Smash's Future And Why We MUST Support Smash 4 The Most

[victinivcreate1]

Hello readers, victinivcreate1 here. Many of you posters know me as one of the main pessimistic posters in these boards.
Now lets put our differences aside, because there is something that casual/intermediate/hardcore 64, Melee, Brawl, Project M,and Smash Flash fans need to know.

Notice the changes that Sakurai has made to the game in attempt to cater to its hardcore audience, and how Nintendo is responding to competitive Smash.

1. 1080p graphics, 60 frames per second.
2. Gamecube controller adapter so Melee/Brawl players don't have to change.
3. Hitstun return, making combos existent, and comeback potential is possible.
4. Balance being focused on, and Sakurai now has Bandai Namco helping him out too.
5. The Invitiational tournament, inviting top players from Melee and Brawl like EG PPMD, Curse Hungrybox (says C9 Mango lolololol) and CT ZeRo, and getting the famed commentators D1, Progducto and MIOM Scar. It had 175,000 viewers. 175,000 freaking viewers. This beat out EVO 2013's SSBM viewer records of 137,000.
6. A good online system, one mode catered just to competitive Smashers.
7. Every stage has a competitive version of it, so we can also enjoy SSB4's soundtrack.
8. Nintendo SUPPORTING EVO 2014 for Super Smash Brothers. Melee. One year ago they tried to SHUT IT DOWN.

Now look what he's done for the casual audience!

1. More wacky, fun stages.
2. New characters from some of the Wii and DS's most popular series
3. More items that look fun to use too.
4. Vibrant,wild looking colors. Its a nice popping effect.
5. Online mode catered just to you guys.
6. New single player mode on 3DS!
7. 3DS Smash in GENERAL.
8. Awesome reveal trailers that generate hype.

Nintendo and Sakurai have worked hard to try and make this the best game they could. We have to support this game. Because in 6 years or so, Smash 5 will be coming. And many of the things they saw that worked in 4 will likely carry over to Smash 5. We, as the most devoted fans to this game must show our gratefulness and love for this game. We must get it into the big tournies like EVO, MLG, APEX, CEO, etc, and we MUST make sure that this game gets 400-500 entrants at these type of tournies on AVERAGE. Because if Nintendo sees this, they'll know they're doing something right. This must be the go to party game.

Now Smash 4 may not be the greatest competitive or casual game. But if we support it and show Nintendo at the same time how to correct its shortcomings, Smash 5 could be the greatest Smash game to date, and even potentially outlive Melee.

Think about it, if we supported Smash 4 enough, Smash 5 could have

• Every item in the previous Smash games PLUS more
• More stages, and all the old stages from before
• The return of loved competitive mechanics like dash dancing, wavedashing, DACUS, turn cancelling, moonwalking, B-Reversals, and added more mechanics that were just as meaningful as these, so you could literally have complete control over your character
• A 60-65 character roster featuring the new/old popular characters such asX pokemon, X Fire Emblem Character, etc, with tons of moveset variety, and alternate costumes as well. Each character could also have their own CSS animation,as a throwback for 64 fans.
• Stronger online modes, less lag, and a with options, and the ability to host tournies right online.

Now tell me this wouldn't unite the community. And the best part about this, is that this could actually happen. But thats only if we just put aside our differences when the game comes out and we supported the hell out of it.

 

[Raijinken]

Aside from a few minor blips (not EVERY stage has a flatmode, just most), I generally agree. Though I'm not sure how much it'll unite the community if Smash4 is too different from any given previous entry. Here's hoping, though.

 

[Aninymouse]

Telling human beings that they MUST do anything is usually going to trigger the automatic response, "make me/I don't want to." It is the unfortunate human condition.

That aside, I agree that if this game is half as good as I think it will be, that pushing it up to the top is the best thing we could do for the foreseeable future. Set up tournaments, play the game, petition for bigger venues, keep it real. Not everyone's going to want to go along for the ride, but that's fine, so long as a lot of other people do.

I think we actually need to have the 3DS version in hand before we can commit to anything, mind you. There is the possibility that things could be bad, though I remain convinced that will not happen.

 

[Gidy]

"All for one and one for all!"

But I think what will unite the communities together is custom movesets. They can add extra depth and encourage adaption to competitive play and make the game funner in general. Nintendo may be coming out for now, but based on their past connections to their consumers what happens if they turn their backs on us once the Wii U has succeeded?

Who knoooows...

 

[Aninymouse]

Nintendo may be coming out for now, but based on their past connections to their consumers what happens if they turn their backs on us once the Wii U has succeeded?

Who knoooows...

What if the sky turns to fire and your nose falls off? There's no sense trying to look into the future.What happens between today and Smash 5 is of no consequence right now. It's too far out. We don't even have Smash 4 yet.

 

[Gidy]

What if the sky turns to fire and your nose falls off? There's no sense trying to look into the future.What happens between today and Smash 5 is of no consequence right now. It's too far out. We don't even have Smash 4 yet.

Agreed, but it was just a thought.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

You? The pessimistic? geez people just don't understand that Quilt Reversal will remain top. lol.

 

[TimeSmash]

Wasn't there a thread like this by Amazing Ampharos or Eternal Phoenix Fire??

I do agree though that we should support Smash 4, but not necessarily the most. No reason to force or pressure someone into playing a game they don't enjoy. While I like Melee and PM a lot, I understand they're not for everyone. However, with that being said Smash 4 is the only game in the series to have received so much input from the competitive community and have things actually done in response to it (aside from PM, but I'm talking more about official Smash games here). With the possibility of patching, we could see the game be molded into a more competitive game, or have something like a "Competitive Mode" which would be upgraded a lot in the sake of balance and fine-tuning, much like how PM is.

I'm not sure if the whole Thank You Sakurai letter thing is still happening, but things like that really show how much the community cares and how much we like the series, even if we like some games better than others. Giving thanks goes a long ways, you know??

 

[josh bones]

Apex has all smash games, so smsh 4 will be at it by default.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

I believe strongly in this. If we want a game to be even better then this in the future, we have to give positive feedback on it and let Sakurai know what needs to be done next.

 

[pizzapie7]

If I like it I like it, if I don't like it I don't like it. I'm not going to force myself to play something I don't like. Just because they "worked hard on it" doesn't mean anything. I'm sure most developers work really hard on their video games.

As long as the game is good we shouldn't have any problems. This isn't difficult to understand. Good games are played. Bad ones aren't. Let's wait until we have the game, first, before we make any broad statements like "this must be the game of choice."

 

[Bauske]

I generally agree with this. It's not something I think people should force themselves to play if they hate it, but I don't think that'll be the case unless they're just incredibly close-minded. The game looks like so much fun, and I think if people go into it with an open mind and accept it for what it is and not what they wanted it to be, it could really be one of the best Smash Bros. games ever made.

 

[strawhatninja]

I think Sakurai is doing a great job with this Smash. He got a lot of criticism for Brawl being too casual, and I think he has fixed that by speeding up the game to be in between Brawl and Melee, added Final Destination mode for almost every stage, and Nintendo in general is supporting tournaments.

 

[Farorae]

I think people should play whatever they have the most fun with. I personally think Smash 4 will be the best smash yet, so I will play it, but some others likely won't and they should play whatever suits them.
Also I read somewhere that Nintendo trying to take Melee out of EVO in 2013 was just NOA's lawyers overreacting(not sure if true, but I don't doubt it) and not some conspiracy to kill competitive Melee.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Would a Smash 5 game suffice when Nintendo is embracing DLC and has put it into practice before? If Nintendo wants a character added to Super Smash Brothers they will probably add it via DLC.

Though, if Nintendo does release a new console then there exists a high chance that a new Smash will come along.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

You? The pessimistic? geez people just don't understand that Quilt Reversal will remain top. lol.

I'm not here to comment on supporting Smash 4, which I do, I'm just here to commemorate Road Death Wheel's 622nd discharge of verbal diarrhea that SWF continues to mistake for posts.

 

[PK_Wonder]

I agree with you, TC, and am getting involved and supporting the community as much as I can by hosting both 3DS and Wii U events. but until I know all of the content and features and mechanics of this game, I am preemptively thinking this might be the perfect Smash for us. Yes, fans responding with hype and talking wallets will encourage a great Smash 5, but Sm4sh could be near-perfect in its delivery.

