Rate their Chances: the DLC Edition. Day: 192: The final day

[Yokta]

Looks like tomorrow's concept is Alpha forms?

Prediction: 83% Want, 47% chance.

I nominate Mallo x1 and Crash Bandicoot x4.

 

[PK_Wonder]

fixed...

I always referred to Sylux as "it" myself, but Tanabe used the pronoun "he" multiple times over the past 24 hours so who else would know better?

 

[FalKoopa]

I always referred to Sylux as "it" myself, but Tanabe used the pronoun "he" multiple times over the past 24 hours so who else would know better?

That's the translator. Japanese tends to drop pronouns when the context isn't ambiguous. Take that for for what you will.

 

[FancySmash]

So... We're rating the DLC characters, and Nintendo's E3 presentation? OK, let's start.

- 40%: Eh, I don't know why, but no matter how I look at him, I can't really bring myself to really "like" him. I'm definitely glad that he is differed from Marth and Lucina at least, but the fact that he got treatment like this compared to other characters, and the fact that his want rating was around 11 (compared to other veterans like Wolf, Ice Climbers, and Snake), something just rubs me the wrong way about him, especially how "over powered" he seems to be (I expect this to not last long though.
No matter what, remains my boy. Glad for his fans, but I don't want this to be the last veteran we get.

- 50%: Don't care for his inclusion, but I don't mind him at the same time. However, his move set is needlessly complex. I mean, how many people that play Street Fighter also play Smash Bros. to know how to use his "alternate attack commands?" He's definitely a character I won't use much, simply because I have no prior knowledge to Street Fighter (the only fighting game I actually enjoy is Smash Bros.). Also, I still can't shake the feeling that Capcom enjoyed putting him in just to put down Mega Man. Why do they hate Mega Man so much?

- 90%: And here's the DLC character I enjoy the most. Earthbound/Mother really deserve to have Lucas representing it along with Ness. His attacks feel different from Ness (not completely different, but It's OK for Ness to have ONE clone), and his Alts are really nice. Maybe it's nostalgia, and the fact that I like Lucas off the bat, but his inclusion is one I can easily welcome back.

Mini-Direct - 30% - I'm going to be honest, leaks pretty much killed this for me, as well as the fact that I didn't catch the full direct (missed the beginning just looking for it), it kinda let me down. However, the stages and release date for the DLC did really surprise me. So, 30%.

Nintendo Direct - Abstain, my first one at that. I didn't see the direct. I know of the Content in it, so I'll put that down as a separate category. Otherwise, I just won't say anything about this one.

Nintendo's E3 - 45%: I can't help but agree that Nintendo was a bit disappointing with E3, as much as I hate admit it. I know that Mario Maker got the most attention, and while I agree that it got too much attention, at least it's something I can look forward to. Other things that interested me include Mario&Luigi Paper Jam, Hyrule Warriors 3DS, and Fire Emblem Fates (not a Fire Emblem fan, but it looks like it's coming along decently). Everything else just kinda bored me, even Triforce Heroes (maybe because I see it as something to keep Zelda fans busy while they work on Zelda Wii U). All in all, as Vector the Crocodile would say, "Lackluster performance I'd say...""

 

[Aetheri]

I always referred to Sylux as "it" myself, but Tanabe used the pronoun "he" multiple times over the past 24 hours so who else would know better?

Doesn't seem right since one important aspect of Sylux is being mysterious...

 

[Troykv]

Okay, so with nominations opening up tomorrow alongside our rerates of Ice Climbers and Tetra, how do you guys plan to spend your 15 nominations?

Not many characters were helped or hurt significantly anyway, but here are the few essentials to rerate soon methinks:
-Paper Mario (has a new crossover game, definitely helped)
-Wolf and Krystal (this should be interesting... the latter seems to play no role).. we're going to rate Slippy any day now too.
-I would say Animal Crossing characters, but all the major ones are either an AT, FS, or stage element. Hmm... maybe next time.
-Spyro, the king of hybrid amiibo-Skylanders
-Inklings still need a rerate. This was their chance to (Sun)shine beyond Mii Fighter costumes. I want them, but don't know how I feel about their chances now. This would be an interesting discussion.

Also, I think Sylux is worthy of being rated for once considering all of the recent Kensuke Tanabe quotes about him having a future planned. Please don't overinflate him, but he's now on my radar of having a "slim chance" instead of "zero chance."

There weren't really any new/unrated characters shown to have any significance to Smash. We could rate Yuuri Kozukata from Fatal Frame I suppose. Yeah, let's do that, just cause.

