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Rate their Chances: the DLC Edition. Day: 192: The final day

Smasher 101

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Inkling's chances: 50%

I still think they can easily go either way, honestly.

Want: 40%

Definitely think they should be in at some point, but nowadays I'm leaning towards this being a little too early.

Theater's chances: 1%

I don't see them adding a second Paper Mario stage, and there's already Mario stage DLC.

Want: 30%

Love the Paper Mario series but it's not quite the most interesting thing to me and I'm content with Mario stages for this game. Even if I were to add another one, there's other Mario places I'd rather take a stage from.

Sceptile prediction: 8.38%
Nester prediction: 1.02%

Knuckles x5
 

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Inkling's chances: 50%

Coin flip at best. That's all I have to say.

Want: 60%

They would be cool, but I'd rather have them as newcomers at this point. The Super Mario maker stage gives me hope, but them there's the fact that Mii Fighter outfits exists.

Theater's chances: 1%

7.8/10 Too much Mario stages. It won't be worth it unless we get Paper Mario himself.

Want: 30%

Would I ever love it, but only if we get Paper Mario with it. That would do the series some justice instead of shoving Sticker Star down our throats.

Sceptile prediction: 8%
Nester prediction: 0%

Anthony Higgs x5
 

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I have no idea about the Inklings, a lot of people are saying 50%. So, are they squids? Or are they kids?

50% chance it is!

As for the want? Well, I adamantly believe that Nintendo should save them for the next iteration of Smash and they are already represented. But at the same time, I love the female Inkling and even bought an Amiibo that I am not really using for Splatoon. At the same-same time, I have other characters; such as Young Link or Daisy, that I am more interested in.

50% want.
 
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So... with the recent news about Konami stopping all AAA games production except Pro Evolution Soccer, should Snake, Bomberman and Simon Belmont be rerated?
 

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Inklings
Chance: 65%
The costume doesn't outright cut them out, but it does hurt their chances. On the other hand, everyone loves Splatoon, even Japan, so Nintendo must know they could easily make plenty of cash by releasing them. They are also pretty high on the ballot, so that's something.

Want: 98%
They would fit perfectly, and they would be really unique characters. Playing as them would be fun, no doubt.

Paper Mario Stage:
Chance: 10%
Without a new Paper Mario game on the Wii U to promote, I don't see them making yet another Mario stage for DLC.

Want: 45%
I really like Paper Mario: TYD, and the music on it would undoubtedly be great. However, I don't think it would be all that interesting to play on, and I think DLC should go to another, less represented franchise.

Predictions:
Sceptile: 20%
Nester: 2%

Ultimate Ghost x5
 

colder_than_ice

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So... with the recent news about Konami stopping all AAA games production except Pro Evolution Soccer, should Snake, Bomberman and Simon Belmont be rerated?
We've already rated Snake three times and Simon and Bomberman are already rated low.

Inklings
Chance: 5% - The costumes feel like they exist as placeholders. I'd be surprised to see Inklings playable at this point.
Want: 90%

Paper Mario Stage
Chance: 0% (rounded down) - Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door already has stage representation in the form of the SS Flavio in the Paper Mario stage. I have extreme difficulty seeing Sakurai give a 11 year old game two stages when almost every stage in SSB4 has been either super relevant or old school retro.
Want: 100%

Nominations: No third party DLC character after Ryu x5

DAY OVER
PLEASE WAIT WHILE I CALCULATE THE RESULTS
 

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INKLINGS
CHANCE: 28.86%
WANT: 56.46%

PAPER MARIO THEATRE STAGE
CHANCE: 4.26%
WANT: 54.13%
There's now a tie for 10th in the top 10 chance chart, not sure what to make of that. Next up we're rating Sceptile and Nester. Also please predict what score Anthony Higgs and Knuckles will get tomorrow.
 
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Sceptile: Chance: 2%
I don't think we're getting anymore Pokemon DLC characters.
Want: 70%
Easily my favourite Starter of Gen 3.

Nester
Chance and Want:0%

Predictions:

Anthony:0%
Knuckles:0.25%

Nominate Wolf x5
 

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Sceptile

Chance: 1%
Want: 20%

Here's what apparently makes Sceptile different: a bandwagon. It's objectively no likelier than any supposed random stuff we've rated.

Pokemon has enough stuff.

Nester

Double Zeroes

The Nintendo Power guy...no.

Predictions:

Anthony: 2%
Knuckles: 2%
 
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Sceptile

Chance: 5%

Nothing of significance has changed since the last time we rated this Pokemon.

Want: Abstain

Nester

Chance: 0%

Not a video game character. Not eligible.

Want: 100%

Simply because I have fond memories of reading Nintendo Power. May it rest in peace.

Predictions:

Anthony Higgs - 0.3%

No, I don't remember him. :smirk:

Knuckles the Echidna in Knuckles and Knuckles & Knuckles - 9.1%

Unlike Sonic, he won't chuckle.

