Meta SSB4 Falco Matchup Discussion 50 - Mii Gunner - The Good, The Bad and The Falco

[Ffamran]

Welcome to the Mii Gunner matchup discussion.

All credit goes to Quas-quas for the original images.​

Here's a link to the main post: SSB4 Falco Matchup Discussion - Main Post. This will be more for general matchup discussions like making a suggestion and such. Or, you could head over to the social thread and ask there: Where We Prefer The Air And The Points Don't Matter!. Or PM me if you really have to, but don't make a habit out of it.

Oh, and if you guys and girls want to play each other to have fun or learn about the MU, check out the NNID and FC sharing thread on the Falco boards: http://smashboards.com/threads/anyone-want-to-exchange-nnids-or-friend-codes.386513/.

There's also the regular NNID and FC sharing threads in the Online discussion if you just want to ask anyone to play.

Notice: Some rules, guidelines, and tips. Some of these are a given since you joined any forum.

1. Be respectful of each other. No insults, no trolling, no flaming, or any of that nonsense.
2. Be aware that some of the discussions can and will be old, so don't call out someone for "wrong" data if that post was referring to say, patch 1.0.3 stuff.
3. Be impartial; learn to see things from other sides. So, don't boast about all the advantages. Notice weaknesses and strengths from both parties.
4. Stay on topic.
5. Have fun.

And here is a frame speed ranking of their regular attacks and grabs - no Specials yet, sorry - to clear up on things since sometimes a move may feel slow, but it's actually fast and vice versa. Plus more information doesn't always hurt. Data from http://sixriver.web.fc2.com/ssb4/Character_data.htm - just search for Miiファイター 射撃 - and the Complete Hitbox/Frame Data For Every Character thread.

As of patch 1.1.4.

Move Hit Frames||
Jab|2-4, 10-12, 17-21, 22-26, 27-31, 32-36, (infinite), 41-42|5-6, 16-17, 21-23, 28-29
Dash Attack|8-11 or 12-19|10-14
Ftilt|6-8|10-11 or 12-13 or 14-15
Utilt|5-9, 12-16|5-5 or 6-9
Dtilt|7-9|8-10
Side Smash|17-19 or 20-20|17-38, 40-40
Up Smash|7-12, 13-20|11-12, 15-16, 19-20, 23-24, 27-28
Down Smash|7-9|9-9, 23-25
Nair|3-5, 6-9, 14-17, 21-24|8-21
Fair|10-13, 14-17, 18-21, 22-25, 26-27, 28-29|10-13 or 14-21
Bair|4-5 or 6-11|9-10
Uair|7-11|17-17, 18-37, 39-39
Dair|16-19 or 20-31|20-20
Grab|8-9|6-7
Dash Grab|10-11|8-9
Pivot Grab|11-12|9-10

 

[Shadó Chimera / シャドーキメラ]

The first line says Brawler btw. :x

 

[Ffamran]

The first line says Brawler btw. :x

Fixed; I use templates - read: copy the other MU discussions I have - and I forgot to to change the "Welcome to the ___ matchup discussion" for both MG and MSF. Not really sure what I can say about this MU other than I don't fight many Mii Gunners at all. It might end up a little like Villager and Samus since both Villager and Gunner have ranged aerials and both Samus and Gunner have if they choose to, Charge Shots and Missiles. After that, I have no clue.

 

[Thinktron]

Okay what im about to say is referring to Mii Gunner 1111.
so basically
Samus's Charge shot
Ness's Pk-Fire
Fox's Reflector
okay i cant make a joke with lunar launch, that's actually unique

Lets get the basics out the way, Reflector is always a move you should keep in mind, many of gunners attacks, including aerials can be inflected back it her (using female gender as a sense of consistency)

Falco has on average more speed and utility on his attacks, and many out range hers as well.


Okay what else... ummmmm....... Is there actually a single person on this sight that can give more info

sorry for very little info. Im willing to bet the amount of times this match-up has happened since the game came out globally is probably under 100.

 

[Man of shame]

One thing to note is that mii gunner is great at edge guarding and falco's recovery is kind of exploitable.