 

[The Slayer]

Wishful thinking, but you're not forcing me to like something I'm not entirely sure if it'll be great or not.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Wishful thinking, but you're not forcing me to like something I'm not entirely sure if it'll be great or not.

He's not asking you to like it, he's asking you to generate false interest in the game.

 

[Aninymouse]

Wasn't there a thread like this by Amazing Ampharos

And it turned into the biggest cesspool of a thread we've seen in ages. Wasn't AA's fault, really. It was just allowed to happen.

If I like it I like it, if I don't like it I don't like it. I'm not going to force myself to play something I don't like. Just because they "worked hard on it" doesn't mean anything. I'm sure most developers work really hard on their video games.

As long as the game is good we shouldn't have any problems. This isn't difficult to understand. Good games are played. Bad ones aren't. Let's wait until we have the game, first, before we make any broad statements like "this must be the game of choice."

Also this is basically the most common sense you're going to hear on the subject.

He's not asking you to like it, he's asking you to generate false interest in the game.

He kind of is, isn't he? But only because he made this thread before the game is even out. In several more weeks this might seem more reasonable. Let's hope it does.

 

[Golden Gallade]

 

[Little_GotenSRK]

He's not asking you to like it, he's asking you to generate false interest in the game.

Isn't that just as bad?

 

[Egg-Off the Conquerer]

I said it before I'll say it again. Top Melee players almost certainly won't main this game, but it doesn't matter. We WILL play this game at the next 2 or 3 evos, nintendo will make sure of that. They even have the power to prevent streaming of say melee at APEX or PM at KoC. Nintendo will be forcing this game down our throats fir the next few years so let's try to have fun with it

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Isn't that just as bad?

Absolutely. There is little point to making it seem like people love a game more than in actuality. If the point is to have changes made to a game going forward, it's counter-intuitive to say "I really, really, really love this!!!" It probably just reinforces what they already have in mind. One would be gloating on the game as it already exists.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

I'm still sort of confused. Is he saying that supporting this game a lot will result in the next game, which may or may not be happening, to be much better than the previous entries? I can't really see the logic in that.

 

[pizzapie7]

QR you never cease to be my one of my most favorite-est persons in the Smash 4 Boards that isn't myself.

I said it before I'll say it again. Top Melee players almost certainly won't main this game, but it doesn't matter. We WILL play this game at the next 2 or 3 evos, nintendo will make sure of that. They even have the power to prevent streaming of say melee at APEX or PM at KoC. Nintendo will be forcing this game down our throats fir the next few years so let's try to have fun with it

They really can't. While they may potentially have that power, they cannot afford the bad press of being a company that hates one of it's fanbases. While Nintendo may have the power to get the game into the major "esports" events like MLG or EVO, at a grassroots level they really can't do much. Remember what happened last time they tried to stop a Smash livestream?

 

[Morbi]

I have this discussion quite a bit with my sister, these are my essentially my thoughts verbatim; however, unfortunately, you are asking for the impossible and it is not necessarily fair to demand that people support a game that does not deserve to be supported either. Hypothetically speaking, it could lead to the best Smash game (Smash 5), Nintendo would support the community wholeheartedly and we would only continue to expand as a united entity. The community split is detrimental; in my opinion, but things seem to work out at the current time. So change is not necessary; if change is not necessary, change will not be incited. Regardless, at the very least, it is my hope that everyone will give Smash 4 a reasonable chance.

 

[The Slayer]

He's not asking you to like it, he's asking you to generate false interest in the game.

Oh I know. Which is why I wouldn't anyhow. This topic is already treading bad waters anyways, so I'm gonna step right out of it.

 

[ChibiIceClimberz]

I'm still sort of confused. Is he saying that supporting this game a lot will result in the next game, which may or may not be happening, to be much better than the previous entries? I can't really see the logic in that.

It can, but not always. I'll try to explain it below.

Supporting usually means buying the product. If you buy a copy of a game—and only if it's brand new—you basically end up giving the company your money. If a big community is willing to support and buy the game, then it means more sales. More sales means more money generated for the company. The money generated for the game's high sales can potentially mean more sequels.