Nominatons: Zero (Mega Man) x10
 
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Sceptile

Chance - 4.75% - Just taking 5% off. I don't think anything has changed, really, exepct time running low and that I may have overrating him originally.

Want - 60% - While it may not matter decision wise, I still think it's a good idea to have the Stater Trio in. He could be cool, but to be honest there are plenty of characters I want more.


Nester

Chance - 0% - I consider him less connected to Video Games than ROB. Nope. Being American-only doesn't help things.

Want - 0% - This would be an extreme waste.


No predictions due to extra nominations.


Nominations

Henry Fleming X10
 

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Sceptile

Chance: 0%

Want: 1%

Nester

Chance: 0%

Want: 1%

Predictions: Anthony 0%

Predictions: Knuckles 2%

Nominations: John Raimi X5.
 

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Sceptile
Sceptile

Chance: 10%
Honestly, I don't think Sceptile has much going for him right now. He was definitely affected by the 'recent release' hype, so now that ORAS has been out a while, I think that quieted down. Also, he may not be super popular since we just got a Pokémon DLC, so another before we get anything else seems odd.
I think his biggest problem is that I don't see anything going for Sceptile himself, but just reasons why he should be in because XYZ is in. Most of the arguments are "Well, Charizard and Greninja are starters so we should have a grass starter to finish the trio" or "We need Sceptile since we don't have a Gen 3 rep." And these can both be addressed:
  • The type effectiveness mechanic was only in the Pokémon trainer from the last game, and that's gone now. We don't need a grass-type any more than we need another type - the damage from all types is the same.
  • But he's not the only starter there is, and certainly not the most notable. Not even from Gen 3 - so i herd u dont lyk mudkipz? And Blaziken's going strong as the first (of many) fire/fighting types, and is going to Pokken.
  • But wasn't Gen 3 the most hated at the time it came out? Sure, it's got the nostalgia goggles on, but that was the first generation that people had to discard all of their old mons and get new ones. Those were also the first games that you literally could not catch 'em all. A lot of people hated RS when it first came out, and that's only just gotten better
There's also the fact that, if we do get new Pokémon DLC, we've got three Pokémon veterans who were cut. Sakurai said (which to some people is word of God, others take it as something he'll change his mind on next week) that he didn't like to cut anyone, so Squirtle, Ivysaur, and possibly even Pichu are higher on the totem pole than Sceptile. Plus, 3rd gen really didn't have a mon they introduced the generation with, marketed beyond reason, and made a movie star. In Gen 4, it was Lucario. Gen 5 had Zoroark. I think that IF we get a Pokémon newcomer, Zoroark would be more likely than Sceptile considering how much that one was pushed. And if we need a Gen 3, Blaziken and especially Gardevoir are reaching memetic popularity...
Want: 0%
Sorry, I am one of those people who didn't like Gen 3. Gen 1 was great, and I LOVED Gen 2, then along comes this new generation to throw away all of my favorites, tell me they don't exist, give weird names to the berries so I can't tell what they do by name anymore ("PRZCUREBERRY" may be generic, but you know what it does at least), add brand new mechanics I wasn't expecting, not link a thing back to what I knew, and started the we-need-to-saturate-this-game-with-useless-legendaries trend. I actually never even got through RS since I was so salty about it. I loved Arcanine, and now he was gone forever (remember, the Gen 1 remakes came out 1.5-2 years after RS, so all that time we assumed that they were never going back to the original mons they dropped). And so many expies! Quick - name a second-stage evolution, fully evolved, purple, amorphous, poison-type who uses acid sludge to attack! Muk? No, it's Swalot! (And then that got it's own expy in Garbodor...must we rehash the same ones again and again?)
I do want more Pokémon - for a franchise with 721 or so mons, there can be a lot going for it. But I'd like veterans back first, because Squirtle was awesome beyond reason. Loved that little guy. I want him back, and I want him to get a taunt/win screen with the Squirtle Squad shades.
Sceptile is from a generation that almost turned me off of Pokémon. By Gen 4, I started to come back around, but I'm definitely colder to a lot of the newer mons unless they really impress me. Of course, I don't like all Gen 1 and 2s unconditionally, nor do I hate all Gen 3-6s unconditionally, I just think it takes a lot more to impress me now that I'm older than it did when I was in middle school. And sometimes, it needs to grow - I'm finally coming to like Lucario after he was shoved up our ***es for an entire generation. But the best starters for me will always be the first ones I started with: Charizard and Squirtle.​
Standing by this - 10/0

Nester: Double zeroes

Predict Higgs: 0.9%
Predict the Echidna: 8.9%

Nom: 3DS stage on WiiU x5
 

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Sceptile
Chance: 1%
I don't think we're getting more Pokemon.
Want: 0%
I don't want any more Pokemon!

Nester
Chance: 1%
I don't think he's well known in Japan.
Want: 1%
I was never too crazy about this guy.

Nominations:
Barbara ×5
 

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Sceptile: 5%

We've got six pokemon already, and Sceptile is not significant enough to get a spot.

Want: 0%

No Thanks.

Nester: 0%

Sigh, Even though he got himself a game, hes not eligible as he started as a comic character.

Want: 100%

Him using old school nintendo items like the Power glove to attack? oh hell yeah.

Predictions:

& KNUCKLES: 10%
 
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Sceptile
Chance: 4%
Want: 10%

Nester: Double Zeroes

Anthony Higgs: 1%
Knuckles: 2%

Nominations: Ice Climbers 5x
I know they've been rated several times already, but 21% is still way too high for a nearly impossible character.
 
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Sceptile and Nester:

Quadruple zeroes. I could go off on Sceptile, but I'd rather not upset anyone. Nester, I think, is out of the running since he was an unofficial, Western Nintendo magazine mascot. Yeah, I know, the Pilotwings thing; doesn't improve his odds.

Higgs and Knuckles: Both 1%

Nomination: Pikachu Libre representation ×5
 

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If I may...

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Rerate: Sceptile

Chance: 32.5% -> 32.5%
I've seen a growing cynical streak in here as of late. More and more of the regulars seem convinced there's hardly anything left as far as DLC goes. If you need further proof, the Inklings, bearers of one hell of a hype train back in April, are barely clinging to the tenth spot in the rankings right now!

I've also noticed a lot of misinformation surrounding tonight's topic...specifically, a lot of things that are assumed to be facts. We wouldn't get another Pokémon, right? We already got Mewtwo; they won't bring in another! Six is a perfect number for the series! Sceptile doesn't have any real supporters! It's all a combination of people bandwagoning from the Hoenn remakes and people who want a Grass type just to have a starter trio in Smash! There're three veteran Pokémon that'll get first dibs, anyway!

I've seen so many people assume so much of that is true, just because. But when you look into it a little...you might realize that all of those are questionable at best. So many of them are just thrown around out of fear that another character from a big franchise might indirectly rule out a different character the speaker is more invested in...an argument that is itself misguided.

Here's one of the major arguments I've seen: that Sakurai wouldn't bring in more than one DLC character per game series for the sake of diversifying the DLC. Here's what doesn't add up: why would his team see "over-representation" as a deal breaker now when they added two Mario characters to the base roster--bringing its total to either 7 or 9, depending on where you count Yoshi and Wario--and just recently added a fifth Fire Emblem character? And who says the only way you can achieve a diverse cast is by spreading out to as many franchises as possible, regardless of any other context? If a character brings a completely unique, highly inspired fighting style to the game, is that not diverse? Would they stop being diverse just because they were the second DLC character from their series? Last I checked, Bowser Jr. still stood out despite Rosalina & Luma already being in!

But what about Sceptile itself? What about the ORAS-fueled bandwagon? Actually...Sceptile's support base sprung up for some complicated reasons. Remember how Greninja was considered an afterthought all the way up until the Smash Direct reveal that snuck up on us like, well, a ninja? The reason Greninja was off people's radars was because no one realized character transformations were gone--and with them, Squirtle and Ivysaur--until the Smash Direct itself! Likewise, there was no significant support for any other Grass types until that point, because everyone assumed Ivysaur was a lock and that any other Grass type would feel redundant!

And then the catalyst hit: just a couple weeks later, Hoenn got confirmed. Suddenly, Generation 3 had a burst of relevance. You see, Sceptile has been a fan favorite Grass starter for a long time, as far back as its debut in 2002! This wasn't some mere reaction to new games being announced (though you could also accuse that of the support bases of Captain Toad, the Inklings, and recently, Chibi-Robo and Jibanyan), these were people who were already fans of the character who started to make their voices known now that they felt like Sceptile actually had a legitimate chance!

Although it later turned out that the base roster was decided long before ORAS started development...but the fact remains.

And for those who are more interested in the idea of getting a Grass type in...who says their support doesn't count? If you've noticed, we don't have anyone right now with plant-based powers. A character with those powers would be damn near inherently unique, and that's a really big deal! Especially for Sakurai and his team, something they've explicitly said! And since Sceptile is already one of the most popular Grass types, that's where more of that support ends up falling.

But wait! What about the veteran Pokémon, you might ask? Thing is...based on what I've seen over the past few months, Squirtle and Ivysaur were more expected than requested. While they have their fans, they...don't seem very significant in number any more. More of their support at first came from people who just kind of assumed they'd come back as DLC because they were Brawl veterans, and now that we've seen four characters already, now that Sakurai has said his piece on how DLC from here on out will be "primarily fan service", their support has really fallen away. What about Pichu, though? Pichu has his own issues...namely, low support and high divisiveness everywhere but Japan.

And it's not as if they only care about Japan. Not when Little Mac got into the base game despite being a favorite of the Western fanbase and an afterthought among the Japanese.

Here's the thing, though...Sceptile's chances depend heavily on how much secondary choices end up mattering. You see, something else I've noticed is that while Sceptile is rarely anyone's first choice, when you ask someone for their full DLC wishlists, Sceptile is surprisingly common! We even have proof from Source Gaming's latest polls: in the poll they ran and research they did that only asked for people's most wanted characters, Sceptile was a near-afterthought. But in a poll that asks how badly people would want each character? Sceptile ends up in a very noticeable position! And considering several of the characters ranked higher have glaring issues that could ruin their chances, it paints a very interesting picture.

