@
Groose
, this is a case that I would
strongly recommend leaving out any 0% chance ratings in order to avoid biased ratings, considering how disliked a character Tingle is. I don't think it's justified giving a character with such an undeniably impressive resume a flat
zero; placing him among the likes of Athena Cykes and Reggie.
As much as I'd like to do that, I won't do that. If people think having a hatebase is the end of all of his chances, then so be it; if he is ever confirmed, it will be an interesting footnote in our histories.
Let me go check out the Uniqueness Tier List thread.
I want to see how they were both rated and why.
I see you pulling Blue's "uniqueness" tier out quite a bit, but I don't think you're using it in quite the right way. It is an estimate of how unique the
community thinks a character could be, not how unique a character would actually be. Sakurai could decide to take one of our "most unique" characters and go, "this guy has a similar body shape to that other dude; they do completely different stuff, but I'm still making him a clone," or he could give a character we deem non-unique an incredibly new and fresh gimmick. I'm sure Ganondorf would have scored at least moderately high on that list (OMG an evil wizard that can transform into a monster), yet he's the least unique character in the game; I doubt Rosalina would have done well, but she's the most unique character out there. It's sort of like this game; we rate how likely we think characters are, but in reality we have a very, very high chance of being wrong.
and, if you are a
Tingle person...
...oh, well. Guess I have to leave. I hereby appoint @
Hades the Magnificent as the new head of RTC. Smell you guys later!
But let's face it. Bias will never leave.
No defeatist attitudes. Although I concede that we will never be able to transcend community bias (the environment in which we are a product of), we must be able to leave our personal biases at the door. I am trying to do this as best I can; I encourage everyone to do the same.
Well, that's news to me. I guess Link and Zelda are actually the thre antagonist, aren't they?
I love Ganondorf, and I'd be willing to write an entire essay on why his character if need be. His is a really sad story, and while he definitely becomes the embodiment of evil... he wasn't always the bad guy. Zelda's family certainly isn't innocent, I'll tell you that much.
Groose's April Zelda Chart
Total Chance: 49%
Ghirahim: 15% chance (100% want)
Tingle: 10% chance (100% want)
Tetra: 7.5% chance (33% want)
Toon Zelda: 7.5% chance (0% want)
Vaati: 5% chance (10% want)
Ganon: 3% chance (100% want)
Impa: 1% chance (10% want)
Alfonzo: 0% chance (100% want)
Let me start off by getting one thing off of my chest: the Direct has not shaken my odds of receiving a Zelda newcomer. All of you are using the confirmation that Sheik will be have her own slot as proof that the Zelda series has too many characters, but I don't think this makes any sense at all. Sheik was in the game since Melee, and while she was never her own slot on the roster, she still was her own moveset; she still required roughly the same amount of work; she still was seen as a different character by Sakurai. Sheik is not taking the place of a Zelda newcomer.
Something I view as highly interesting is the sheer amount of Zelda items and other content that we're getting. Some are taking it as a sign that Sakurai is trying to fill up the game with Zelda content to apologize for not adding a character; others take it as proof that Zelda is being taken more seriously and will definitely receive a newcomer. As for me, I wouldn't be surprised if either is the case, just as I wouldn't really be surprised if Zelda got a new character or didn't get a new character. Overall, I lean a tad towards no character; even so, I really could see it happening.
Ghirahim: 15%
I'll start today off by explaining just why I view Ghirahim as the most likely Zelda newcomer. Ghirahim is the candidate who was the freshest choice when the roster was being decided; his popularity was at a great high, and he had to at least cross Sakurai's mind when he was considering what to add to this game. Additionally, he has a very obvious moveset, so that makes it even more likely that he was considered in the context of a playable character.
What his opponents often use against him is his recency and his one-off nature. I'm sure that his "recency" is not a problem after looking at some of the other newcomers we've gotten so far; I'd actually argue that it is in his favor because he was the big thing just when the roster was being decided. I'd also call it far too soon to call him doomed to a one-off position; unlike many Zelda villains (Cole, Onox, Veran, Bellum, Agahnim), he's actually popular and unlike other popular Zelda characters (Midna, Groose), his story hadn't really ended at the end of his game. I would actually be surprised if we go three more Zelda games in a row without seeing him in some form.
Ghirahim Want: 100%
I'm all for it. I love Ganondorf (as you can see from earlier in my post), and I love how Ghirahim was just the complete "anti-Ganon." Ganon dresses in a suit of armor, has an ambition that surpasses all, goes for the cunning and composed archetype, relies on overpowering his opponents, and uses a predominantly dark color scheme. Ghirahim dresses in a skin-tight suit, has a great loyalty with no personal ambition, goes for the unstable and unpredictable archetype, relies of outspending and outdueling his opponents, and uses a predominantly light color scheme. I'd want him in Smash just to put him in a fight against Ganondorf, and he's definitely a character I'd consider maining. Still, there is another Zelda character I'd like just as much, if not more...
Tingle: 10%
Tingle is, bar Toon Zelda or Beast Ganon, the biggest name left by far in the Zelda franchise. He has pretty major roles in three Zelda titles (Four Swords Adventures, Majora's Mask, and Wind Waker), and he has cameos in a bunch of other titles (the statue in ST, the hookshot game manager in TP, and the doll in SS all come to mind). Heck, he even has his own small collection of games! Finally, Japan really likes him.
...while that may seem to put him leagues above Ghirahim, he does have some major weaknesses. He's not very well liked in America, and his appearances in the last couple of Zelda games have really leveled off. Additionally, he has his traditional Smash cameo roles to overcome; he's in danger of both Great Bay and an AT. I'd say Tingle has a pretty good shot despite these things, but they do prevent him from being anywhere near likely. Which is a shame...
Tingle Want: 100%
...because I'm a big Tingle fan. To quote andimidna,
Like most Zelda fans, I love Tingle.
...but in all seriousness, I never understood the hate. I played the Wind Waker and Majora's Mask before I knew how hated Tingle was, and the hate actually surprised me. I always thought he was a strange, endearing character that really felt symbolic of a large part of what Zelda does; it always has a strange element to it, if not in the main adventure. It's created a bunch of out-there characters, and I think Tingle is the cream of the crop.
DAY OVER
RETURN OF THAT ONE ZELDA CHARACTER THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT