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Rate a Marth! I'm just looking for some... tippers?

0rion

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Those videos are cool by the way.

Here's some advice, since Marth's main asset is the "tip" of his blade, try to play keep away with your opponents. If your opponent is all up in ya face well then try some wicked grab combos.

You have to pick your poison son.
 

Gian

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Lol nice recovery :chuckle: >>>2:43 (vs Sheik to "Nothing But A Good Time" by Poison)
Lol ur not link/samus u cant hang with ur chain :D:p >>> 2:54 (vs Sheik to "Nothing But A Good Time" by Poison)
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ok now, my advice:
i think u spamm alot Fsmash, u could try to do more SHFFL fairs and double fairs, also more grabing and spacing ,,, oh and i noticed u dont cancel all ur attks.

Edit:
P.S: I love that song "Cuz every time we touch i get this feeling and every time we kiss i swear i can fly...." xD
 

DuKe™

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WAY TO MUCH F-SMASH dont try to f smash sheik at low damge i would understand if you saw an oppurtunity for a nice tip or something but dont just wavedash up to them and f smash plus your approach is kind of weak no offense, fair can be a good approach but not one long one and then trying to f smash dash dance a little wait for them to come to you and space your self and grab them, then do whatever up tthrow up tilt u air i like to do that alot, basically just play marth faster have a little more mindgames wavedash back and forth to space yourself more tilts aerials and grabs and less f smashes your combo at 16 seconds in the Cascada video was nice i love that kind of ****
 

Razgriz

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Too much Fsmash. You suffer from Marthitis my friend, the compulsive spamming of the Fsmash. Not good. You should replace them with grabs. Grab more often, up throw and combo that *****. To edgeguard a Sheik, grab the edge, wait for the explosion part of Sheik's up-B, press up on the stick to get up (don't roll or jump) and punish her recovery with a dolphin slash at higher percentage, and a grab or one of those Fsmashes you love so much at lower damage. Other than that I like your style.
 

Scar

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To edgeguard a Sheik, grab the edge, wait for the explosion part of Sheik's up-B, press up on the stick to get up (don't roll or jump) and punish her recovery with a dolphin slash at higher percentage, and a grab or one of those Fsmashes you love so much at lower damage.
I'll work on the Marthitis, and thanks, I sort of really hate Sheik's recovery and edgeguarding it. I'll give this strategy a try.

you have mastered every aspect of marth you should win every match ever
hahahahahahahah
 

UMBC Super Smasher

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My advise:

- Careful with overuse of the fsmash. There are times you could have wavedashed out of shield and grabbed sheik instead of fsmashing.

- Do more jump cancelled grabs. You can accomplish jump cancelling by pressing jump with X or smashing the control stick up right before you press Z. If you're near the edge, throw sheik off the edge and keep her off the stage.

- Always grab the ledge if sheik is off and make her do the up B onto the stage. Play the Keep-Sheik-Off-The-Stage game. If she's in range, you can short hop from the ledge onto the stage with a nair attack to keep sheik off.

- grab to uthrow to utilt and if she gets high enough, do a series of uair tippers and juggle her to the ceiling. You can get vertical kills on sheik! :D At the least, keep her in the air and rack up some damage.

Your marth isn't bad - you have good spacing for fsmashes - just watch vids of other marths on youtube and pick up on all of marth's options!
 

julealgon

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- ... There are times you could have wavedashed out of shield and grabbed sheik instead of fsmashing.
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- Do more jump cancelled grabs.
Could you elaborate a little more on this UMBC Super Smasher? What would be the difference from one to the other here? When do you use one over the other? From what I could see, both perform almost the same, so I'm kind of confused when to use a JC running grab or a wavedash grab (I never use the later myself...).
 

Scar

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Cactuar's advice to me: hahahahahahahahaha *FSMASH* "I'm so bad at this game!"

Yeah cactuspants is hot and amazing until you get bro-***** by him.

p.s. Me and a bunch of bros are having STD (Smash Til Dawn, we're really witty) on Monday night.

u sh00d *** ovr ;)
 

Scar

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Could you elaborate a little more on this UMBC Super Smasher? What would be the difference from one to the other here? When do you use one over the other? From what I could see, both perform almost the same, so I'm kind of confused when to use a JC running grab or a wavedash grab (I never use the later myself...).
You can't JC a grab directly out of shield. Jumping cancels the sheild animation so if you're out of grab range and in sheild, the only way to punish is to do an aerial or a wavedash into a grab.

IMO wavedash grab while running is a little silly. Unless you're flashy and cool like that.

So to answer your question, when you're sheilding and want to grab, WD grab. If there's no sheild involved, JC.
 

Kragen

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- It's pretty ok to spam the fsmash in a way, but not in your way. You should only use it when you caused her to be in tipper-range, or when she missed an attack/L cancel. Don't do it when she's just jumping around.

- Only uthrow at low %, to get some damage. After that, use f- and bthrow for throwing her in tipper-range, or dthrow when your back is on the edge (you'll throw her farther away)

- WD out of shield is useful, so you won't have to roll any more.

- You edgeguard was pretty nice, letting her almost-edgegrab, and then edgehogging her. That was good. You should move around more, though.

- Watch vids. I recommend EK vs Capt Jack.
 