If the Smash Ballot really does only take the fans' most wanted characters into account...Sceptile will probably be left in the dust. But if they're listening to secondary requests? If they have as much of an eye on the fanbase as these balance patches seem to imply they do? If they still care as much about characters with new, unique abilities as they did with the newcomers we've seen so far? Sceptile is a major sleeper.

Want: 90% -> 90%
Hello, spontaneous essay. My support is actually pretty similar to what I described up above: I always thought Sceptile was interesting, but never really thought Smash was an option up until a combination of transformations being removed and ORAS becoming a thing. It seems like I always end up falling in with the underdogs, with the people or teams or characters who get looked down on for reasons that are questionable at best.

The facts still remain, though: this is a really compelling character with a set of abilities completely unlike anything currently in Smash, and with so many options to build a moveset around that no two ideas I've seen have come close to feeling the same.

Or maybe I just want to be able to play as a 5 1/2 foot tall raptor-gecko with nature powers and bladed leaves growing out of its wrists and tail. I mean, come on, how cool is that?
 
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Sceptile

Chance: 20%
Primarily against the larger competitors more likely to be DLC eventually, one wouldn't think Sceptile gets that much of a chance. But like Delzethin mentioned, people who have their "five most wanted characters" for Smash Bros. do tend to include Sceptile on their list. It comes as a surprise even to me because I like many others also feel that he doesn't have a great let alone a decent chance. And there are some plausible arguments against his chance to be an inclusion as DLC, but there are also other arguments that really don't hold much merit to me. Sceptile from a perspective fogged or not acts as a puzzle piece that fills an arbitrary gap that people feel is missing with the Pokemon roster in Smash Bros. for 3DS & WiiU, but he's more than just a filler piece for this "Type Trio" puzzle picture. So even though he's not a prime selected choice, he's also not far gone from the realm of possibility that is playable DLC fighter for Smash Bros..

Want: 95%
Just so that I don't show the 100% in case people think I'm biased to the max. The idea of Sceptile becoming a playable character in Smash Bros. was something I thought about during Brawl's production. I didn't hop on this "ORAS Bandwagon" as I don't even own the games nor have I played them, but I want to.:shades: The main reasons I want Sceptile playable in Smash Bros. besides my great joy I have for this pokemon is because of the diverse game-play potential this character could have that players wouldn't think about. When thinking about Sceptile played in Smash Bros., I think of this agile bipedal character capable of being viable & fun to play with his kit & tools in battle, possessing a mechanic about the character that favors creativity & a neat way to play that no other character has right now. No character in this game plays with a move-set that mixes in a core mechanic that would revolve with his attacks, like for example, his grass type presents the idea that he can charge up a solar energy mechanic that strengthens the effect of some of his moves, & just a few of them would be team-heavy reliant on helping players explore more of the game. Maybe you play character right now that does decently well in Singles & want to play that character in Doubles with your friend / partner. Boom, Sceptile Seed Bomb thrown at allies becomes Seed Healer. Introducing these kind of moves that are well-rounded enough to bring fun playing the character in more than one game mode means all the more to help exploring more of the game they enjoy playing. And that's just the tip of the iceberg on how creative this character could be. The character having a large tail, blades on his forearms, a raptor-like stance, a Mega Evolution opportunity for the Final Smash, & being a pokemon that's grass type, you introduce more attributes into the game to make it feel new & fresh. We see so many slash & pierce effects, flame & battering punching effects, & rarely any Freezing or Flower effects. With Sceptile introduced, you not only bring more grass effects that can have a mixture of Slash or Piercing, but you also take into effect that he'd have a move dealing the Flower DoT effect with his own flair of healing while dealing damage for his solar mechanic.

Move-set threads that speculate & bring together users is neat, but adding on core game-play mechanics & quirks that trade-off for other strong & weak points balances out the character, which makes it more fun. This is why I want Sceptile, & I hope when Sceptile becomes playable DLC if he ever does, he has something interesting & uses out-of-the-ordinary moves that make Sceptile stand out being unique than the other pokemon so far.

Nester

Chance: 1%

Want: 1%
 

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Nester chances (and want):

(Double zeroes)
No. Just no. Making a proper appearance on a Virtual Boy game doesn't make him more likely. Besides, being European, I have no connection with Nintendo Power, so no.

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Sceptile chances: 0.75%
Okay I admit I was too harsh with my previous downright negligible chances score, so I increased it. Sceptile could possibly get in if Sakurai judges right to have a starter of each different type or have a representative for generation III, but I highly doubt it. Keep in mind that Greninja being a Water type coexisting with Charizard is most likely a coincidence and nothing more, and the ORAS hype is starting to go down with Pokémon Z (or whatever the sequel(s) of X and Y is/are called) being teased recently. Ability-wise Sceptile fortunately doesn't overlap too much with the other Pokémon we currently have, but characters aren't chosen just because they're "unique" (emphasis on the "just because"). And besides, Sceptile is not exactly a timeless icon of the Pokémon franchise as a whole, which is a big hurdle (if any gen III fully evolved starter is a timeless Pokémon icon it's Blaziken, but I doubt it has much of a shot anyway).

