you go into gameplay they are very different. When people talk of clones they talk about the look of the move not how it's used.
So does little Mac. So does Ness/Lucas. So does Diddy. Guess they're all Marth clones too.
Man, guess that means game&watch was secretly a marth clone. I knew fire was created from dolphin slash.
Holy **** have you ever played this character, ever.
Is... Is that actually true?
Wow how could I be so wrong. Thank you Xermo for opening my eyes. I see now that all characters are clones of Marth. No wonder why everyone complains about too many sword characters. They are the same as Marth. Mario? Marth with a fireball. Luigi? Marth with a green fireball. Donkey Kong? Marth wearing a tie. It's all so clear now. They need to make a character that has no ties to Marth what-so-ever.
,,,,,and are similar just because they have a similar Dair,, and have the same back throw. ,, and and charge shot Neutral B,, similar up B and ,and have similar upB
I laughed so much reading this. I'm glad you got good wit about you and aren't taking this too seriously. You put a genuine smile on my face.
Rofl
A huge emphasis I've noticed, has been put on swordsmen for this game. With the exception of Meta Knight, the rest all have counter or counter-like moves. Ike, Marth, and Lucina all share the same counter attack. Supposedly as I've read, Cloud will play similar to Shulk (kinda reminds me of Shulk, just the Monodo Sword and beach boy charm are absent) with a final smash like Ike's.
K. Rool is lame, Wolf isn't new, and Issac is another sword-wielder so that's not gonna change anything.