Wow, there's not a lot that was affected is there? but might as well spend some votes on the above characters.

- Paper Mario has a great push co-existing with a 3D-Mario in the Crossover
- I don't see neccesary to rerate Wolf... everyone expecting him in the game (Star Fox U now Star Fox Zero)... and now we know that.. Krystal in other side... has a (possible) massive fall in recent revelance (includes worst that other character with lower Rate because her last mention in some thing was in 2006).
- Animal Crossing everything is already used in something.
- Inkling's case is really weird... but now they don't feel like super likeable.

Mmm... I need to see that is voted in the nominations.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't see any real reason to rerate Wolf, he likely is going to re-appear in the game anyway with the small hints people have discovered.

 

[FalKoopa]

Well, he is at the top of the Chance Chart, and I won't be surprised if I see nothing but a string of 100%'s.

 

[PreedReve]

Well, he is at the top of the Chance Chart, and I won't be surprised if I see nothing but a string of 100%'s.

I'll NEVER give Wolf a 100%! >:v
NEVER!

 

[FalKoopa]

I'll NEVER give Wolf a 100%! >:v
NEVER!

What? Were you expecting a "can't let you do that. " reply?

 

[BluePikmin11]

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[A Distant Demon]

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I mean we've seen at least 3 times of them and Wolfen's are on the front cover.

is this news to literally anyone?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Which is why we shouldn't rate Wolf again.

 

[FalKoopa]

Someone ask him about Krystal (and hope you actually get an answer.)

 

[Delzethin]

Meanwhile, Star Fox Command is getting released on Wii U Virtual Console!

An interesting turn of events, especially with word that Star Fox Zero isn't a full on retcon. It seems Krystal isn't gone, she just isn't in this next game. And considering relevance isn't as important with the Smash Ballot in play...

 

[NintenRob]

I'll abstain today but I just have a few things to say

MARIO & LUIGI X PAPER MARIO CROSSOVER HYPE EVERYTHING IS AWESOME BEST GAME OF THE YEAR MARIO & LUIGI GAMEPLAY PAPER BOWSER MEETS NORMAL BOWSER

MUPPETS!

I think Spyro should also be re rated.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Okay, so with nominations opening up tomorrow alongside our rerates of Ice Climbers and Tetra, how do you guys plan to spend your 15 nominations?

Sylux, obviously, given the Kensuke Tanabe news.

Don't worry, I'll be honest even in the face of my bias.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

I might start pushing for Sylux as well when the nominations are up.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I wanna rate some Advance Wars characters, Sami, Andy, Sturm, and Olaf.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

E3 Satisfaction Ratings

Roy- 20% To be honest, I didn't want Roy like at all. I know he has his fans and I'm pretty sure they're happy he's back. Really I could have care less about his reveal and his inclusion. I mean when he came on screen I was like meh.

Ryu- 95% I was suprised with how he actually turned out. The stage they got with him also looked gorgeous on both the 3DS and the Wii U. They are using his combos from Street Fighter, I thought they went all out for Ryu. The only thing that keeps him from getting a 100% is that he got leaked before we even knew about the direct.

Lucas 100% One of my mains from Brawl is back. He was litrerally the one I missed the most after Wolf. Earthbound/Mother is such a small series for Smash that most it's representation should stick around. They're a couple of tweaks here and there with his moveset, they somewhat Luigiefied him but it's not much but is enough. I also love his alternate costumes, this my second favorite alts after Bowser Jr.

Mini-Smash Direct: 90%- I thought the whole direct was really good. They're were some stuff that we didn't get from before. We got more Amiibos coming, (prepare your wallets people) and also we got information on the new Tourney mode, which won't make it till August. We also got some old stages coming back and also the MiiVerse stage which is Free and also more Mii Fighter costumes of course. I also like the concept of the Mii Fighters Amiibo and hope those get customized some way. Overall, I did thought it was pretty good and we had a lot of solid information I just wish that most of this stuff wasn't leaked which is why it got knocked down of 10%.

Nintendo E3 Presentation- 40% They obviously had nothing to really go by for this year. The only big games they probably had were Super Mario Maker ( which I'm still going to get by the way), Xenoblade Chronicles X, SMTxFE, Yoshi's Wooly World and StarFox Zero. I mean the other games looked decent I may get that 3DS Zelda game I forget the name of it and the new Paper Mario game looked pretty interesting. If anything I feel bad for the Metroid fans right now, if anyone got robbed this year for E3 it was Metroid. They've also ended it off in a weird and cringeworthy way too like really charity, I mean there is nothing wrong with the charity thing but this is not something you announce to do at E3 of all things. Maybe something like GameScom maybe, but definitely not at E3. I just feel like this is a big filler because of maybe the NX and they just weren't ready to show off anything. Still their whole conference was really underwhelming.

E3 as a Whole: 50% I really thought Sony hit out of the park this year. They had some good games, I think I may be getting a PS4 sometime soon. Microsoft I still don't see a reason for me to own an XBOX 1. Why I give it a Fifty well, it's becsuse of well Nintendo and somewhat Microsoft for the most part.

 

[Zerp]

I'd still like to rerate Wolf because I'm being selfish and never got to rate him in the first place. (Besides,didn't Sakurai just imply that Roy and Lucas were the last vets? That kinda hurts his chances, definitely not a 93% imo.)

 

[Icedragonadam]

Wolf rerated? Nope. I don't think his chances are affected in any way. I agree with rerating Krystal and Inklings though.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not entirely sure, but I might consider nominating Fiora.

I think Spyro should also be re rated.

No offense, but why? Because of a crossover appearance of Bowser and Donkey Kong in a game that won't be released in Japan (and Spyro has always severely lacked Japanese popularity to the point where only FIVE out of his 15+ games have been localized in that region on top of that)? I respectfully disagree, but I won't stop you from nominating him.

 

[Arcanir]

Roy: 60%
I'm very impressed with how he turned out as they took his original moveset and added a lot of flare to him, but I'm still not as fond of him or his playstyle.

Ryu: 75%
Just like with Mega Man and Pac-Man, they took the character and did a great job adapting him into the Smash environment while still being fun to play. Additionally, his combo potential and the move inputs being brought over from Street Fighter was a nice touch and makes him stand out from the rest of the characters.

Smash Direct: 80%
Despite the leaks, this was still pretty interesting to watch. It was nice to see the characters get full reveals along with Dreamland 64, and seeing that Peach's Castle 64 and Hyrule Castle 64 is in the works to be brought back was also a nice treat. The only thing I can't say I cared for was the lack of non-Ryu and Ken themes on Ryu's stage and the Mii costumes since I'm personally not that invested in them.

Nintendo Digital Event: 40%
This could've been a lot better. There were some good games given out (Star Fox, Paper Jam), but it seemed to lack in a lot of areas. It didn't get the hype going aside from Star Fox and the games we mostly either knew or were spinoffs that, while nice, aren't the big hitters we'd expect. It also doesn't help that, for some reason Nintendo skipped out on the details on some of the newer games that really needed it (including the ones that were revealed a week prior) and focused too much on the games we knew about such as Yoshi's Wooly World. While it's definitely possible that Nintendo was working with limited resources, they could've planned this event out a bit better so that it still left a decent impression even with the lack of content, but unfortunately it ended up falling short.

All of E3: Abstain.
I missed most of the events, so I can't really give the best score for this one.

 

[Smasher 101]

Roy/Ryu satisfaction: 70%

Haven't gotten them yet, but I plan to. I didn't care too much about either, but I like Roy's changes and Ryu's moveset sound. Still not among my top picks by far, but I'll take these two.

Smash direct satisfaction: 90%

Pretty hype overall, even with leaks.

Nintendo E3: 40%

Overall kind of a letdown, but there were some things that interest me.

E3 overall: abstain

can I play Xenoblade now I just got it I'm playing it now

 

[NintenRob]

I'm not entirely sure, but I might consider nominating Fiora.


No offense, but why? Because of a crossover appearance of Bowser and Donkey Kong in a game that won't be released in Japan (and Spyro has always severely lacked Japanese popularity to the point where only FIVE out of his 15+ games have been localized in that region on top of that)? I respectfully disagree, but I won't stop you from nominating him.

Hmm, I know very little about Spyro, I just thought he should be rerated because I saw a lot of arguments saying that he has very little to do with Nintendo.

Interesting to know about his lack of influence in Japan.

 

[Delzethin]

Okay, so considering that it was only a few hours ago we got some Virtual Console reveals? For all we know, there could still be a little more info that pops up tomorrow. Maybe we should wait on picking things up again until Thursday night.

It'd also give us more time to properly think things over. It'd lower the chance of knee-jerk ratings like what we had on Chibi-Robo's day.

 

[Ura]

I'd still like to rerate Wolf because I'm being selfish and never got to rate him in the first place. (Besides,didn't Sakurai just imply that Roy and Lucas were the last vets? That kinda hurts his chances, definitely not a 93% imo.)