Sceptile want:

Yeah why not use this pic again while we're at it?
Don't worry, I'll release much less vitriol here than when we first rated Sceptile.

I first heard of Sceptile as a Smash suggestion soon after the April direct while lurking on Gamefaqs, and at first I honestly thought it was a joke or meme request, until I realized it was serious (and obviously bandwagon), with things becoming worse with the confirmation later of ORAS and then Mega Sceptile. As such Sceptile quicky became one of these character suggestions I couldn't stand until a few months ago, but as of late all the Sceptile talk became much more quieter so it is no longer among the common requests that make me cringe (my disdain for Sceptile as a Smash request pretty much fully went towards indies bandwagoned after the ballot). Anyway, I'm of the opinion that we don't need any Pokémon newcomer; copy-paste from what I've written in one of my previous Pokémon rating (Gengar to be precise):
Playable Pokémon in Smash Bros. can't be just picked willy-nilly; there's a sheer amount of popular and varied characters to choose from, probably more than any other Nintendo series, and you can't just select anyone because it inevitably ends up to add too little value to the roster at some point.
Not to mention we have a dedicated Pokémon fighting game for Pete's sake, sure being able to fight Mario and Link and Sonic and other all-stars is an honor compared to only fighting other Pokémon but still. I think we've reached the limit of playable Pokémon we need in Smash (I'd accept Squirtle and Ivysaur back, or maybe other stages of their respective evolutionary lines, but everyone else is iffy at best), and to be honest I was very confused when Greninja was revealed, because why choose specifically Greninja of all Pokémon? Until it was revealed that it was chosen for the sake of having a gen VI Pokémon... yeah. I understand the appeal of having a fully evolved starter of each type, but think about why each character would have been added in the first place:

Charizard: legacy of Brawl's Pokémon trainer, and inarguably one of the most iconic Pokémon of all times;
Greninja: give playable representation to generation VI;
Sceptile: complete the starter trio... even though the former two were added for completely different reasons >_>

Not to mention the fact they're from different regions makes the starter trio appeal pretty much moot imo.
So yeah, Sceptile may no longer be in my blacklist of characters I'm sick of, but that doesn't mean my want for the character increased a bit. And by the way, for anyone wondering, I've never hated Sceptile as a Pokémon (I have fond memories using it in Ruby and it was my first Pokémon to ever reach level 100), I just never thought it made sense as a Smash fighter.

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Anthony Higgs prediction: 1.31%
Come from the least popular Metroid game by a good margin.

Knuckles prediction: 4.68%
The idea of getting more Sonic characters isn't all that popular.

Nominating:
(Rerate) Playable newcomer: Rayman x4
Concept: ballot runner-ups as SMM costumes x1

colder_than_ice colder_than_ice I'll make a top 11 of chances later today. We will go back to a top 10 whenever the tie between number 10 and 11 breaks.
 
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Sceptile:
Chance: 2%
Want: 50%
Sceptile could be a great fighter, but we've probably too many Pokemon now.

Nester:
Double zeroes
?

Predictions:
Anthony 0%
Knuckles 2%

Nominations: New story mode x 5
 

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Sceptile: 10%

I'll just throw in this piece of art again.

This is pretty high for a Pokémon, fyi.

ORAS has been released and guess what?
Blaziken and Swampert are still better choices if we're not ruling them out due to "muh alriddy have startuhs"
Oh, and ORAS hype died.

Even more Rants edit:
Blaziken is way more popular and, if you wanna play the Mega Evolution card, had a ME before Sceptile and basically everybody.

Torchic was also a special event thingy, not whatever the first evo is from Sceptile.

Admit it, Sceptile's support only started going because of the FWG circle, if Chestnaught would be in instead of Greno, we would've been rallying for Swampert.

He's not even the most popular grass starter, just the most fighter-like from the options. (Read as: Having less than three legs)


HE HAS COMPETITION IN HIS OWN LEAGUE (G3 STARTERS AND GRASS STARTER)

Yes, he has moveset potential, but the fact that three people made different movesets for Pidgey (in my thread hahaha look it up) makes the argument pretty moot.

Sceptile would probably be another fast, bipedal lightweight. Thinking in archetypes, anti-air Ivysaur was more unique.

More burns cuz you weak to that.
Greninja has the ninja thing, Sceptile has buncha grass things thrown together in a fast and bipedal lightning bruiser.

Unique? I think not.

ALL POKEMON HAVE MOVESET POTENTIAL, NOT JUST SCEPTILE
WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER POKÉMON, SCEPTILE ACTUALLY HAS A VERY BLAND DESIGN AND NO CLEAR ARCHETYPE TO LEAN ON ASIDE FROM HIS "ROOTS OH BOY THERES DE PUN" LIKE GRENINJA HAS AS NINJA.


