Shock to grab

[tddavis]

what kind of shock do you guys do, a DJC or a shuffle? because evertime I try to do a shock to a grab the shock knocks them to far away to follow up. Even with my DJC it does a little pop of damage at the end that knocks them back. I really want to learn to do but I am getting really frustrated on how to control the shock.

 

[Earthbound360]

DjC
The key is to not sweetspot the fair. If you do, the last spark will connect which has the knockback. To avoid hitting with the last spark, DjC the fair low to the ground and hit the ground before it comes out to end the fair. Then grab. But keep in mind that this IS escapable, it's just not too easy to do.

But you can SH it. Just make sure that you SH it late so that you are near the ground.

Fast falling always helps.

 

[DD151]

I think it works better at lower %'s.

You just need to make sure the last hit doesn't connect so the opponent doesn't get knocked back, and this is more easily done with a DJC fair than a SH one. Also after the fair you'll usually have to dash forward into a JC grab from my experience.

 

[FzGhouL]

Oh this may help my game. Never occurred to me as a viable combo.

 

[Tron V2.0]

It might also help to L-cancel the unfinished fair

 

[Psi]

I've been trying this with very little success. Assuming I hit them and don't shield grabbed, I can't start dashing quick enough to land the JC grab.

I think at least part of my problem is L-cancelling it. I'm having a lot of trouble because you have to be hitting so many other buttons at the same time. I've been trying to use A to attack but then Z to L-cancel.

Any suggestions?

 

[arrowhead]

if you can't grab right after the fair, don't grab. dash cancelled grabs are too slow

and you don't use Z to L-cancel. that's probably what your problem is

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

I've been trying this with very little success. Assuming I hit them and don't shield grabbed, I can't start dashing quick enough to land the JC grab.

I think at least part of my problem is L-cancelling it. I'm having a lot of trouble because you have to be hitting so many other buttons at the same time. I've been trying to use A to attack but then Z to L-cancel.

Any suggestions?

l cancel with l, not z, because you'd need z to grab. Probably the reason you aren't hitting it is because of a missed l cancel. I've seen someone do this with the weak hit of the n-air too. any tips on that?

 

[Greta_the_Great]

DJC fair with JC grab is the easiest way. The higher they get, the harder it is to get off. It's done about 30 seconds into this match. (if you need an example)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amak4yIAPvw

 

[Psi]

Sorry I should've been more specific. I already DJC to JC grab but for some reason even when the last spark doesn't hit I can't get the grab off in time. Its the L-cancel on the DJC fair that I can't get off consistently.

I was asking about using Z to L-cancel because then you could just tap Z three times instead of having to worry about different buttons. Once to Fair, once to L-cancel, and once to grab. Maybe that's a bad idea though. I may go back to trying the normal way.

 

[Earthbound360]

Well, If you are going to use ZZZ,you will have to squeeze in a jump button right before the last Z which may be hard. I always use L to L-cancel.

 

[Psi]

I think you're right. I'm not having much luck with the Z-cancel idea so I guess I'll go back to trying the traditional way and see how that works.

 

[arrowhead]

is it faster to grab with Z after the L-cancel or hold L and press A? or are they the same speed?

oh haha post 100 . thanks earthbound

 

[Earthbound360]

Virtually, both methods can be the same, but taking into finger speed, I think L+A would be faster. I still use Z though.

BTW, congrats on 100 posts arrowhead

EDIT: I smell dead people.

 

[indie_dave]

do what umbreonmow recommends: practice l-canceling with space animals. after practicing shffling aerials into shine combos with fox, my shock to grab with ness is now nearly kampeki. i know, it's fox, but for the practical value, right?

Edit: i use L to l-cancel, and jumpcancel Z to grab..