Sakurai just said that Lucas and Roy came back because of their massive fan support. If anything, that just boosts Wolf's chances even higher.

 

[colder_than_ice]

Roy: 70% - He was long overdue to return, I wasn't a big supporter but I'm very happy for his fans who've waited so long for this.

Ryu: 50% - I just don't care much for him.

Smash Mini Direct: 50% - The leaks kind of ruined it for me. I also did not like the new Mii costumes at all.

Nintendo Digital Event: 20% - It was really boring. They spent far too much time showing off games that we already knew a lot about. Triforce Heroes at the very least looks fun.

E3 Overall: 40% - Mass Effect Andromeda may be just the push I need to buy a PS4. Dishonerd 2 and the Last Guardian were also note worthy. Sadly this was overall a pretty lackluster E3

DAY OVER
PLEASE WAIT WHILE I CALCULATE THE RESULTS​

 

[colder_than_ice]

ROY: 73.53%
RYU: 79.04%
SSB MINI-DIRECT: 80.25%
NINTENDO E3 EVENT: 36.95%
THE ONE THAT EVERYONE ABSTAINED FROM: 56.78%​

It seems you guys were really only interested in the SSB related content this time around. Only 18 of you gave a satifaction rating for E3 overall so that may not be the most accurate final score for it. Next up we are rating the characters that you voted for having the most overrated and underrated ratings. Please rate Ice Climbers and Tetra and predict what score Alpha form stages will get tomorrow. Also everyone gets 15 nominations today!!!!

 

[Ura]

Ice Climbers

Chance: 50%

As I mentioned before, it comes down to whether or not Sakurai has found a solution to the 3DS problem. If he did find one, they would be in the game in a heart beat. If not, their going to stay cut.

Want: 90%

Returning vets is always a great thing and the IC's coming back would make a lot of people happy.

Tetra

Chance: 30%

Even with her being in Hyrule Warrios, I don't necessarily think it's an indication that she'll defiantly be DLC. YLink, Midna, and Impa are in the game to you know.

Want: 60%

I want other LoZ characters over her personally (Impa, Ganon, YLink) though she can be a pretty good addition herself. Any LoZ rep would be welcomed by me really.

Prediction
Alpha Stages: 15%

Nominations
Andy X15

 

[Smasher 101]

The extra nominations for Micaiah's day will be awarded tomorrow, by the way.

Everyone's already receiving a bunch today, anyway.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Ice Climbers:

Chance: 20% Again. Unless Sakurai can get them working on the 3DS version they're not coming back sadly. Unless there's an NX port.

Want: 100%

Tetra:

Chance: 25%. She has a fairly good shot. Popular, appears in Hyrule Warriors, and is probably one of the forbidden seven in Brawl.

Want: 75% Especially with pistols and cutlass.

Prediction:

Alpha Stages: 21.56%

Nominate:

Lloyd Irving x10
Mother 3 Stage x5

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Ice Climbers

Chance: 10%

If Sakurai said they can figure out any way for the Icies to work, then there's no way in hell they would return. The Pikmin worked because they lowered their frame rate and Luma worked because it has less complex AI. Using those methods for Nana could easily ruin the character and it's best to leave them cut. They were already defined as a duo since Day 1 and having Popo go solo wouldn't make the lick of sense.

Want: 90%

Loved them since Melee and they were quite the unique pair. Veterans are always a great way of having DLC for any Smash fan.

Tetra

Chance: 30%

Despite her popularity and appearance in Hyrule Warriors, it think there's only a slight edge that she has over her Toon Zelda alter ego. The only chance that she can join is if people actually think about providing more ballot support (which I can see happening soon thanks to the Hyrule Warriors port).

Want: 90%

Her character was memorable and pirates are awesome, making her the best Toon character in the Zelda universe. She can at provide something new over her alter ego and she would do wonders with her many pirate-y tools. One top of that, Wind Waker is my all time favorite game and it will always have that special place in my heart.

Prediction: Alpha Stages: 15%

Nominations: Style Savvy X15

 

[Deleted member]

Ice Climbers

Chance: Negligible (Approximately 0%)

Unless Sakurai somehow finds a solution to their technical limitations, I don't see their return happening.

Chance: 60%

I would be happy for their fans, but I personally don't care for them.

Tetra

I still go by everything I stated previously.

