Meta SSB4 Falco Matchup Discussion 51 - Mii Swordfighter - Bread & Butter (Knife)

[Ffamran]

Welcome to the Mii Swordfighter matchup discussion.

All credit goes to Quas-quas for the original images.​

Here's a link to the main post: SSB4 Falco Matchup Discussion - Main Post. This will be more for general matchup discussions like making a suggestion and such. Or, you could head over to the social thread and ask there: Where We Prefer The Air And The Points Don't Matter!. Or PM me if you really have to, but don't make a habit out of it.

Oh, and if you guys and girls want to play each other to have fun or learn about the MU, check out the NNID and FC sharing thread on the Falco boards: http://smashboards.com/threads/anyone-want-to-exchange-nnids-or-friend-codes.386513/.

There's also the regular NNID and FC sharing threads in the Online discussion if you just want to ask anyone to play.

Notice: Some rules, guidelines, and tips. Some of these are a given since you joined any forum.

1. Be respectful of each other. No insults, no trolling, no flaming, or any of that nonsense.
2. Be aware that some of the discussions can and will be old, so don't call out someone for "wrong" data if that post was referring to say, patch 1.0.3 stuff.
3. Be impartial; learn to see things from other sides. So, don't boast about all the advantages. Notice weaknesses and strengths from both parties.
4. Stay on topic.
5. Have fun.

And here is a frame speed ranking of their regular attacks and grabs - no Specials yet, sorry - to clear up on things since sometimes a move may feel slow, but it's actually fast and vice versa. Plus more information doesn't always hurt. Data from http://sixriver.web.fc2.com/ssb4/Character_data.htm - just search for Miiファイター 剣術 - and the Complete Hitbox/Frame Data For Every Character thread.

As of patch 1.1.4.

Move Hit Frames||
Jab|2-4, 10-12, 17-21, 22-26, 27-31, 32-36, (infinite), 41-42|6-7, 15-16, 25-29
Dash Attack|8-11 or 12-19|9-11 or 12-18
Ftilt|6-8|11-13
Utilt|5-9, 12-16|8-12
Dtilt|7-9|5-6
Side Smash|17-19 or 20-20|16-18
Up Smash|7-12, 13-20|11-11, 14-14, 20-20, 26-26
Down Smash|7-9|7-8 or 15-16
Nair|3-5, 6-9, 14-17, 21-24|11-24
Fair|10-13, 14-17, 18-21, 22-25, 26-27, 28-29|11-11, 16-16, 21-21
Bair|4-5 or 6-11|8-9
Uair|7-11|11-13, 14-23
Dair|16-19 or 20-31|14-37
Grab|8-9|6-7
Dash Grab|10-11|8-9
Pivot Grab|11-12|9-10

 

[Antonykun]

99% sure this tittle was made just to grab my attention it worked
Btw Swordfighter's jab and nair are a few frame faster with the lucas patch
from experience Falco is really really annoying to play against as Swordfighter all versions of him get outbuttoned by falco regardless of range and speed modifications. and Falco has the power to suddenly convert 5 million damage off an anything (granted it goes both ways as Swordfighter can deal a crapton of damage with the right starter) Swordfighter is force to play super slowly to take advantage of falco's slow mobility and not get overwhelmed

Gale strike in neutral is just begging to be reflected Shuriken of light can't really be used liberally either instead you use them to limit falco's already limited recovery. Getting a Fast fall d-air into footstool is a death sentence in wall less stages like lylat. This is sort of universal anti Swordfighter stuff but DON'T ever let yourself get hit/trade with U-air that is a 16% damage dealing move of death Its better you take a D-air hit from airdodging the potential U-air. F-smash, I think, outranges most of Falco's stuff and a frame 16 its just fast enough to take advantage of the opponent not expecting it. I' pretty sure falco is mostly immune to jab canceled Hero's spin