I give that he is a grass starter that's popular, but to call that a enormous feat or to call him a shoo-in because of that...

Hey look even more:
He's only a shoe-in starter if we only count Grass-starters, only take their fully evolved versions and pick the ones that are "obvious" picks.

THE QUOTUM OF "BEING A POPULAR FULLY EVOLVED GRASS STARTER" ISN'T A BOON FOR HIS INCLUSION AND HONESTLY A BIT :083:

Isaac, Daisy, Ivysaur and every other Grass Poké can also cover the plants/flower thing pretty well and Sceptile's main schtick is making blades from sharp leaves.

Honestly, I don't think that's very unique, at least Greninja had the whole ninja-thing for him.

SCEPTILE HAS NO MONOPOLY ON PLANTS AND ACTUALLY IS PRETTY BAD AT IT.

Sceptile is super important cuz he has Mega Evolution, but the fact is Pidgeot has one too.
Pretty every Gen 1 Pokémon has a Mega Evolution, it's not exactly a feat.

YOU GET A MEGA EVOLUTION AND YOU AND YOU AND EVERYBODY HAS A MEGA EVOLUTION.

Sceptile is probably one of the most requested Pokémon, but Sakurai doesn't think in reps.
He wants to please the fans with characters and not with a mildly requested one because he needed another Pokémon.
Right back at ya

BEING THE MOST REQUESTED POKE DOESN'T HELP MUCH WHEN THE REQUEST ITSELF IS ONLY MILD.

I do give that reps do not matter and that Sceptile isn't impossible because of Mewtwo.
Each there own merits, but I question Sceptile's

You could say this rating was pretty Sceptic.

Want:
0%
Putting in Sceptile still feels like shoehorning a grass starter into the game for the sake of a grass starter in the game.

Won de Round Rediction: 21%

Magolor x5

PIDGEY OUT :016:

NESTER GETS DOUBLE ZEROES FOR NOT APPEARING IN JAPAN OR EUROPE.
 

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Sceptile Chance: 10%

I could see Sceptile included in one out of ten DLC drafts. He would make a lot of sense as another Pokemon representative. I do not need to explain what has already been explained time and time again. The grass, and the starter status, and the evolutionary forms, blah blah blah.

Sceptile Want: 10%

He is okay, not my first (or second) choice as far as Pokemon characters go; however, he would sort of fill up the whole that Pokemon Trainer left behind.
 

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Sceptile
Chances: 10%
Sceptile while being the most requested Pokemon newcomer isn't likely at all imo, it's got huge hurdles to overcome, like the Pokemon vets and other potential newcomers, Gen 3/5 Mythical's being a massive competition to the gen 3/5 starters, that it's pretty likely no series will get 2 new reps for dlc, and that Grovyle, it's pre-evolution is probably more likely due to it's important roles in the mystery dungeon games. The only real things it has going for it are popularity, the chance to rep gen 3, and that Pokemon really isn't overrepped yet.
Want: 0%
Meh, I'd much rather get Jirachi, Ampharos, Pichu, or Delphox if we're getting a Pokemon rep.

Nester
Ok, how come this gets through the system but my Goku noms didn't? Neither of these guys originated from a video game, so I don't see how this is fair game and the other is not? Would anyone care to explain that, I don't think I understand?
Regardless...
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Knuckles: 3%
 
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Sceptile
Chance:
1%

Is mostly demanded to complete the trio and because of ORAS. Other than that, it isn't really requested, even losing to Pichu in Japan.
Want: 0%
Not interested.

Nester
Chance and Want:
Double Zeroes

Only got one game on the Virtual Boy and that's it.
I don't have a real connection with Nester. I love Nintendo Power, but I got issues when Nester was long gone and just got a new comic during their anniversary issue.

Anthony Higgs Prediction: .87%
I don't want to remember him.
Knuckles Prediction: 3.33%
Looks like my boy Knuckles is entering the ring tomorrow.

Using my extra nominations.
Nominations: Crono 10x
I'll nominate him until something of interest pops up.
 

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SCEPTILE
Chance: 5% -- With ORAS still the current game to play, his relevance is still strong. He's been in the anime, and there is a confirmed Mega Evolution appearance of him coming up in the next movie. If he doesn't get into Smash, then hopefully we'll see him in the next best thing, Pokken Tournament.
Want: 100% -- Absolutely. Sceptile is my first (As a Treecko) and favorite Pokemon of all time. He's fast and powerful, and would made for a nice spiritual successor to Ivysaur, just like how Greninja is to Squirtle. Also, we need to complete that starter trio!

NESTER
Chance: 0% -- I give Assist Trophies and Stage Hazards a higher percent than him. He's not coming.
Want 0% -- Lol. No.

PREDICTIONS
Anthony Higgs: 1%
Knuckles: 5%

NOMINATIONS
Concept: 2nd Representative for Namco/Sega - 5x
 

Lord-Zero

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Sceptile

Chance: 2.5%
Want: 0%

- Raichu or nothing at all.