However, the situation written above regarding the game's needed support doesn't always work. The Super Smash Bros. series has always been a big seller and will always sell regardless of quality, and high sales don't always indicate quality. Melee has sold a lot of copies, which meant that people indirectly supported it, but that support didn't really lead to the expectations people wanted for Brawl.

But at the same time, this doesn't usually mean that Sakurai's team won't listen. In fact, they actually will. It's merely the feedback that the community wants. If Nintendo and Sakurai do listen that we support the list of things we want and it becomes successful, then we've pretty much succeeded as well. Basically this quote:

We, as the most devoted fans to this game must show our gratefulness and love for this game. We must get it into the big tournies like EVO, MLG, APEX, CEO, etc, and we MUST make sure that this game gets 400-500 entrants at these type of tournies on AVERAGE. Because if Nintendo sees this, they'll know they're doing something right. This must be the go to party game.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

Won't help when we have plenty of people here on Smashboards who have already made up their minds that the game will be terrible.

 

[Egg-Off the Conquerer]

QR you never cease to be my one of my most favorite-est persons in the Smash 4 Boards that isn't myself.



They really can't. While they may potentially have that power, they cannot afford the bad press of being a company that hates one of it's fanbases. While Nintendo may have the power to get the game into the major "esports" events like MLG or EVO, at a grassroots level they really can't do much. Remember what happened last time they tried to stop a Smash livestream?

As much as I would like this to be true, NoJ has proven that it does not treat its fans well. You know about the youtube BS right? I WOULDN't put anything past them, especially i they feel like they've been pushed into a corner with the poor sales of the Wii U. A week ago I might have agreed that smaller tournaments are out of their power, but with Twitch's recent changes, I think we could really face trouble.

Besides, Evo is the real stage, and it would suck for all of the smash community's hard work to go to waste if smash gets cut because nintendo won't allow melee and no one is playing smash 4.

 

[TimeSmash]

@ Egg-Off the Conquerer what Twitch changes do you mean exactly, for those of us who haven't heard? Also, are you referencing the whole Let's Play debacle when talking about Youtube BS? Because that was BS. I was pretty shocked at how douchey Nintendo was being over it

 

[Johnknight1]

People should play a game because they enjoy it.

If they don't enjoy the game, they shouldn't play it.

It's that simple.

 

[Hydde]

f I like it I like it, if I don't like it I don't like it. I'm not going to force myself to play something I don't like. Just because they "worked hard on it" doesn't mean anything. I'm sure most developers work really hard on their video games.

As long as the game is good we shouldn't have any problems. This isn't difficult to understand. Good games are played. Bad ones aren't. Let's wait until we have the game, first, before we make any broad statements like "this must be the game of choice."

This-

It all depends of how good the game is made.

If Sak pulls another Brawl, the say goodbye to the support. Not because it wasnt competitive....but because it was bad in general compared to its 2 predecessors

 

[Moldy Clay]

Those are some large leaps in what you think could happen by supporting SSB4. A lot of those advanced techniques are not things Sakurai likely intended, so expecting them to know you want them to add back in things that happen because of certain physics manipulation is a bit of a stretch.

Support tells them you like what they did, and no support tells them you don't. If they think you like it, they will give more of the same.

The thing that doesn't work with that is that some people like ASPECTS and the effort, but not the actual end result. So they aren't exactly going to support it just because they worked hard or because they tried.

For example:

Someone makes you dinner. They spent all afternoon working really hard to make you this awesome dinner, they think, and they make sure it's all your favorite stuff and the table's set really nice and you have your favorite drink and so on.

However, the dinner itself simply doesn't taste good. Now, you could grin and bear it and say "Oh this is great!" when you don't mean it. They will be happy, but this means they're going to make this meal for you again, or similar meals, and they are going to taste equally bad.

Alternatively, you can come right out and say that something is wrong with it. You'll upset the person, but it is for the best. They will either try harder next time, or they will stop altogether and never try again.

So, people could support a game they don't like, but it in no way means that Nintendo or Sakurai will make the next game any better.

