Super Smash Bros Uprising = good or bad?

[JabbatheHutt]

This is to unclutter the discussion in the Miiverse Thread.
Everyone I'm sur eis now adhere of the KI Uprising upheaval this game is getting.

Lets quote some statistics:

Kid Icarus:
15 Smash Run Enemies
6 items
2 characters
2 stages
2 Assist Trophies
Possible Dark Pit Reveal

Donkey Kong:
2 characters

Let that sink in. Just let it sink in.

Thoughts?

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I don't have a problem with it to be honest. Only when Pit's face is plastered everywhere is when I will say KIU is over saturating SSB4.

 

[Hayzie]

I can only reserve my judgment until I know EVERYTHING.

Donkey Kong, 3-4 characters.

Dixie required.

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't really care if Uprising gets a load of representation, because Uprising is one of the best handheld games I have ever played. It deserves all of the attention it can get.

 

[Stalkos]

Well Brawl had a ton of kirby representation, even to the point of the kirby characters being the protagonists of Subspace Emissary, and I didn't saw nobody calling it Super Smash Bros SuperStar.

My guess is, it's too early, and Sakurai must enjoy show the things he like, and obviously he like the games he worked on. The other reps will have their weight. Give it time.

 

[ShizChiz]

It seems the consensus of overrepresentation changes every now and then. Last week was "too much Mario" and now its back to Kid Icarus.

It's a cop out answer, but we don't know everything yet, especially with the Wii U version. I'd save overrep as a hindsight debate once everything is known.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't mind. Another dragoon type item is fine with me, as is a turret, and a club. I could care less about enemy distribution.

I would like to call out the bias in the quote in the OP though.

"Kid Icarus:
15 Smash Run Enemies
6 items
2 characters
2 stages
2 Assist Trophies
Possible Dark Pit Reveal

Donkey Kong:
2 characters"

Donkey Kong has a stage; Jungle Japes. Sure it's a past stage, but it's worth mentioning, because it counts. There are also the Kremlings (which people make a huge deal about) and the tiki things as Smash run enemies. I can understand wanting more Donkey Kong representation, but lying? Please.

FIX PLEASE

 

[Octillus]

Honestly, Uprising and Fire Emblem Awakening both did so well and were not traditionally hyper successful franchises - which is why they're getting a little extra love this time around. And why not? Outside of Smash there has really been no outpouring of celebration for these franchises very important to the Big N.

DK gets a little roped in with Mario, and that sucks as it deserves a bit more representation, but other than that - Metroid is the only other series that gets short shrift, and that's just kinda how it goes generally

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Much like I said in the thread, this isn't a problem to me as long as it doesn't make Kid Icarus-series trump rest of Nintendo-franchises in means of garnering spotlight, thanks to Uprising. Uprising and SSB4 are also both Sakurai's projects which means he knows best how the elements from his games fit together or be implemented interchangeably.

Also, I just prefer now to separate Sakurai's own creations and concepts from what used to be in the original KI-lore so to not lose what made Kid Icarus to be pre-Brawl and time before Uprising so as to make the bias feel more justified.

 

[ChikoLad]

Metroid is the only other series that gets short shrift, and that's just kinda how it goes generally

"And welcome back, Captain Falcon!! When are you ever getting a new game of your own?"

 

[simpleglitch]

I think DK could use some love, but I don't have a problem with whats been added from KI. Besides, there is still more content to be revealed.

Also if you want to be real technical, Star Fox only has one confirmed Character so far (and one stage? I can't remember)...

 

[Datdashtho]

Sakurai said he had smash bros in mind when makin uprising. Thats why theres the items.

 

[D-idara]

:/ Kid Icarus: Uprising haters flooding the boards? No one cares, all the KI Items so far have been awesome, and Sakurai himself stated that he designed most of the things on KI: Uprising with Smash in mind.

 

[Octillus]

"And welcome back, Captain Falcon!! When are you ever getting a new game of your own?"

Until it happens, F-Zero is a series in stasis... Might as well be Ice Climber...