Nester

Chance & Want: 0%

Predictions


Anthony Higgs: 0.04%
Knuckles: 1.8%

Nominations

Eliwood x3
Oliver (Fire Emblem) x2
 

Laniv

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Sceptile:

Chance: 6%
What always struck me as odd was the fact that people started jumping on the bandwagon of "Well, if Charizard and Greninja are in, a grass starter is guaranteed!" right after the April Direct.

Want: 2%
I really never cared for Sceptile:


Nester:

Chance: 0%
Not in this life.

Want: 30%
...Well, I'd prefer him over Captain N, at least.


Predictions for Anthony Higgs: 14% Chance, 68% Want
Predictions for Knuckles: 47% Chance, 75% Want

Nominate Savvy Stylist x 5
 

MacDaddyNook

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Sceptile's Chance: 3%
Sceptile's demand is lukewarm at best when it has to compete against hundreds of equally important characters from its own series alone. While another Pokemon character isn't out of the picture, I have a feeling Sakurai will go elsewhere.

Sceptile's Want: 0%
6 Pokemon is enough.

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Nester's Chance: 0%
An obscure character from the earliest Nintendo Power magazines wont get in.

Nester's Want: 0%
With only a bowling game under his belt, I can't see anything all to special about him. If we want a sports-related fighter, I think it'd work best as a new Mii Type.
 

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Sceptile

Chance: 20%

He does have the requests and that uniqueness going for him since a certain Grass Type is no longer in Smash. But the real question remains: Should Pokemon necessarily deserve another character? Yes, Pokemon is one of Nintendo's biggest money makes and there are many potential fighters that can come out of the franchise. Then there's the fact that people might consider him "Flavor of the Month" only because many feels that Gen 3 serve more love in Smash. But it more or less depends if Sakurai feels like having another Pokemon character.

Want: 15%

Sceptile is cool and all, but I'm more of a Blaziken fan. And if we are talking about Grass Types, my boy Chestnaught and Ivy are the only ones that I can accept. Though I wouldn't be too upset if he were to be chosen.

Nester


Chance and Want:



What you see here is a band called Twin Zero and they are pretty good (plus relevant to my ratings).

For starters, Nintendo Power is long gone and Nester is extremely unlikely at this point. Unlike Little Mac, he's an American character who is exclusive only to a long running series of American comics and one Virtual Boy game. Adding him in a game that appeals to a Japanese audience would be the equivalent of putting Sally Acorn in an international Sonic the Hedgehog game. So not only is the idea of him being playable in Smash ludicrous, but I never liked this guy's look since I've known him.

Want Nester in Smash? Support an actual video game character based on him instead for which he needs more love. Not only it looks exactly like him, but it also represents a series that has some content in Smash (Pilotwings). A great way of killing two birds with one stone instead of shoving a Western comic book character in a game for Nintendo All Stars.





Anthony prediction: 1%
I can tell that guys with no style will say double zeroes because he's from a game as bad as Federation Force.

Knuckles the Knuckles prediction: 6%
Oh no.

Lark (Pilotwings) x5
 

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Sceptile

Chance: 38%

To add in on the points Delzethin and Masonomace have already added I feel like Sceptile has a decent chance at making it for DLC, as much as the "there are already to many Pokemon" people hate to admit it. He actually is the most popular grass starter, so I don't know why people are saying otherwise, despite there not being much proof. Here on google trends, you can see Sceptile is slightly more featured than the other ones, Serperior is left out but isn't as popular you can check if you like. Reddit also did a poll recently and Sceptile was the most popular grass starter, and I believe 6th or 7th overall. He is also being featured in the anime currently by one of Ash's rivals, so he is still being kept in the spotlight. There are a lot of pokemon fans out there, and the ones who pick grass starters are usually much more loyal seeing as we are clearly the minority so it's not strange to see a "bandwagon" as some people have been saying.

Want: 100%

Yupp I went there, the only other DLC character I want to see is Banjo Kazooie. I'll be happy for the fans of other characters that make it in, but chances are I'll never actually try them. I already got Roy and Mewtwo so I'm content, Sceptile would just be the cherry on top for me.

I don't even know who Nester is, so I won't vote to not skew his numbers for those who are fans of him.


 

Mario123311

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Nester
Chance: 0%
Want: 67%
I'd be okay with it, I mean he is a Nintendo mascot. Plus Nintendo Power was awesome... May it rest in peace. :(
*Nomonates Giana again x5*
 
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Sceptile

Chance: 10%

The most popular Pokemon newcomer on the Smash Ballot scene, Sceptile gained large Smash Bros attention Greninja's reveal, with many wanting Sceptile since it would complete the Fire/Water/Grass final evolution trio with Charizard and Greninja, and Sceptile would represent a generation of Pokemon that still didn't have its character roster representation at the time. When OR/AS and the reveal of his Mega Evolution came around, he became even more demanded to the point he still remains one of the most requested Pokemon for Smash Bros. Aside from that, Sceptile also has the uniqueness factor going for it, considering that we do not have any fighters on the current roster at the moment that are grass-type attackers (not to mention Sceptile is a popular Pokemon from its franchise and has that starter status going for it).