The only thing people can really do is do the Club Nintendo survey. They give you spots to say what you like and don't like and your overall feelings on the game.

So if you loved that they attempted to consider your way of play, tell Nintendo, but if you didn't like several aspects, tell them that too. It may not seem like you can really do anything that way, but it's an option, and I'm sure if it is written constructively, they'll care more than if you send them a fuming e-mail written like a whiny child.

That's all you can really do. People should still buy the game to test it out (or play extensively with a like-minded friend who did), instead of basing their opinions entirely on a demo, videos of people who only played a little bit, and impressions of people who may not think the same as you in the first place, but they do not have to enjoy the end result.

Nintendo/Sakurai obviously thought more about competitive players this time around, but that doesn't necessarily mean they got it down, and it doesn't necessarily mean that SSB5 will be even more competitive.

Having said all of this, I have nothing but excitement for this game. Both versions. But I'm not going to pretend everyone has to support it. Nor that their support will do things like bring back obscure, unrelated things from Melee or SSB64.

People should play a game because they enjoy it.

If they don't enjoy the game, they shouldn't play it.

It's that simple.

This doesn't seem to really have anything to do with ENJOYING the game. It's about showing Nintendo we appreciate that they made an effort to change things and try appealing to both sides of the audience.

 

[Egg-Off the Conquerer]

@ Egg-Off the Conquerer what Twitch changes do you mean exactly, for those of us who haven't heard? Also, are you referencing the whole Let's Play debacle when talking about Youtube BS? Because that was BS. I was pretty shocked at how douchey Nintendo was being over it

The let's play stuff is what I'm referrring to, nintendo still won't allow lets players to make money off of their own videos.

Twitch changes: twitch is likely going to be obtained by google, and in preperation for that, twitch has put out a new policy for arcived videos that states that if liscensed music can be heard in the video (including in game music) the video will be muted

 

[Jerm]

Would a Smash 5 game suffice when Nintendo is embracing DLC and has put it into practice before? If Nintendo wants a character added to Super Smash Brothers they will probably add it via DLC.

Though, if Nintendo does release a new console then there exists a high chance that a new Smash will come along.

I personally don't think Nintendo will release a console ever again...I could see them continuing to release handhelds but I believe the Wii U will be their last home console. Mainly because I could see Nintendo just becoming a solely software producing company like what happened to Sega. They would mostly focus on their action figure (amiibo) agenda and also focus on mobile apps. I could see it now....

Anywayssss yes we need to nurture Smash 4 as if it is a biological newborn baby in order for it to properly develop into a fine fighting game 1-2 years from now. Ban the next "Meta Knight-esc" character outright until they're patched as to not repeat the eventual decay of diversity we witnessed during Brawl's lifetime.

 

[Hydde]

I personally don't think Nintendo will release a console ever again...I could see them continuing to release handhelds but I believe the Wii U will be their last home console. Mainly because I could see Nintendo just becoming a solely software producing company like what happened to Sega. They would mostly focus on their action figure (amiibo) agenda and also focus on mobile apps. I could see it now....

Anywayssss yes we need to nurture Smash 4 as if it is a biological newborn baby in order for it to properly develop into a fine fighting game 1-2 years from now. Ban the next "Meta Knight-esc" character outright until they're patched as to not repeat the eventual decay of diversity we witnessed during Brawl's lifetime.

Taking into account how bad the WiiU has fared.. it hink this is also nintendo{s last console.

Their handheld division at least profits. I hink they will have to eliminate their console team and become a handheld player...otherwise face bankrupcy

 

[Ulevo]

Um, yeah. I have no intention of supporting Smash IV if it turns out to be bad. Sorry. And there is meaningful purpose in that. If you blindly support Nintendo's efforts to create poor content, they'll keep creating poor content. Unfortunately the only way I see the Smash series going in a competitively healthy direction is by us being stern with what we want, and not supporting/buying otherwise.

 

[Lily~!]

Taking into account how bad the WiiU has fared.. it hink this is also nintendo{s last console.

Their handheld division at least profits. I hink they will have to eliminate their console team and become a handheld player...otherwise face bankrupcy

The WiiU isn't Nintendo's first poorly selling console.