Chance: 25%

+ One of the more popular and iconic incarnations of Zelda.
+ Being pirate gives her moveset the potential to be unique. There aren't any pirates currently featured in Smash.
-- Doesn't have much from her source material to work with aside from "She's a pirate! AAARRRGGGHHH!!!!"
+ To be fair, Zelda and Sheik didn't have much from their respective source material either. One simply used magic while the other fit the ninja archetype.
? Tetra (or "Toon Sheik") was one of the Forbidden 7 in Brawl along with Toon Zelda. Why they were scrapped, I have no idea.
-- She's not as highly requested as other characters such as Isaac and K. Rool.

Like Impa and Pig Ganon, Tetra is one of the top contenders for an additional Zelda series rep, but Sakurai might already be satisfied with representing that IP and focusing his priorities elsewhere.

Want: 100%

Wind Waker is one of my favorite entries in the Zelda series. I enjoyed Tetra as a character and I'd probably enjoy her inclusion in Smash. Oh, and she's a pirate!

Prediction: Alpha Stages - 20%

Nomination: Snake Rerate x15

 

[FancySmash]

I want to address the major issues that contribute to everyone saying that the Ice Climbers aren't capable of returning. I know there are many who agree that they are indeed possible for a return, but I just feel that I can't sit here thinking they can't get a decent chance. Thank you to those who agree though (like you @ Ura , I noticed your prior post) who are faithful that they have a chance!

I encourage all to read this before giving your chance for the Ice Climbers!

The Ice Climbers can't work on the 3DS
- This is the elephant in the room. The main reason people don't believe that the Ice Climbers can come back. This also stems down to people believing that the 3DS issues can't be fixed. A big reason as to why the duo were cut was because of "priority." It would seem that these two were low on priority to get working, and so any work around that could have been made, wasn't due to holding them off. With DLC time, there is actually a greater chance that the Ice Climbers can return, especially with the fact that models and programming for them must already exist, as they were said to work on the Wii U version. Speaking of the Wii U version.

The Ice Climbers can't come back because of 8-Player Smash
- This argument really doesn't hold much ground. People say that them working on the Wii U was before the implementation of 8-Player Smash, and thus can't be included now because of said mode. Honestly, I don't think this is a problem. I'd like to refer to a source that was originally found by @falcomaster925 that sheds some details on this. In the article, it describes that in 8-Player Smash, certain character models (example used is Wii Fit Trainer) are simplified to get them running in this mode. The same would have to apply to the duo. Of course, this source also explains that the duo can return without having to go with Solo Popo, buy optimizing Nana to something similar to Rosalina's Luma, thus simplifying her complex AI.
said source: https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/can-ice-climber-be-in-smash-4/

The Ice Climbers would break the competitive game because of their chain grabs
- OK, first of all, chain grabbing has been removed in this game, so the Ice Climbers wouldn't be capable of this anymore, and would thus rely on the merit of the character and skill of the player. Secondly, there are several characters on the roster that are over powered competitively, and no one really complains. Even if it was a problem, with updates to the game, characters can be buffed and nerfed were needed to make sure the game stays balanced.

Due to the lack of priority and no sequel for their series planned, the don't really need to come back
- OK, to be fair, I haven't actually seen anyone use this as an argument. Regardless, I figured I would counter it just in case. Since when has this ever been a problem in Smash? Does it seem likely that Duck Hunt will ever get a sequel? How about the Game & Watch series? Most likely, there will never be another Game & Watch game again, as they have been replaced by modern day consoles. This is a relatively weak argument, and I'm glad that this is one I haven't yet seen, as it's a pretty pathetic one.

The two would probably have to come back as solo, and that breaks the character
- For this argument, one can refer back to the 8-Player Smash issue argument, but I decided I'd address this on it's own as well. The Ice Climbers can work as a duo. If anything, Rosalina and Luma confirm this. The only thing is, Nana's AI (or Popo, depending on the color chosen I suppose) would need some optimization, and at the most, needs simplification. Again, the source provided by @falcomaster925 addresses this. These optimizations allow the two to be a duo, and will prove not too difficult for the 3DS to handle.

So with all that, what's my chance for this love-able duo? (Ice Climbers)

Chance
50% - I still think that there is definitely a chance that they can come back. I'll put it down to 50-50 though, because it all depends on how Sakurai and his team want to tackle the problem.

Want
100% - Would I create this entire defense for them if I didn't want them back?

Tetra

Chance
30% - I'm a bit on the fence with Tetra still. I'm not sure if she'd make it in before Impa. I understand that she's in the new Hyrule Warriors game, but isn't Impa in both? Tetra has a few hurdles to jump through in order to best the other options for a new Zelda character.

Want
10% - And I have to be honest, I'd still prefer Impa to Tetra. Now, being honest, Tetra can be an interesting character, but I think the pirate niche might be filled by a certain Kremling, if you know who I mean. I'm also not aware of what abilities Tetra brings to Smash. Hyrule Warriors' sequel can shed some light on this I suppose, and she isn't a bad character to help show off the "Toon" Zelda series, although part of me wants a Toon villain first. Hmm, Tetra might just have to grow on me, but I wouldn't be surprised if my want rating for her were to grow over time.

Predictions: Alpha Stages - We haven't seen any hint to these so... 5%

Nominations:
Meowth X15

 

[Aetheri]

15 Nominations!

!Rerate: Ice Climbers

Chance: 50%
Previous Chance Rating

Chance: 50%
Well another situation where things are a little hazy when it comes to a character's chances. Sakurai wanted to put them in, had issues with the 3DS, then decided to cut them altogether to keep things consistent on both platforms. With the addition of DLC Sakurai does indeed have the opportunity to try to work out the kinks to try and get them in. But is he going to bother? Well so far we got 2 confirmed veterans from melee and brawl respectively, as well as a rumoured Roy, and a more than likely Wolf to come back...Ice Climbers seem to be in a decent position given their veteran status.
Sakurai knows that people want them, and there's no doubt that they are getting some support in the ballot. But is he willing to put forth the effort to get things sorted on the 3DS? I think chances are very likely that he will at least try, they were sort of abandoned due to not being a priority over other characters who have games in the works, but Lucas is part of a franchise that has seemingly come to an end and he's coming back as DLC. Overall there's still a lot of speculation in the air and there's still uncertainty. Maybe we will get a Solo Ice Climber, to me that kinda ruins the unique quality they had but at the same time transformations were removed, which is something that made Zelda/Sheik unique as characters. Some people may complain about the Ice Climbers exclusion and bring up Rosalina and Luma but remember the player's controls over Luma are more limited than the way the Ice Climbers are literally two characters being controlled at the same time...It's not like we got two Rosalina's on the field... I'm gonna spilt the difference because quite frankly I feel that is how the situation is, both good and bad...[edit: almost forgot their icons y u no hav nana icon?]

Pretty much the same opinion...they are pretty much done, just have issues with the 3DS's hardware so it's whether or not Sakurai decides to go ahead and try to fix the problems or not...I personally am undecided for sure...

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Want: 95%
Previous Want Rating

Want: 95%

Guys, getting Popo with Nana as an Alt is more likely than getting the Ice Climbers as a team
What would you prefer, having Popo with Nana as an alt?
Or not having anything?

I would choose nothing over getting a solo Ice Climber, one thing that made the Ice Climber'S' such a unique addition to the Smash roster was their teamwork. Their attacks were more effective, their recovery was more effective and overall they were more charming given their teamwork. It is unfortunate that they got cut to begin with as they were one of my most used characters in melee (I sort of ventured away from them in Brawl) and they were very fun to use...It would not be the same with just one as it feels like having just half of the character...
I didn't give them 100% simply because I didn't use them as much in Brawl so when they were cut it didn't hurt me as much as other more loyal users to the characters. But the roster feels empty without them (both)...

Once again same opinion...I would love for the Ice CLimbers to come back but only as we know them...A Solo Ice Climber is not the same...

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!Rerate: Tetra

Chance: 25%

Previous Chance Rating

Chance: 20%
Probably one of the more likely Zelda newcomers. Which actually isn't saying much. Zelda characters in general aren't receiving incredible support besides Impa. Main reason is how Zelda characters gets cycled around quite a bit, so the support for everyone's favourite does tend to get split quite a bit, and with some of the more popular characters being Assists as well. Unlike most 'one-off' characters she has appeared in two games with Wind Waker being the major title where she gets her popularity. She was also referenced in Spirit Tracks.
Anyways when it comes to Zelda characters and their projected support, Tetra seems to be one of the secondaries behind Impa when it comes to possible Zelda candidates, along with the likes of Pig Ganon and perhaps even Vaati...(discounting NPCs since no one has faith)
Overall Toon Link is already in the roster representing the Toon Zeldaverse, even though the team doesn't think in terms of reps. If she were the same character, but not Zelda would she still be as well received, well probably yes, but that would make her less important overall in the grand scheme of things...