Outside of that, I don't think his chances are the best right now. Yes, Sceptile does have the entire "generation 3 is yet to represented" appeal going for it, but when it comes to a generation III rep, I don't think it has the best. Out of the three Hoenn starters, Blaziken is the most popular and iconic of the bunch, and even Swampert is either just as or more popular as Sceptile is. When it comes to picking one starter from a generation to represent Smash, usually the most iconic and popular of the bunch is picked (I say usually because Greninja is an exception, although he is already standing out as the most popular iconic of the Gen 6 starters). That in mind, I'm pretty sure Blaziken would be the more likely candidate.

Of course, there's also the argument we already have a Fire type and Water type on the roster and, Lucario already fills a similar niche Blaziken would do on the roster. That in mind, it's understandable why Sceptile is the more likely pick of the three, but Sakurai has never stated that only one Pokemon type will be represented.

In addition, Sceptile also has to compete with the Pokemon veterans: Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Pichu. All three are more likely to return due to their veteran status, and they are arguably have more demand depending on which of the three you are looking at (e.g. Pichu being the more popular pick in Japan compared to Sceptile). Even Grovyle serves as its competition. Grovyle is arguably just as recognizable as Sceptile thanks to its role in the Mystery Dungeon games and the fact it appeared more often throughout the anime compared to Sceptile (at least from experience watching the AG anime).

Luckily, Sceptile does have the major role coming up in the upcoming XYZ arc, so its possible that this anime arc could somehow give it more attention to the point it could be considered. However, we can't entirely ascertain whether or not Sakurai is interested in including another Pokemon to the roster (and this fact is what hurts most Pokemon's chances of inclusion into the Smash 4 roster at the moment), and even I don't feel confident that Sceptile will be that likely of a pick.

Want: 1%

The only reason why this want rating isn't at 0% is because I can see the unique potential Sceptile would bring to the table with its Grass-type moves and interesting style of attacking. Outside of that, it's not a Pokemon I am really interesting in seeing join the Smash Bros lineup. Heck, I've never been a Sceptile fan. Out of all the Hoenn starters, Swampert is my favorite of the bunch, and it wasn even my favorite Pokemon when the franchise was at its third generation. In fact, Swampert was around the top of my wishlist in the days leading to Brawl, and to this day, I would still prefer seeing Swampert over all of the other Hoenn starters in Smash Bros. I would also be more interested in seeing Pokemon like Absol, Grovyle (I mainly like Grovyle more compared to Sceptile since it was my favorite character from the PMD games and I remembered it more in the anime compared to Sceptile), and Gallade join Smash Bros compared to Hoenn's final evolution grass starter.

Nester

Chance and Want:



Regarding Chance:

Nester originated from an American published Nintendo fan magazine. Right there, this is what destroys his chances. He didn't originate from a video game at all, and since he was a character that was particularly known only to the American audience, his inclusion would have most of the international audience scratching their heads if he was included in Smash. Combine that with the fact he has practically zero ballot support and the Nintendo Power magazines have been no longer in production for quite some time and once can understand why his chances aren't looking at all.

Regarding Want:

No thanks. Nintendo Power may have been a defining part of my childhood, but the truth is, I didn't start reading Nintendo Power until the time when the Nester comics stopped appearing. Thus, I have no attachment to Nester, and he doesn't even look like a character I'd be interested in.

Predictions:

Anthony Higgs (Metroid): 1.07%
Knuckles (Sonic): 2.51%

Nominations:

(Concept) BlazBlue Representation: x5
 
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Scamper52596

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Sceptile
Chance: 4.5%
With so few slots left for DLC characters, I don't believe we're going to get more than one DLC character per franchise. And it's not because I think the team is worried about 'over representation' or anything. In my mind, it's more of a business decision. If you're at all curious about what I mean, just go back to day 111 where we rated the chances of getting a secondary DLC character for a single franchise to see my extensive thoughts on the subject. In any case, I feel that the developers probably think Mewtwo is enough, and they're likely to consider separate franchises for DLC. Although, if we were to get more than one DLC character for a franchise, I feel that Pokemon in particular is definitely a franchise that would get a secondary DLC character. With plenty of veterans to pick from along with popular newcomers such as Sceptile, Pokemon still has more to offer in terns of character representation. I'll give the grass starter Pokemon 4.5%, which is a 2.5% drop from my original rating.
Anything could happen...

Want: 2.7%
I can't say I'm all that interested in this Pokemon.


Nester
Chance: 0.1%
I'm pretty characters have to originate from a video game in order to get considered for a Smash roster. I'll give the old Nintendo Power mascot a score of 0.1%.
I guess "anything could happen" can apply here, but that doesn't mean anything should happen...

Want: 0.4%
I mean, I want recognizable characters from my Nintendo games...
 
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