 

[ChikoLad]

Until it happens, F-Zero is a series in stasis... Might as well be Ice Climber...

...But it's still a franchise getting the short end of the stick, like Metroid.

And I very much consider Ice Climbers to be a one-time game. Not really much more you can do with that game besides give it a HD upgrade.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Yeah, I think it's a bit overkill.

I get that Uprising is Sakurai's pride and joy, but all the KI representation is only from Uprising, which is but one game in a series of three.

Also the majority of new items added are all from Mario, Zelda and Kid Icarus: Uprising. How about some love for some of the other series? Heck; Fire Emblem may have four characters right now, but it's lacking in Smash Run enemies and items and there's plenty of legendary weapons in that series.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I greatly approve of all the Kid Icarus goodness, and it's not bias on my end really. While I do wish other franchises like Metroid and Donkey Kong get more stuff, maybe they'll be revealed later. I mean it took a long time for a Starfox stage to be revealed, right? So maybe they're cooking up something for other franchises to be shown.

I admit I miss the Barrel Cannon item, though.

Also, I remember all Kid Icarus had in Brawl was Skyworld, Pit for characters, 4 trophies (Pit, Palutena, Palutena Bow, and Pit's Final Smash), and a few stickers. DK and Metroid had much more than KI back then.
Like I said, give em time.

 

[ChikoLad]

These whole "such and such a thing has too much representation" topics really bug me, because they ignore the fact that there are only so much time and resources that can be put into a game.

I'm sure if Sakurai could, he would put in a lot more things from other franchises (or he'd only put in Fire Emblem stuff because he's a ridiculously big fan of that franchise - he even hijacked an Iwata Asks interview for Shadow Dragon, I believe!).

But at the end of the day, there's only so much he can do, so he does what he thinks will be most appreciated, or does what actually adds to the experience.

It's no secret that Sakurai takes cues from his other works when making Smash Bros, and I'm honestly glad he does it. The Kirby franchise and Kid Icarus: Uprising have so much they can add to Smash even from just taking inspiration from their gameplay features, and ignoring the franchise specific elements like characters and items.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Who cares.
I'm not going to play on Palutena's temple, use items anyways, or play Smash run.

Might as well be:

Kid Icarus :

Donkey Kong:

Even Steven in my eyes.

 

[Aureola]

I actually love the representation. Uprising is one of my favorite games, and it has a lot that could be put in. Considering how it didn't have much representation in Brawl, you could say it's making up for that.

Do I think other franchises are underrepresented? Yes. Do I think all this Uprising stuff is hurting their chances? Not really. Some series don't have all that much to add to Smash Bros. For example, Fire Emblem. Uprising has more characters that fit into something like Smash Run then it does.

 

[Dinoman96]

As I said in another thread, I think this is all a rather practical way for Sakurai to easily add more content.

It could be argued that Uprising is essentially an easy resource mine for Sakurai. He's stated that the process of adding and designing characters and such usually involve their respective creators and their approval. But considering KIU is Sakurai's thing, there's not much stress or complications adding content from that game.

 

[JoeInky]

I don't particularly like it. I enjoyed KI:U thoroughly, but KI getting another character whilst DK and Metroid still haven't is annoying.

 

[Dinoman96]

I don't particularly like it. I enjoyed KI:U thoroughly, but KI getting another character whilst DK and Metroid still haven't is annoying.

I agree about the lack of a third DK character, but I can't say I blame Sakurai for thinking Metroid doesn't particularly have any other noteworthy or viable/feasible characters for Smash, especially when he already came up with Zero Suit Samus in an attempt to fill the "Other playable Metroid character besides Samus" niche.

 

[Raijinken]

KI's representation seems fair (We've got like a million Mario things after all, fine for another series to have some). Underrepresentation of other series' is the bigger issue.

Black Shadow plz.

 

[el_profe]

How about Super Smash Pokemon? That game has way more representation than Icarus.