As far as moveset potential goes well it's hard to really say since she doesn't do to much in game to showcase this, but Smash is missing some 'Pirate' inspired characters so Sakurai may have some fun creating something off of that with some references in game, she's got a small sword as well (another sword user blasphemy!!!) as well as the use of bombs...perhaps even use the grappling hook to catch and/or hilariously tangle opponents, maybe even the use of barrels hide inside them, kick them over roll them into enemies maybe even run on top of them while they roll...There is potential for a very whimsical piratey moveset that can be implemented, perhaps a Final Smash where her ship will rain down several bombs/catapulted rocks as such...Sakurai pretty much invented Sheik's moveset with a few small references from OoT so he could very easily do the same for a piratey Tetra...

I don't feel her chances are too great, but definitely not something to overlook either...

Inb4 Hyrule Warriors Relevancy!!! I don't think it si a good idea to rerate Tetra this early after her reveal in the Hyrule Warriors Legends for the 3DS...We're gonna get another Chibi-Robo day of over inflated scores...Her role in Hyrule warriors gained her an extra 5%, but she still has other barriers to overcome such as a certain Giant Sword wielding Sheikah from the same game..

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Want: 65%
Previous Want Rating

Want: 65%
I like Tetra. And Love Wind Waker (Sakurai Y U exclude Pirate Ship?), definitely one of my favourite Zelda games! She's a third zelda, technically but that doesn't really matter all that much considering she is pretty much her own character and is more popular as herself than Toon Zelda. She is an alter ego for Zelda with the intent to keep her identity safe, however unlike Sheik, who can transform at will (well not anymore at least), Tetra cannot. So no transformations between the two if that's what people are thinking because that's not how their characters work (I actually think this is the same in OoT as Zelda/Sheik are only seen transforming once in game and never back again, but it is pretty much accepted that they can)
Her pirate based moveset would be pretty a neat addition to the roster as well, making her very unique amoung the cast.

Overall when it comes to Zelda newcomers, Impa and Midna are at the top of my list so I would be slightly disappointed if she got in over them, but I wouldn't mind too much given her character's potential...That and she'd be a much needed new rep for the franchise...

I think I'd have fun with her tangling foes in her grappling hook and rolling barrels into them! Also Skeik (ninja) vs. Tetra (Pirate)...Ninjas vs. Pirates one of the most famous fantasy conflicts can be made real in Smash finally...

My opinion hasn't changed...she would still be cool being a pirate though I would prefer other Zelda characters over her...

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Prediction: 6.5%
Concept: Alpha Stages
I don't see is as too likely that this'll happen but it'd definitely be nice...

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Nominations:
DLC: Adventure Mode x10 (Smash with your characters against your friends, online, or by yourself is cool and all, but we need something to give this game a greater purpose, This is one reason why I liked the SSE, all of the characters come together to defeat a greater evil! There are missions that need to be done, Heroes saving the day, Friendships made, Damsels saved...We need somekind of greater 1 player experience in Smash (and Co-op is still a thing) and an Adventure mode gives us that, even if it is as simple as melee's adventure mode, but with a bit more umph, classic mode is a fun set of challenges but doesn't really fulfill the same standards as an adventure)
!Rerate: Inklings x3
Ganon x2

*Edit: Spoiler tags, go home you're drunk...so "Quotes" it is...*

 

[Deleted member]

Chances : 56%

New 3DS and a big fanbase IS a thing.

Want : 90%

Tetra

Chances : 47%

Want : 100%

Her inclusion in Hyrule Warriors 3DS raised my wants to new levels.

Nominating... Black Shadow X15

 

[Ura]

Chances : 56%

New 3DS and a big fanbase IS a thing.

How are people with a New 3DS supposed to play against people with a normal 3DS?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ice Climbers rerate:

Spoiler: Previous rating

Chance: 35%

They were cut for hardware limitatons. Sakurai wanted the rosters to be the same, and they made things complicated. I think I remember reading somewhere that they were working on the WiiU, just the 3DS couldn't handle it.
...but now with the new3DS, could they finish it up, and then make the DLC WiiU and new3DS exclusive?
...or would they change the mechanics slightly? After all, the complicated thing is that Nana is basically another full character. What if they made Nana simpler? After all, Rosalina can handle her Luma in a 4-man smash on 3DS and the 8-man on WiiU, why not reduce Nana down to that much technicality? Yeah, it's a change from before, but then they're back...
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Want: 75%

I could never play them, but I do miss them. I'm hoping there's a correlation between Sakurai's latest 'I wanna make everyone happy with DLC' and the report from a while ago of 'I hate cutting characters since they all have fans' (but then again, Sakurai says a lot of things...) I would like to see these two come back, after all at this point, they're the only unique Melee veteran still not in the game. I'd also much rather have them back in a RosaLuma style than a solo Popo style, since they're about teamwork.​