Razgriz

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- Always grab the ledge if sheik is off and make her do the up B onto the stage. Play the Keep-Sheik-Off-The-Stage game. If she's in range, you can short hop from the ledge onto the stage with a nair attack to keep sheik off.
Just beware of Sheik's crouch cancel. Sheik's CC to dtilt to FAir is Sheik's ***** in all of Marth's orifaces. It's not pretty.

Cactuar's advice to me: hahahahahahahahaha *FSMASH* "I'm so bad at this game!"

Yeah cactuspants is hot and amazing until you get bro-***** by him.

p.s. Me and a bunch of bros are having STD (Smash Til Dawn, we're really witty) on Monday night.

u sh00d *** ovr ;)
Ummmm..... Gross? (haha... STD... I'm using that.)

- Watch vids. I recommend EK vs Capt Jack.
Just remember that EK & Capt Jack play the European version of the game, so they do some stuff that we can't, and we can do some stuff they can't. Don't get confused.
 

Kragen

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Ehm, what's the stuff we can do, and you can't? XD

In the Sheik-Marth match up, it doesn't really matter, becuase you won't see ken combos that often. Those vids are the proof that the keep-sheik-off-stage strat works (dunno if he won, though, they're still nice)
 

UMBC Super Smasher

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Could you elaborate a little more on this UMBC Super Smasher? What would be the difference from one to the other here? When do you use one over the other? From what I could see, both perform almost the same, so I'm kind of confused when to use a JC running grab or a wavedash grab (I never use the later myself...).
A JC grab is performed while running in order to shorten the lag time to the grab animation in case you miss the grab. The only time you will want to grab after wavedashing is if the opponent does a laggy attack on you while you're in shield; wavedash out of shield then press Z to grab. Every other time you want to use a JC grab.

Edit: Cactuar, the fact that Trucido made this thread probably means your help is not sufficient for him. Just because you're a good player does not make you a good teacher or mentor. The best you can do is play Trucido a lot and hope he stops getting owned. :p
 

sephirothken

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here is where you stand


OMG just quit---noob-(you are here)--Hasu---Expert---Pro---Gosu---Ken



you are really slow, you need to improve on your mind games. you dash dance for no reason and it hurts my eyes just watching you move around like that. Most of the time you just stand there and uhhh look stuplified and you Don't do ken combo's.

sorry for the harsh critique :)
 

Scar

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lol That's fine, Ken. I save the Ken combo for when I'll definitely get it.

And I only stand there and look stupified some of the time.
 

Scar

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off topic? wait what was the topic again?

no no, i think this thread is about wavedash grabs or something.
 

Miggz

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Ok Scar, I've watched your first match. I think you already know you have to use f smash much less. lol So I won't touch up on that. Three big things stood out to me that I feel you need to work on. Spacing, speed, and edge guarding.

Remember, the goal of Marth is to hit your foes with the tip. Out of curiosity are you using forward on the analog stick + A button for fairs? If you are then stop. You should simply jump, start holding back on the analog stick (to prevent Marth from moving forward) and then flick the C stick forward to do your fair. You'll land tippers far more consistent doing it this way. Another thing was your dash canceled down tilts. Just practice hitting the tip with those as well. A tipper from one of these at low percents will stun your opponent and allow you enough time to dash in with a JC grab.

Next was your movement. Your Marth was lacking in the speed department. Like Falcon, Marth can dash away immediately after SHFFL aerials. So get into the habit of dashing away after all your SHFFL aerials that either miss or hit a shield. For even more speed, get into the habit of wavedashing on the edge for the edge guard. lol Your dash dancing can also use some work. A cool trick I like to do with Marth is dash dance and then approach with my shield up. This sometimes makes your foe "flinch" which allows me to get in a free grab.

Finally was your edge guarding. There is an ideal spot you want to be standing when edge guarding with Marth. You want to be close enough to the edge so that when you do a down tilt the very tip of Marth's blade goes slightly off the edge level. This spot is perfect because if your foe managed to evade your down tilt, all Marth has to do is simply stand up and he's in perfect spacing for stationary SHFFL fairs and nairs. So if you your opponent simply stands up on the edge, they are going to get whacked by a nice forward smash, or tipper fair/nair. If they roll behind you, just turn around and grab them. So do keep that distance from the edge in mind...its extremely helpful when edge guarding. Oh and don't be afraid to run off the level and fair your opponent to steal their jump and what not. OR, you could run of the level, follow them and instead of attacking, just reverse Up B back. This may make you foe fall down a little too low and use their recovery a little later.



I hope I helped dude. It was an honor giving you tips.

Do keep us posted on your Marth progress. XD
 

Scar

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GODDAMMIT MIGGS this thread is from march 07

my marth is godly now (lol no it's just about as bad as 2 years ago except faster) and edit i just realized this was from the month that i still went by trucido
 

Heart Break Kid

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Omg lol. I cnt believe Ken tried to beast so hard with his post lmao. The post is hilarious though. Scars fox is much better than his Marth though. Pretty darn technichal
 

Miggz

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GODDAMMIT MIGGS this thread is from march 07

my marth is godly now (lol no it's just about as bad as 2 years ago except faster) and edit i just realized this was from the month that i still went by trucido
Yeah what does trucido mean anyway? Sounds cool.

Although Scar is better name though. :chuckle:
 
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