 

[GunGunW]

Yeah, it's getting ridiculous. But it's only painfully obvious to those who dislike Kid Icarus and Pit's annoying fat face but.... meh, I'm not gonna play devil's advocate. It's just annoying.

 

[Maxoxpower]

There is a fast and nice comparison from the nice smash bros miiverse :

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/series/kid-icarus

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/series/donkey-kong

 

[Deleted member]

There is a fast and nice comparison from the nice smash bros miiverse :

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/series/kid-icarus

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/series/donkey-kong

I like this comparison far better, because it actually lists all the Donkey Kong content in the game; not just the characters. I also forgot about the hammer, spring, and banana

 

[Aguki90]

Im not gonna lie but "Super Smash Bros. Uprising" sound more awesome than "Super Smash Bros. WiiU/3DS".

I'm ok that Kid Icarus is overepresent. Two character, one big ass stage and one medium in 3DS, 15 enemies in smash run and two assist trophies.

The items from uprising are even more unique and useful than most zelda one. There a Turret items, a one shot items, a CLUB, a Shield, badass X Bomb and Ultra Firing MAH laser gun, Daybreak<--best item they can put.
Even the poqer like laser, explosive flames and heavinly light can be use even in Smash Run.

But to me, Pokemon always be over represent, sometime is even unfair the one who gets in and sometime ther are fair, is confusing...

 

[Superyoshiom]

I think I've mentioned this before, but I just don't get why Sakurai is exerting so much Kid Icarus bias, when he never had that much Kirby bias. I'm gonna say because this game and Uprising were developed at very similar times, and the developers wanted to be lazy.

 

[Bassoonist]

I need to see the rest of the game's content before I can really judge, but right now I'm leaning toward "OVERKILL" and I have been since Palutena was confirmed. Her addition is stretching it... Now they're REALLY stretching it.

But just as long as other franchises get fairer representation AND there isn't a third KI character added, I will be okay.

 

[Admiral Pit]

There's also something else to consider which probably doesn't mean much. Remember DK and Metroid have been around since the first Smash which is a plus to them, while KI began in Brawl (if you don't count Pit's melee trophy).

While it is true KI is getting a ton of stuff, again, the game isn't finished yet, so I'm sure DK and Metroid will get something else. It doesn't even have to be characters. It could be more stages or something, so don't always look at it as a bad thing. Then again, not all franchises can deliver a lot of things, which was why KI was at the bottom of the stick in Brawl, prior to Uprising, but what do I know?

 

[ChikoLad]

Why shouldn't Kid Icarus: Uprising get this representation anyway? It has so many elements that just mesh well with Smash. That point about it being easier to add Uprising stuff because Sakurai actually made it is also perfectly valid.

 

[Aureola]

There's a really good point about it could be considered Super Smash Pokèmon for 3DS/WiiU...

I'll give you the point on Donkey Kong, but out of sheer curiosity, can you name more stuff that could be added from, say, Metroid or Pikmin? Ridley does not count. Think of anyone else.

 

[Giga Man]

It doesn't bother me. I absolutely loved Kid Icarus: Uprising, and I recommend it to everyone.

 

[Little_GotenSRK]

Sakurai's game, sooo let it happen.

 

[Leonyx]

There's a really good point about it could be considered Super Smash Pokèmon for 3DS/WiiU...

This is a good point. Smash Bros has always been more represented by Pokemon than anything else really, with the pokeballs (the original assist trophy), more Pokemon characters than any other in Brawl if you consider Pokemon Trainer more than one character, normally represented by at least two stages, etc. Sure, you could argue that Pokemon has a ton of characters/items to draw from, but couldn't you say the same about Kid Icarus? I suppose the only real argument I could bring against putting so much Kid Icarus in the game is that it hasn't sold nearly as much as Pokemon, but neither has Fire Emblem, and they have equal representation in characters so far.

 

[Deleted member]

can you name more stuff that could be added from, say, Metroid? Ridley does not count. Think of anyone else.

 

[Frank Weast]

This is his game and he did create Kid icarus, also the weapons look absolutely awesome

 

[iamgenderqueer]