Chance: 15%

I'll modify my chance down a bit. The fanbase for them is a lot quieter than it's been, so it may make Nintendo believe most have accepted and moved on. They could still be modified to give Nana a simpler AI (about as much as Luma) to get them to work, but at this point there's a lot of DLC candidates, and highly doubt slots are unlimited. Especially is Nintendo is pulling the NX out of their nether regions, we won't even be having DLC discussions after probably two ballot characters get in.
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Want: 50%

I don't miss them as much as I did. True, they are veterans, and I'd be happy to see them return, but I want Wolf more. And K.Rool. And definitely Ridley. And Squirtle. And I doubt we'll get more than 10 DLC characters total.
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Now, SHOULD Nintendo add them? Most definitely, but they won't. Nintendo has no faith in the WiiU, as most games they've made for it are local multiplayer party games (i.e. lame to nonexistent single-player modes) or have suspiciously similar 3DS ports. Of course, party games will only move WiiU units if you've got local people around, but the fact that Nintendo has a heavily 25-35 player base with jobs means it's tough to get a group of friends together to play MarioParty. Likewise, if most players have a 3DS already, a game offered on both consoles will not move units when people decide to get the 3DS version, since that means they don't need a new console. If Nintendo wants to sell WiiUs, they need to make some WiiU exclusives. The ICs would be a great start. The Smash team had them working on WiiU, so all that dev time was thrown aside. If they added the ICs as a WiiU exclusive character, it may annoy some people who only have the 3DS version, but it's not like they didn't try to get them on both. The WiiU can just handle more. I get that Sakurai didn't want anyone to feel left out, but that's in the interest of a designer trying to make a game that will sell, not in the interest of a company trying to get a console to sell - and Smash is a console seller. After all, MarioKart 7's final roster was the same size as MK8's STARTING roster. It makes perfect sense that the more powerful console could handle more things, and Sm4sh, unfortunately, favors the handheld. Adding the ICs would take negligible dev time since they were done, and may help to promote the WiiU as a console, particularly for anyone who's interested in a few games already, but hasn't hit that tipping point.

Tetra rerate:

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Spoiler: Previous rating

Chance: 20%

Another Zelda character who might have a bit of a shot. She and Impa are really the only ones who may be able to get in, but frankly the Zelda series is reasonably interchangeable after the big three. Personally, I'd prefer someone else.
She does have a decent fanbase, and she's managed to appear in more than one game, so she does have that going for her. On the negative, we really haven't seen Tetra do anything in the games but be a snarky *****. When she wants to actually do anything, she puts the dress on and becomes Toon Zelda - which Japan seems to like, remember Toon Zelda was in the new 3DS faceplate commercial?
Her initial game was recently remade (but then again, so was Majora's Mask...), but a remake is not as impressive as a brand new game. I think there are just too many other Zelda characters who are liked even more. Granted, they're mostly Assists this round...

Want: 0%
I used to be a huge Zelda fan, but I feel like they're doing everything possible to make me hate it. I had to force myself through Wind Waker. I'd stopped the original halfway through since it was so bad, and the remake made it tolerable by minimizing my dealings with Tingle. There was just nothing I liked about that game. I like the more gritty, realistic Zelda games (with a left-handed Link, but they're taking that away from me now too...).
I also don't like having multiple versions of the same character in the game. Toon Link is on the order of Dark Pit for me, since they're not even trying to make him a unique character. I preferred Zelda/Sheik as transformations, and Dr. Mario should have stayed an alt with the pills as custom specials. So a third Zelda, even if they are different? Next!
I also would prefer several characters in the series over her anyway. And I hate her design - she reminds me of a pirate the same way Disney portrays them:

...if we're going to get a pirate, I'd prefer a pirate who actually does some piracy. Not someone who has a crew of imbeciles with striped shirts, and once in the game decides to tie up a bomb merchant and then decide thet they didn't care to do anything with him anyway...
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Chance: 20%, Want: 10%
Similar arguments to the above, adding in that she's popping into Hyrule Warriors (but if we get anything of Hyrule Warriors, the first thing had better be giving us a proper 'Dorf and giving the current moveset to Black Shadow)
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Alpha stages prediction: 2.5%
Nominations: 3 each to Waluigi, Ghirahim, Black Shadow, Pirate Ship Stage, and Melee Classic mode