Meta SSB4 Falco Matchup Discussion 46 & 47 - The Pits - Our Wings Just Don't Work Right

[Ffamran]

Welcome to the Pit and Dark Pit matchup discussion.

All credit goes to Quas-quas for the original images.​

Here's a link to the main post: SSB4 Falco Matchup Discussion - Main Post. This will be more for general matchup discussions like making a suggestion and such. Or, you could head over to the social thread and ask there: Where We Prefer The Air And The Points Don't Matter!. Or PM me if you really have to, but don't make a habit out of it.

Oh, and if you guys and girls want to play each other to have fun or learn about the MU, check out the NNID and FC sharing thread on the Falco boards: http://smashboards.com/threads/anyone-want-to-exchange-nnids-or-friend-codes.386513/.

There's also the regular NNID and FC sharing threads in the Online discussion if you just want to ask anyone to play.

Notice: Some rules, guidelines, and tips. Some of these are a given since you joined any forum.

1. Be respectful of each other. No insults, no trolling, no flaming, or any of that nonsense.
2. Be aware that some of the discussions can and will be old, so don't call out someone for "wrong" data if that post was referring to say, patch 1.0.3 stuff.
3. Be impartial; learn to see things from other sides. So, don't boast about all the advantages. Notice weaknesses and strengths from both parties.
4. Stay on topic.
5. Have fun.

And here is a frame speed ranking of their regular attacks and grabs - no Specials yet, sorry - to clear up on things since sometimes a move may feel slow, but it's actually fast and vice versa. Plus more information doesn't always hurt. Data from Pit's Frame Data and Dark Pit's Frame Data by @Aerodrome and the Complete Hitbox/Frame Data For Every Character threads.

As of patch 1.1.4.

Move Hit Frames|| &
Jab|2-4, 10-12, 17-21, 22-26, 27-31, 32-36, (infinite), 41-42|5-6, 16-17, 25-26 (Gentleman)
Dash Attack|8-11 or 12-19|7-9
Ftilt|6-8|10-14
Utilt|5-9, 12-16|6-6, 8-10, 15-16
Dtilt|7-9|6-7
Side Smash|17-19 or 20-20|10-10, 21-21
Up Smash|7-12, 13-20|6-6, 10-10, 18-18
Down Smash|7-9|5-6 or 18-20
Nair|3-5, 6-9, 14-17, 21-24|4-4, 7-7, 10-10, 13-13, 16-16, 19-19, 22-22, 25-25
Fair|10-13, 14-17, 18-21, 22-25, 26-27, 28-29|11-12, 14-15, 18-19
Bair|4-5 or 7-11|10-12
Uair|7-11|12-13, 15-16, 18-19, 21-22, 24-25
Dair|16-19 or 20-31|10-10 or 11-12
Grab|8-9|6-7
Dash Grab|10-11|8-9
Pivot Grab|11-12|9-10